President Donald J. Trump

[PB the Deplorable]

And imagine the shitstorm if Obama had said anything about the Trump circus and its overseas connections  before the election.. Of course Trump supporters wouldn't have cried foul, much.  :

Oh Yes, Obama was very concerned about Republicans, Republican voters, and what they might say.  For eight years he tip-toed around them and made concessions every step of the way.

[Yorkshire pud]

All after the electon was over.  Please pay attention to timing - political hacks like Obama do certain things when it no longer matters for the very reason that they can point to them and dispute the truth. 

And PS, the media does this as well, they'll bury a story where it has the least impact, but later they can point back to it and say they put it out there.

Flynn published his own pieces in 'The Hill' about Turkey. Manafort was being investigated for his business on behalf of a foreign government. The circus has now pretty much admitted to the shit they denied doing when asked about it earlier this year...Remember that? They've gone from 'I/we didn't do blah blahh blahh' to ' Well, yeah, but it isn't a crime' to 'We're new to this, how were we to know it was illegal?'..I wonder when we'll get 'Please go easy on me, I'm an anal virgin' 

[Yorkshire pud]

Oh Yes, Obama was very concerned about Republicans, Republican voters, and what they might say.  For eight years he tip-toed around them and made concessions every step of the way.

The Rep house? Yeah, they had seven of those eight years to get a health care plan in place to go...

[SredniVashtar]

All after the electon was over.  Please pay attention to timing - political hacks like Obama do certain things when it no longer matters for the very reason that they can point to them and dispute the truth. 

I don't see the thinking here. The election interference wasn't likely to benefit his own side, so it looks like he stayed out of it while knowing inaction might be beneficial to the opposition. It seems to me that he had no good options and took the least worst available.

[GravitySucks]

Flynn published his own pieces in 'The Hill' about Turkey. Manafort was being investigated for his business on behalf of a foreign government. The circus has now pretty much admitted to the shit they denied doing when asked about it earlier this year...Remember that? They've gone from 'I/we didn't do blah blahh blahh' to ' Well, yeah, but it isn't a crime' to 'We're new to this, how were we to know it was illegal?'..I wonder when we'll get 'Please go easy on me, I'm an anal virgin' 

So.  Where is the collusion with Russia to steal the election?  This is all tangential. 

The only evidence I have seen about collusion was the democrats, the UK and Steele to create a false dossier.

[PB the Deplorable]

I don't see the thinking here. The election interference wasn't likely to benefit his own side, so it looks like he stayed out of it while knowing inaction might be beneficial to the opposition. It seems to me that he had no good options and took the least worst available.

Tell it to Pud, he's the one that thinks Obama did his job and stood up to Putin

[crescent fresh]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sG33DxHuCdY

[Yorkshire pud]

So.  Where is the collusion with Russia to steal the election?  This is all tangential. 

The only evidence I have seen about collusion was the democrats, the UK and Steele to create a false dossier.

The several times that Trump appealed in his rallies to Russia, endorsed wikileaks (which is Kremlin run), the admissions from Russian sources that they were involved in undermining the elections (As they tried with France later, and the UK has evidence for the same efforts).

The Face book Russian troll ad buying fiasco, the fact that not once has Trump criticised Putin when all the security services (Including Dutch and UK) have forwarded evidence of Russian interference. Why hasn't he? He's keen to slag off NATO allies, he's keen to post puerile tweets, he's keen to throw out idiotic statements, but not keen to admonish Putin. He even suggested it was a 400 pound guy in his basement...Riiight.

Chris Steele is a respected operative, at least that is what the CIA said publicly. That is why they took notice of the dossier he forwarded them. His boss gave a nine hour testimony, and said he has no problem if its made public. So presumably he can stand by it and has nothing to hide.

[GravitySucks]

Tell it to Pud, he's the one that thinks Obama did his job and stood up to Putin

As he watched the Clintons rake in 10's of millions of dollars in exchange for uranium mining and $28 million from Morocco to try and put their US competition out of the phosphate business. Won't even bring up the fake Indian HIV drugs that were outlawed in the US but the Clinton foundation peddled in Africa.

[Yorkshire pud]

Tell it to Pud, he's the one that thinks Obama did his job and stood up to Putin

What else would you have done?

[GravitySucks]

The several times that Trump appealed in his rallies to Russia, endorsed wikileaks (which is Kremlin run), the admissions from Russian sources that they were involved in undermining the elections (As they tried with France later, and the UK has evidence for the same efforts).

The Face book Russian troll ad buying fiasco, the fact that not once has Trump criticised Putin when all the security services (Including Dutch and UK) have forwarded evidence of Russian interference. Why hasn't he? He's keen to slag off NATO allies, he's keen to post puerile tweets, he's keen to throw out idiotic statements, but not keen to admonish Putin. He even suggested it was a 400 pound guy in his basement...Riiight.

Chris Steele is a respected operative, at least that is what the CIA said publicly. That is why they took notice of the dossier he forwarded them. His boss gave a nine hour testimony, and said he has no problem if its made public. So presumably he can stand by it and has nothing to hide.

Were is the collusion that the democrats invented on November 9th? 

Stupid shit is not necessarily illegal. Obama came out against Brexit and against the nationalists in France. Was that collusion in their election? 

[GravitySucks]

In my mind, if Trump is guilty of anything, it is in picking some minor swamp dwellers to help drain the swamp.

I challenge anyone to name any person that has lived within the beltway for more than a long weekend that cannot be tied to some type of scandal. I understand why he want to keep his family close. You can see what happened when he tried to trust others that had seemed to have had honorable service in the past.

I had doubts about Flynn and voiced them here. He had been a life long democrat. That means the democrats knew where any skeletons could be found.

[PB the Deplorable]

I don't see the thinking here. The election interference wasn't likely to benefit his own side, so it looks like he stayed out of it while knowing inaction might be beneficial to the opposition. It seems to me that he had no good options and took the least worst available.

I'm not even sure why the assumption is the interference was in favor of Trump, or that it even favored anyone.  Perhaps one of these ''investigations'' - or even the pretend media - will tell us what the interference actually was.  Odd that we haven't heard, don't you think?

Obama and his unqualified incompetent Secretary of State Clinton allowed Putin to do whatever he wanted unchecked, and the very same corrupt former Sec of St Clinton even signed off on giving him 20% of the US uranium supply source.  Why wouldn't Putin want her in there?

[Yorkshire pud]

I'm not even sure why the assumption is the interference was in favor of Trump, or that it even favored anyone.  Perhaps one of these ''investigations'' - or even the pretend media - will tell us what the interference actually was.  Odd that we haven't heard, don't you think?

Obama and his unqualified incompetent Secretary of State Clinton allowed Putin to do whatever he wanted unchecked, and the very same corrupt former Sec of St Clinton even signed off on giving him 20% of the US uranium supply source.  Why wouldn't Putin want her in there?

Putin loathes Clinton. He loathes her husband too. So any favours Putin does won't be for Clinton.

[GravitySucks]

Chris Steele is a respected operative, at least that is what the CIA said publicly. That is why they took notice of the dossier he forwarded them. His boss gave a nine hour testimony, and said he has no problem if its made public. So presumably he can stand by it and has nothing to hide.

You see Pud. You have spent too much time with Michael Horn.

This is how he argues that the film has been analyzed and no tampering has been done.

Just because Steele built a dossier on information given to him by others doesn't mean it is real. But his boss can verify that he copied the information word for word so he stands behind his operative.

[PB the Deplorable]

What else would you have done?

Why are you asking me - you're the one who keeps telling us what Obama did and how valiant he was, while leaving out the part about him doing it well after the fact. 

He probably should have said or done something while it was happening, instead of playing golf, hosting parties, flying around to fundraisers, and giving divisive speeches, but that isn't who he is.

What shoudl he have done?  I guess it depends on what the Russians were doing to interfere in our elections.  While that's apparently not important enough to mention during the witch hunt, it does matter as far as what the response should be.

[PB the Deplorable]

Putin loathes Clinton. He loathes her husband too. So any favours Putin does won't be for Clinton.

He has comtempt for her.  That's different. 

But loath or contempt, he knows she would have been the one most easily played.

[GravitySucks]

Putin loathes Clinton. He loathes her husband too. So any favours Putin does won't be for Clinton.

Why did he double Bill's normal speaking fee to speak in Moscow? 

How much was Flynn's? (While he was a private citizen)

Clinton's was $500k (While his wife was SoS).

[PB the Deplorable]

Why did he double Bill's normal speaking fee to speak in Moscow? 

How much was Flynn's? (While he was a private citizen)

Clinton's was $500k (While his wite was SoS).

I don't think you're cherry picking the right facts to fit the narrative.

[GravitySucks]

I don't think you're cherry picking the right facts to fit the narrative.

If he loathes Clinton, why did he double his speaking fee?

[SredniVashtar]

Why did he double Bill's normal speaking fee to speak in Moscow? 

It's not like hiring a pub singer to appear at your daughter's wedding, I think Shirtless Vlad let the taxpayers foot the bill. If you want world leaders to legitimise your kleptocratic regime I don't think a few roubles here or there makes much difference.

[GravitySucks]

It's not like hiring a pub singer to appear at your daughter's wedding, I think Shirtless Vlad let the taxpayers foot the bill. If you want world leaders to legitimise your kleptocratic regime I don't think a few roubles here or there makes much difference.

He was influencing the decision on the uranium mining. Typical Clinton Pay to Play.

I have no problem holding people like Flynn and Manafort accountable as to financial disclosure as long as the same standards are applied to people like Clinton, Podesta and any other swamp dweller that is trying to leverage their access and influence.

Relative minor (even major) mistakes in judgement as far as financial disclosure do not amount to collusion with the Russians to influence the election.

[Yorkshire pud]

You see Pud. You have spent too much time with Michael Horn.

This is how he argues that the film has been analyzed and no tampering has been done.

Just because Steele built a dossier on information given to him by others doesn't mean it is real. But his boss can verify that he copied the information word for word so he stands behind his operative.

Then Steele who was commissioned to look into Dem as well as Rep traffic was being paid for nothing? He (or rather the firm who commissioned him) informed the Dems their online security was diabolical and they tightened it up..He told the Reps the same and they didn't. Why do you think that the Trump team wanted (and got) the dropping of sanctions on Russia friendly Ukraine at the RNC? Might it be because Manafort and Flynn had business there? Trump has a half built hotel in Baku, Azerbaijan, which has been linked to corrupt officials who support the Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps. Awkward. Especially when there was no logical reason to build it where it is geographically. Well, not logical if you discount money laundering.

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/03/13/donald-trumps-worst-deal

http://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trumps-azerbaijan-hotel-linked-with-corruption-iran-2017-3

And don't imply any affinity with Micheal Horn. That is far more offensive than you saying 'get fucked.' 

[GravitySucks]

Then Steele who was commissioned to look into Dem as well as Rep traffic was being paid for nothing? He (or rather the firm who commissioned him) informed the Dems their online security was diabolical and they tightened it up..He told the Reps the same and they didn't. Why do you think that the Trump team wanted (and got) the dropping of sanctions on Russia friendly Ukraine at the RNC? Might it be because Manafort and Flynn had business there? Trump has a half built hotel in Baku, Azerbaijan, which has been linked to corrupt officials who support the Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps. Awkward. Especially when there was no logical reason to build it where it is geographically. Well, logical if you discount money laundering.

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/03/13/donald-trumps-worst-deal

http://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trumps-azerbaijan-hotel-linked-with-corruption-iran-2017-3

And don't imply any affinity with Micheal Horn. That is far more offensive than you saying 'get fucked.' 

Again you just toss out random stuff. Where is the collusion with Russia to influence the  election?

I can list hundreds of questionable dealings with the Clinton's - most of which amount to real money. Like the $17 million Bill got for being involved with the University so that they could get $52 million in grants from the State Department while Hillary was SoS.

WHERE IS THE COLLUSION?

[Yorkshire pud]

He has comtempt for her.  That's different. 

But loath or contempt, he knows she would have been the one most easily played.

Oh stop it! Trump has the mind of a ten week old puppy needing attention and love. That, that is also combined with a vicious, misogynist, self obsessed idiot is one of those quirks of nature..Others are the duck billed platypus, armadillo, baobab tree and giant pandas.

I don't like Clinton but at least she has a brain.

[Yorkshire pud]

Again you just toss out random stuff. Where is the collusion with Russia to influence the  election?

I can list hundreds of questionable dealings with the Clinton's - most of which amount to real money. Like the $17 million Bill got for being involved with the University so that they could get $52 million in grants from the State Department while Hillary was SoS.

WHERE IS THE COLLUSION?

You'll have to ask Mueller..but so far he's saying nothing. But I doubt he's going after Manafort, Flynn, Kushner, Jr, Stone, and probably others and not having Trump in his sights. I'm no lawyer, but that would be the way I'd get them to sing about Trump. Its interesting he has a lawyer on his team who went after and put away two big mafia bosses, one who specialises in overseas corruption and a few who specialise in money laundering.

[GravitySucks]

You'll have to ask Mueller..but so far he's saying nothing. But I doubt he's going after Manafort, Flynn, Kushner, Jr, Stone, and probably others and not having Trump in his sights. I'm no lawyer, but that would be the way I'd get them to sing about Trump. Its interesting he has a lawyer on his team who went after and put away two big mafia bosses, one who specialises in overseas corruption and a few who specialise in money laundering.

We have had the democrats like Feinstein admit they have seen no evidence of collusion.

This is a bipartisan attack by the establishment to keep Trump from implementing the agenda he was elected to implement. Plain and simple.

And this is the establishment sending a clear message to all future candidates. You are either one of us or we will team up to take you out.

[Gd5150]

Again you just toss out random stuff. Where is the collusion with Russia to influence the  election?

I can list hundreds of questionable dealings with the Clinton's - most of which amount to real money. Like the $17 million Bill got for being involved with the University so that they could get $52 million in grants from the State Department while Hillary was SoS.

WHERE IS THE COLLUSION?

Breaking News! The evidence of collusion has been located!







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[Yorkshire pud]

We have had the democrats like Feinstein admit they have seen no evidence of collusion.

This is a bipartisan attack by the establishment to keep Trump from implementing the agenda he was elected to implement. Plain and simple.

You don't really believe that. To get that kind of back story set up would assume back in 2009 (When the dodgy stuff started about Russia and Ukraine-maybe before that) The Dems and Reps had weekly meetings in smokey rooms to arrange the destruction of a Rep candidate (who then was a friend of the Clintons) in 2017! Trump is a crook, he's always been a crook. He even admitted it in his book 'The art of the deal'. He's just ridden his luck by bullying, obfuscation, ignoring and just downright nastiness until now. He was feared by many in January...Not so much now. He's weak and everyone knows how weak he is. He's a typical bully.

And this is the establishment sending a clear message to all future candidates. You are either one of us or we will team up to take you out.

No..its a message to future candidates (teenagers) that they need to develop beyond adolescence if they want to be an adult.

[starrmtn001]

This is why President Trump is not only the best President ever but He's among the best World Leaders ever!
President Trump INCREDIBLE Speech to UN General Assembly 9/19/17.



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