Obama orders public schools to be perv-friendly

[albrecht]

Or, you know, treat them with them same respect you with which you would expect to be treated.

Maybe at building gender neutral bathrooms.  How many of you have urinals at home?

And you are the precisely the kind of person who would dwell on such things.  You, the ultimate arbiter of racial, socio-economic, and now gender based justice.

Millions do it every day.

Sure, all of them.

And there it is again.  The Nth case scenario.  Wildly over exaggerate the barest possible permutations to found and reinforce your right to discriminate.  You never fail to disappoint.  At least in this sense.

Again, gender neutral bathrooms.  As in your household?  Or are you so discriminatory that you mandate which bathroom is exclusively attributed to which family member?

Like Denny Hastert?

Good thinking, because that's never happened before!!

http://www.ksat.com/news/man-accused-of-hiding-camera-inside-womens-restroom

http://www.snopes.com/transgender-filming-women-restroom/

http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/Secret-Recording-Store-Mall-Antelope-Valley-Palmdale-Restroom-207541101.html


Hey, you may actually get to see live female breasts without having to "make it rain"!

Really, you are hours of fun!

That is my point. Why make it easier for the perverts? Though really I suspect that the next social taboo to be dropped will be the age-thing. Because, after all, isn't it a natural thing? Homosexuals like Hastert, and others of his type who are heterosexual but like little girls, were "born like it" and most (not all) experts say pedophiles can't change. It is really bad for society to have such stigma that forces these people to go underground and hide their true nature. After all NAMBLA was very important in the beginning the homosexual rights movement, why shouldn't the homosexuals, or the other BLTSQs, support them now? And people got great entertainment for the likes of Savile, Polanksi, etc. They are people also, right? Why must society "judge" so much? Shame people who are simply "identifying" or acting on natural desires into closets or locker-rooms? Force them to take jobs as coaches, teachers, or priests to satisfy their natural urges. It is a part of nature, not a choice. Even in animals the phenomena can be seen.  When will Obama address this next sexual minority that deserves justice and "accommodation?"

ps: I think it would solve a lot of problems if houses started to put in urinals. We already have separate closets and sinks etc and usually the "crapper" is set in its own little room in most modern built houses. So why not a pisser (at least if one could be designed that wouldn't smell like they do at bars etc?) It might solves the problem of 'seat up or down' and guys missing.

[EarthAlien007]

When will Obama address this next sexual minority that deserves justice and "accommodation?"

When someone decides their being part of society infringes on "religious freedom".

[NowhereInTime]

That is my point.

Why make it easier for the perverts?

There is no evidence to suggest that there will a sudden epidemic of "pervism".  Just like there has been no evidence that legalized marijuana has caused rampant crime epidemics (SPOILER ALERT: they were already here.)

Though really I suspect that the next social taboo to be dropped will be the age-thing.

"Suspect"?  Or "hope"? hmmm....

Because, after all, isn't it a natural thing?

Um, no.  No one, except fringe whack-a-do's who pore over their computer every day to prosecute their case against, well, everyone, would even suggest that.

Homosexuals like Hastert,

You mean, "family values conservative former Speaker of the House" Hastert, right?

... and others of his type who are heterosexual but like little girls,

Wait, you just stated "his type" was homosexual? I'm pretty sure you know the difference...intimately...

...were "born like it" and most (not all) experts say pedophiles can't change. It is really bad for society to have such stigma that forces these people to go underground and hide their true nature.

Instead of being able to openly ask for help with their affliction rather than prey upon children?  Have you conservatives to thank for that, too, BTW.

After all NAMBLA was very important in the beginning the homosexual rights movement,

Sure.  If you say so. 

...why shouldn't the homosexuals, or the other BLTSQs, support them now?

Because you are exhibiting the classic conservative conflation where you mix homosexuality, pedophilia, transgender, and every other "not normal" sexual orientation you publicly disagree with into one big crock pot of deviance.

Homosexuals and lesbians are, overwhelmingly, consenting adults.  A child does not have the knowledge or emotional capability to consent to sexual acts.  Society has long sought to protect children from sexual predators. None of this is news but it does deflate your shit souffle.

And people got great entertainment for the likes of Savile, Polanksi, etc. They are people also, right? Why must society "judge" so much? Shame people who are simply "identifying" or acting on natural desires into closets or locker-rooms? Force them to take jobs as coaches, teachers, or priests to satisfy their natural urges. It is a part of nature, not a choice. Even in animals the phenomena can be seen.  When will Obama address this next sexual minority that deserves justice and "accommodation?"

In your case you better hope before the FBI seizes your computer.  Yeah, that was snarky, but before you comment, really go back and read what you just typed.

ps: I think it would solve a lot of problems if houses started to put in urinals.

Good Lord.

We already have separate closets and sinks etc and usually the "crapper" is set in its own little room in most modern built houses. So why not a pisser (at least if one could be designed that wouldn't smell like they do at bars etc?) It might solves the problem of 'seat up or down' and guys missing.

Yeah. Ok.  Maybe they could install one in your "separate closet", you know, so you'd never have to come out...

[VtaGeezer]

Creepy men have been invading women's rest rooms since the dawn of rest rooms.

At least you agree the pervs are creepy men.  Its a start.

[albrecht]

There is no evidence to suggest that there will a sudden epidemic of "pervism".  Just like there has been no evidence that legalized marijuana has caused rampant crime epidemics (SPOILER ALERT: they were already here.)

"Suspect"?  Or "hope"? hmmm....

Um, no.  No one, except fringe whack-a-do's who pore over their computer every day to prosecute their case against, well, everyone, would even suggest that.

You mean, "family values conservative former Speaker of the House" Hastert, right?

Wait, you just stated "his type" was homosexual? I'm pretty sure you know the difference...intimately...

Instead of being able to openly ask for help with their affliction rather than prey upon children?  Have you conservatives to thank for that, too, BTW.

Sure.  If you say so. 

Because you are exhibiting the classic conservative conflation where you mix homosexuality, pedophilia, transgender, and every other "not normal" sexual orientation you publicly disagree with into one big crock pot of deviance.

Homosexuals and lesbians are, overwhelmingly, consenting adults.  A child does not have the knowledge or emotional capability to consent to sexual acts.  Society has long sought to protect children from sexual predators. None of this is news but it does deflate your shit souffle.

In your case you better hope before the FBI seizes your computer.  Yeah, that was snarky, but before you comment, really go back and read what you just typed.

Good Lord.

Yeah. Ok.  Maybe they could install one in your "separate closet", you know, so you'd never have to come out...

Oh I know Hastert was homosexual pedophile. I suspect there are more there than most think, just as the various scandals in Britain and the Catholic Church and the Penn State stuff happened and showed the numbers and occurrences (though I think the investigation into these things get stopped or covered up if possible.)  I'm saying that the next agenda for sexual liberation might be the age thing. After all historically, and even now, it varies by country (even State) and society. And it is natural, as the leftists, say.

I'm not for any of it, sarcasm is lost on you, but logically, the left will likely start down that road- it fits all the criteria: "Born with it" "Natural" "Occurs in animals" "Occurred throughout history" "how can one put a specific age on something" (laws/views already vary between States, countries, and cultures,) etc. And they need to find some new liberation movement. If not age-of-consent then at least polygamy. How can that be argued against (with consenting adults?)
ps: only reason I recall the other thing was Helms pontificating about it back in the day:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Lesbian,_Gay,_Bisexual,_Trans_and_Intersex_Association#Controversy_and_loss_of_UN_consultative_status

[ItsOver]

At this point why have separate facilities at all? Why have male and female locker rooms? Put wall urinals in all the female restrooms and open them up for everyone!

This is just another smoke cloud to cover up the larger issues...

I can see it now.  While the wacko politicians are busy arguing about restoom justice, can the next 9/11 be far behind?

[NowhereInTime]

Oh I know Hastert was homosexual pedophile. I suspect there are more there than most think, just as the various scandals in Britain and the Catholic Church and the Penn State stuff happened and showed the numbers and occurrences (though I think the investigation into these things get stopped or covered up if possible.)  I'm saying that the next agenda for sexual liberation might be the age thing. After all historically, and even now, it varies by country (even State) and society. And it is natural, as the leftists, say.

Quote one.

I'm not for any of it, sarcasm is lost on you,

Lost on me?!?!?  Once again:   

...but logically,

  Stop it!  You're killing me!!!

...the left will likely start down that road...

If you somehow commandeer the Green Party and radically rewrite their platform, maybe.

- it fits all my criteria: "Born with it" "Natural" "Occurs in animals" "Occurred throughout history" "how can one put a specific age on something" (laws/views already vary between States, countries, and cultures,) etc. And they need to find some new liberation movement. If not age-of-consent then at least polygamy. How can that be argued against (with consenting adults?)

Fixed it for ya!

ps: only reason I recall the other thing was Helms pontificating about it back in the day:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Lesbian,_Gay,_Bisexual,_Trans_and_Intersex_Association#Controversy_and_loss_of_UN_consultative_status

That's what you get for paying attention to Jesse Helms. Deviance.

[NowhereInTime]

I can see it now.  While the wacko politicians are busy arguing about restoom justice, can the next 9/11 be far behind?

Depends.  If we elect a democratic socialist, I'm sure something will be arranged...

[ItsOver]

Depends.  If we elect a democratic socialist, I'm sure something will be arranged...

Those damn illuminati.

[NowhereInTime]

Those damn illuminati.

[21st Century Man]

Simply change the designations of restrooms, locker rooms, and public showers from women and men to xx and xy.  You can't change your chromosomes.

[VtaGeezer]

Maybe at building gender neutral bathrooms. 

What part of LOCKER ROOM or PUBLIC SHOWER do you have difficulty understanding?
My prev. posts quote the new rule...NO "nuetral" facility or activity for the pervs is going to accepted.  If they feel like a girl they must be allowed to shower with the girls.  OK by you, eh?

[chefist]

I can see it now.  While the wacko politicians are busy arguing about restoom justice, can the next 9/11 be far behind?

Lol omg I hope not! More that they can arrange some more companies to leave the country while we allow uncontrolled immigration, both if which lower the largest expense of business in the US...labor... Reps are paid off the fight for free trade...Dems are paid off to promote open borders...both drive down the cost of labor and increase corporate profits...

[Jody Bell Ringer]

He was a paedophile who was jailed, and not transgender. He was also heterosexual and a Rush fan..go figure. But you're an idiot because you're equating transgender people with paedophilia.  Sure you call them cross dressers to give your stupidity some purile gravitas, but you're not that clever to know the difference.

It's easier and accurate just to call them all perverts.

[NowhereInTime]

Simply change the designations of restrooms, locker rooms, and public showers from women and men to xx and xy.  You can't change your chromosomes.

Oh, yes.  The Solomon like wisdom of the self possessed conservative.  So clever are you.  Why, by Jove I think you've got it!

Except, oh yeah, people aren't governed by their chromosomes, are they?

[21st Century Man]

Oh, yes.  The Solomon like wisdom of the self possessed conservative.  So clever are you.  Why, by Jove I think you've got it!

Except, oh yeah, people aren't governed by their chromosomes, are they?

Oh, please stick your stuck-up arrogance where the  sun doesn't shine.  As for governance, some people are governed by perverted pedophiliac impulses. Does that make it right?  I suppose in your world, it does.

[NowhereInTime]

Lol omg I hope not!

Lol!  OMG!  :

More that they can arrange some more companies to leave the country while we allow uncontrolled immigration, both if which lower the largest expense of business in the US...labor...

If you elect conservatives with their Supply Side fairy dust, then unchecked immigration and corporate exodus will continue. 

The largest expense of US business isn't labor.  You labor under this misconception; this statement is only true in the smallest of businesses that require human capital to function in the first place.  It is not the highest expense in manufacturing (usually raw material then automation), it is certainly not in retail (average percent to budget is usually less than 10% - goods cost at least twice that)

But let's assume for a moment that you are correct; how do expect an economy to continue let alone grow without compensated employees consuming goods and services?  Your very argument is misanthropic; you presume to see labor as an enemy because they somehow "take" from their employer, ignoring the fact they "make" their employer exceptionally wealthy and well compensated?  What purpose does your enmity serve?

Reps are paid off the fight for free trade...Dems are paid off to promote open borders...both drive down the cost of labor and increase corporate profits...

About the one thing with which I would agree. The political parties are rife with self serving cynics.

[chefist]

Lol!  OMG!  :

If you elect conservatives with their Supply Side fairy dust, then unchecked immigration and corporate exodus will continue. 

The largest expense of US business isn't labor.  You labor under this misconception; this statement is only true in the smallest of businesses that require human capital to function in the first place.  It is not the highest expense in manufacturing (usually raw material then automation), it is certainly not in retail (average percent to budget is usually less than 10% - goods cost at least twice that)

But let's assume for a moment that you are correct; how do expect an economy to continue let alone grow without compensated employees consuming goods and services?  Your very argument is misanthropic; you presume to see labor as an enemy because they somehow "take" from their employer, ignoring the fact they "make" their employer exceptionally wealthy and well compensated?  What purpose does your enmity serve?

About the one thing with which I would agree. The political parties are rife with self serving cynics.

If you went into the same bathroom as my 8 year old daughter I'd call the police...

[NowhereInTime]

If you went into the same bathroom as my 8 year old daughter I'd call the police...

Well, for pete's sakes, dumbass?!?  There you are misinterpreting everything for your own cynical purposes. 

[albrecht]

Quote one.

Lost on me?!?!?  Once again:   

  Stop it!  You're killing me!!!


If you somehow commandeer the Green Party and radically rewrite their platform, maybe.

Fixed it for ya!

That's what you get for paying attention to Jesse Helms. Deviance.

Crazy as it seems some leftists do/did promote this stuff (even way back in the day when NAMBLA helped start the homosexual rights movement) up to more modern times. Strange world but I'm sure leftists will seize upon it. After all what is the precise, scientific age that one becomes an adult or able to act sexually? Age of consent for various things (drinking, sex, legally signing contracts, tobacco use, marriage, etc) vary between states, countries, and cultures so, per leftist, philosophical thought: there is no real "standard" and "everything is relative" (actually, bizarrely, even incest is legal, for adults, in some places. Some couple in Germany was trying to overturn the rule but was knocked down.) Though sometimes championed by leftists the perversion and abuse isn't exclusive for any political stance or religion or country; the only difference is the level of abhorrence, acceptance or criminalization.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/10948796/Paedophilia-is-natural-and-normal-for-males.html
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/opinion/news-analysis/in-the-1970s-paedophilia-was-a-cause-for-liberals-28746578.html
Allen Ginsberg was a defender of NAMBLA and a member*
*Haggerty, George (2000). Gay histories and cultures: an encyclopedia. Taylor & Francis. pp. 627â€"628. ISBN 978-0-8153-1880-4. Retrieved 2010-09-17

[NowhereInTime]

Oh, please stick your stuck-up arrogance where the  sun doesn't shine.  As for governance, some people are governed by perverted pedophiliac impulses. Does that make it right?  I suppose in your world, it does.

Oh ,please your own self you haughty bastard.  You stroll in here pretending you are a king among commoners dispensing your pithy whimsy with your pseudo intellectual bearing like we should all set aside and hail your superior mind. 

As for governance? If you'd paid attention I stated to the contrary; pedophiles need to be treated, not chased to the shadows so they can stalk and fulfill their sickened cravings.  Unfortunately, the sanctimony of conservatives like you chased them to those shadows (mostly so you can save a buck by not offering help with their affliction) instead of helping them deal with their illness.  That's what would be right in my world; an open society mature enough to treat pedophiles so that our children are safer.

[henge0stone]

This whole bathroom thing is so stupid I can't even believe anyone cares or that I am typing a response.

[aldousburbank]

Uber-liberals have created a sacerdotal pathology of which abortion is the sacrament and restrooms are the tabernacle. Yeah I said it. Please clap.

[chefist]

Uber-liberals have created a sacerdotal pathology of which abortion is the sacrament and restrooms are the tabernacle. Yeah I said it. Please clap.

Holy shit! You DID throw that out there! Aborted babies swirling in toilets...let's see the fireworks begin!

[ItsOver]

Uber-liberals have created a sacerdotal pathology of which abortion is the sacrament and restrooms are the tabernacle. Yeah I said it. Please clap.

Hmmmm, restrooms.  Don't you mean "Please
crap?"

[21st Century Man]

Oh ,please your own self you haughty bastard.  You stroll in here pretending you are a king among commoners dispensing your pithy whimsy with your pseudo intellectual bearing like we should all set aside and hail your superior mind. 

NiTwit, I'm the last person who would tell people what to believe.  All I offer are suggestions.  Sure, I think they are good suggestions but that is no more or no less than what other folks on Bellgab think about their own posts.  As for strutting around like a king,  you seem to take pleasure in that whenever you deign to post on Bellgab.

As for governance? If you'd paid attention I stated to the contrary; pedophiles need to be treated, not chased to the shadows so they can stalk and fulfill their sickened cravings.  Unfortunately, the sanctimony of conservatives like you chased them to those shadows (mostly so you can save a buck by not offering help with their affliction) instead of helping them deal with their illness.  That's what would be right in my world; an open society mature enough to treat pedophiles so that our children are safer.

So we're chasing pedophiles into the shadows when we charge them with a crime?  I suppose you would have them out on the streets, ready to pounce on their next victim, while waiting for their next psychiatric appointment.  If they can be rehabilitated, I'm all for treatment.  If they can't, then they need to be locked up.  The success of psychiatry when it comes to curing pedophilia is sketchy at best. 

I've got to take a shower but I await your response with bated breath,  NiTwit.  By the way, my appellation for you is not necessarily an insult as you do have a certain wit which I like.  However, it sounds like an insult and one that couldn't be more appropo.   

[VtaGeezer]

This whole bathroom thing is so stupid I can't even believe anyone cares or that I am typing a response.

You apparently haven't read the posts or the underlying Federal rule announcement.  I doubt many have a serious issue with shared toilet facilities as long as privacy is provided, but the new Obama edict includes any sex-specific facilities; i.e, locker rooms, changing rooms, and showers...all school activities, and also it bans offering a t-g option.  The edict is not for adults in a workplace or a govt building; its for all children at all publically funded schools in the USA. The "no one's being molested" argument is a red herring; the issue is the child's right to modesty and privacy, and to not to be forced into a situation that's in direct conflict with virtually every Western value or belief system. 

[albrecht]

every Western value or belief system.

Yep. That is this character Obama's true enemy. People think that he is just after this country but his animosity and grudge goes much, much deeper. And he is not alone in the war but internal enemies, like him, are even more dangerous than the more visible, outside enemy.

[GravitySucks]

What's wrong with people using the bathroom that matches their body parts? If a woman transgenders to a man and now has guy parts, would you like him using the same bathroom as your wife and daughter?

What's the larger issue?
It's 2016 and some folks still want to shit on gay people?

Using the bathroom that matches the body parts is fine. I'm pretty sure that is what 99.5% of the laws in place allow. This edict by the grand poobah says you use the bathroom you choose to self-indentify with today. Nothing about parts... Just about feelings. This probably affects what? 100 kids, 1000? 100,000?  It is just another over reach by the federal government telling the stats there is no such thing as a 10th Amendment in the socialist, liberal, progressive mindset.

Or, maybe Michelle is tired of sitting down to pee.

[EarthAlien007]

Using the bathroom that matches the body parts is fine. I'm pretty sure that is what 99.5% of the laws in place allow.

I'm pretty sure North Carolina changed that, so transgendered people would have to use the bathroom that matches what's on their birth certificate.