20151113 - Terrorism in Paris - Open Lines - Live Show Chat Thread

[zeebo]

Well since I accidentally closed my feed for the show, I'm thinking it's a sign I should retire for the night.

Wishing all you lovable miscreants a sweet dream-filled slumber.   

Good nite and a pleasant nocturnal dreamtime, maren.

[QuantumMystics]

https://twitter.com/RFCdan/status/665302723592519680

So what maybe you saying, we run away too like they are? This doesn't make sense, the band was not a french band. The migrants are making it more likely terrorist will strike where they move to, with the migrants comes attacks. These maybe conquered people fleeing and the conquerors following them wherever they flee. OR hiding within them more likely. Disgusting. NO one made them blow people up and machine gun them down.

[(Sandman) Logan-5]

Have a great weekend, gabblers. Take care, and stay alert.

(That was actually a pretty good Reagan, lol.)

You too Zen.

[FLLFlash]

Someone said; "This generation is a liability, not an asset".
I'm inclined to agree.

I'm afraid that this is so.

[Meister_000]

So what maybe you saying, we run away too like they are? This doesn't make sense, the band was not a french band. The migrants are making it more likely terrorist will strike where they move to, with the migrants comes attacks. These maybe conquered people fleeing and the conquerors following them wherever they flee. OR hiding within them more likely. Disgusting.  NO one made them blow people up and machine gun them down.

No-one, that is, except (ultimately) their "Prophet" and his "Un-Holy Book" -- and "properly' interpreted as well.  My take on things is this; Islam is rotten to the core -- and from day one! You only have to read the Qur'an, and know a little something about the first 30-50 years of Islamic history to know and to see that.  But of course, if you do go further, the more you know about Islam the more that impression and reality is reinforced -- it only get's worse, and worse, and worse, the farther you go. Muhammad was a retard, Islam is not an "Abrahamic" religion, is not in the Judeo-Christian family or line. It is not even "mono-theistic" (not that that would make it "ok'). It has more in common with "monism" or monistic dualism. That is to say;  yes, there is only "One" God, but he is both good and bad as "One"! Look up Islam's Sufi inspired "99 names of God".  Many of the named "attributes" of God are NEGATIVE.  After the collapse of the medieval caliphates, there arose new Islamic Empires (Safavid, Salafi, and Mughal, and even the later Ottoman) and all of them were founded upon "Sufi" orders or sects. The number-one Sufi theologian/philosopher was Ibn Al Arabi -- a dedicated Monist. So Islam has at least two different and corrupt paths and sources, streams, running into, through, and out-of it: Muhammad (and his "book") and Ibn Al-Arabi (and his books) -- not to mention the Saudi's (Wahhabists) favorite medieval Muslim ideologue and jurist writings and that Islamic "Tradition". The whole Sunni/Shiite split is also mute, a red herring. They are all cut from the same (rotten) cloth, seed, and vines. They were both and all sired by Muhammad -- the founder of the first official global "Non-Prophet Group"!

[henge0stone]

Jesus was a teacher who preached forgiveness and died
Buddha was a teacher who taught people how to enlighten themselves
but,
Mohammad was a conqueror who took the middle east uniting it in his religion.

whatever religion you are, if it helps you get through the day and be a good person its a good thing, but I'm afraid when you look at the facts of who Mohammad he was not a good man.

I know a lot of Muslims who are good people but there comes a time where you have to look at the person who founded your religion and decide if he is really worth following. I know this personally because most of my family are Mormons and when I looked into the founders of that religion I discovered that they were often less than holy, and that's putting it mildly. I think everyone needs to do the same.

[henge0stone]

I'm afraid that this is so.

I for one am tired of people complaining that the millennials are a shit generation that gets everything handed to them. Millennials have, the worst job prospects since the great depression, no chance of retiring and have fought in more wars then the previous generation. Generation X (born from 1960s to early 1980s) had no wars to deal with and a booming economy (at least compared to what it is now) so if anyone should get constantly shit on it should be them. I guarantee you more millennials have fought for the U.S. then the previous generation.

This crap about bashing the newer generation for all our problems is nothing new. Remember the baby boomers? aka the 'me generation'. I'm just sick of hearing old people bitching about young people.

[Meister_000]

Jesus was a teacher who preached forgiveness and died
Buddha was a teacher who taught people how to enlighten themselves
but,
Mohammad was a conqueror who took the middle east uniting it in his religion.

whatever religion you are, if it helps you get through the day and be a good person its a good thing, but I'm afraid when you look at the facts of who Mohammad he was not a good man.

I know a lot of Muslims who are good people but there comes a time where you have to look at the person who founded your religion and decide if he is really worth following. I know this personally because most of my family are Mormons and when I looked into the founders of that religion I discovered that they were often less than holy, and that's putting it mildly. I think everyone needs to do the same.

Sufi/Islamic teachings go on and on about Muhammad being "The Perfect Man".  This is the same man who married his best friend's daughter when she was 6, but given that he was a "Holy man" he waited to consumate the marriage -- until she was 9.

Perfect!!! 

[henge0stone]

Sufi/Islamic teachings go on and on about Muhammad being "The Perfect Man".  This is the same man who married his best friend's daughter when she was 6, but given that he was a "Holy man" he waited to consumate the marriage -- until she was 9.

Perfect!!!

These are facts, yet they are politically incorrect.

[albrecht]

These are facts, yet they are politically incorrect.

Who are YOU to judge? It is another culture and therefore one we should appreciate and accommodate. Clearly it is a better cultural ideal than our evil Western patriarchal, sexist, classist, racist, capitalist culture. We need to change our laws, civil rights, and culture to accommodate them and accept millions of them into our countries and, as Obama says, streamline the vetting to get them here more quickly.

[Meister_000]

I for one am tired of people complaining that the millennials are a shit generation that gets everything handed to them. Millennials have, the worst job prospects since the great depression, no chance of retiring and have fought in more wars then the previous generation. Generation X (born from 1960s to early 1980s) had no wars to deal with and a booming economy (at least compared to what it is now) so if anyone should get constantly shit on it should be them. I guarantee you more millennials have fought for the U.S. then the previous generation.

This crap about bashing the newer generation for all our problems is nothing new. Remember the baby boomers? aka the 'me generation'. I'm just sick of hearing old people bitching about young people.

The point is more that they (both gen-X and millenials) are the product and result of what they have and have-not been taught, the "culture" and educational matters and modes that were or were-not passed-on to them, the things they were and were-not exposed to.  For example, if you are taught extreme tolleration in all things, and not to be "judgmental",  then you get people who say "it's all good" and who cannot think for themselves, because to think is to judge. Those children will neither stand for anything, nor against anything. It's all good, and we can't have any "negativity" now can we. 

The iPhone generation of teenage boys have the hands of young girls -- not a muscle on them, never picked up a screw-driver in their lives!

[Coffeeman]

I for one am tired of people complaining that the millennials are a shit generation that gets everything handed to them. Millennials have, the worst job prospects since the great depression, no chance of retiring and have fought in more wars then the previous generation. Generation X (born from 1960s to early 1980s) had no wars to deal with and a booming economy (at least compared to what it is now) so if anyone should get constantly shit on it should be them. I guarantee you more millennials have fought for the U.S. then the previous generation.

This crap about bashing the newer generation for all our problems is nothing new. Remember the baby boomers? aka the 'me generation'. I'm just sick of hearing old people bitching about young people.

Wow, just wow I can't even...said no millennial ever.

[Coffeeman]

The point is more that they (both gen-X and millenials) are the product and result of what they have and have-not been taught, the "culture" and educational matters and modes that were or were-not passed-on to them, the things they were and were-not exposed to.  For example, if you are taught extreme tolleration in all things, and not to be "judgmental",  then you get people who say "it's all good" and who cannot think for themselves, because to think is to judge. Those children will neither stand for anything, nor against anything. It's all good, and we can't have any "negativity" now can we. 

The iPhone generation of teenage boys have the hands of young girls -- not a muscle on them, never picked up a screw-driver in their lives!

In many cases, the girls are more boys than the boys. Testosterone levels hav dropped like a rock for youngsters these days. Kind of makes me wonder if it's one big reason why the so-called "trans" movement got so big. When biological truths such as sex don't exist any more, anything is possible and justified. Seriously, pedophiles are making some serious inroads in being legitimized because this shit is pushed on children.

[VtaGeezer]

I couldn't make it yesterday, i had to put my dog down 

My condolences.  Tough, tough duty.

[albrecht]

In many cases, the girls are more boys than the boys. Testosterone levels hav dropped like a rock for youngsters these days. Kind of makes me wonder if it's one big reason why the so-called "trans" movement got so big. When biological truths such as sex don't exist any more, anything is possible and justified. Seriously, pedophiles are making some serious inroads in being legitimized because this shit is pushed on children.

Some claim it is about various plastics leeching, the water supply (many drugs get into it), etc but I say it is about the culture mainly, in particular Hollywood and schools and weak-willed parents who let the tv and Hollyweird and teachers raise their children.

[Yorkshire pud]

In many cases, the girls are more boys than the boys. Testosterone levels hav dropped like a rock for youngsters these days. Kind of makes me wonder if it's one big reason why the so-called "trans" movement got so big. When biological truths such as sex don't exist any more, anything is possible and justified. Seriously, pedophiles are making some serious inroads in being legitimized because this shit is pushed on children.

Hmmm, interesting. What other bollox do you talk about?

[UnscreenedCaller]

I know a lot of Muslims who are good people but there comes a time where you have to look at the person who founded your religion and decide if he is really worth following. I know this personally because most of my family are Mormons and when I looked into the founders of that religion I discovered that they were often less than holy, and that's putting it mildly. I think everyone needs to do the same.

I've taught Muslim kids, know their families and they're good people. They're average Americans, not fanatics, the people I know, at least. But, trying to leave Islam is a lot harder I think than trying to leave Catholicism. I got fed up with the hierarchy of the church and left. No one cared, certainly not in  my family and the only ones who might have cared was the local church who are now minus my weekly envelopes. Same is generally true for Judaism, Buddhism and I know very secular Sikhs and Hindus. But Islam is so much a fabric of it's practitioners' lives, especially amongst fundamentalists,  from the way women are made to dress and behave to the way people come to the local mosques 5 times a day to pray, to the Sharia law that governs their lives, down to Halal and what they can eat,  that I think it's so minutely knit into the person's psyche that the very thought of leaving is terrifying. It's not called a "surrender" religion for nothing. I'm sorry to say, but for many people it means surrendering independent thought, plus being bullied by others into feeling sinful and out of favor with Allah if one deviates, which makes it easy to recruit moldable young people to attack others without the slightest twinge of humanity. Religious brainwashing plus peer pressure are formidable means of cranking out terrorists.

[Yorkshire pud]

I've taught Muslim kids, know their families and they're good people. They're average Americans, not fanatics, the people I know, at least. But, trying to leave Islam is a lot harder I think than trying to leave Catholicism. I got fed up with the hierarchy of the church and left. No one cared, certainly not in  my family and the only ones who might have cared was the local church who are now minus my weekly envelopes. Same is generally true for Judaism, Buddhism and I know very secular Sikhs and Hindus. But Islam is so much a fabric of it's practitioners' lives, especially amongst fundamentalists,  from the way women are made to dress and behave to the way people come to the local mosques 5 times a day to pray, to the Sharia law that governs their lives, down to Halal and what they can eat,  that I think it's so minutely knit into the person's psyche that the very thought of leaving is terrifying. It's not called a "surrender" religion for nothing. I'm sorry to say, but for many people it means surrendering independent thought, plus being bullied by others into feeling sinful and out of favor with Allah if one deviates, which makes it easy to recruit moldable young people to attack others without the slightest twinge of humanity. Religious brainwashing plus peer pressure are formidable means of cranking out terrorists.

Pretty much sums it up UC.

[FLLFlash]

Yes, FLLFlash , that's why her intellect is so much higher than yours.   

I was much smarter before I moved to Florida.

[Tarbaby]

The Chase.

Good evening fellow BellGabbers.

May the terrorists of the world rot in hell.

PEACE
Hog

SNORT!!

[FLLFlash]

*heavy sigh* I now have a young grand daughter who will be in school in a year, Breslan is a lesson we have yet to learn in the US.  My son-in-law is a teacher in a school system where the superintendent refused to allow the local police to practice assaults (in the summer, from 1-4 am) to rescue students because the school system has a "zero tolerance" to guns in any school building.

This is what happens when those who feed at the public trough suffer little the consequences of their actions.

[henge0stone]

Wow, just wow I can't even...said no millennial ever.

to clarify the Millennial birth years range from the early 1980s to the early 2000s, so just about everyone who fought in Afghanistan and Iraq were millennials. So this crap about 'Millennials need to learn to fight of the country!' from old men last night is just crap.

[chefist]

At least one of the Paris terrorists was a registered "Refugee"...

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2015/11/breaking-paris-isis-terrorist-registered-as-refugee-on-leros-island-in-greece-in-october/

[Tarbaby]

  Being on the same planet seems to be enough to do that. But pretty much every move the US has made since 1914 in that part of the world has backfired. Cheap oil being the only benefit. Not worth it.

how about if we wait until all the moderates flee and then carpet bomb whoever is left?

[Yorkshire pud]

At least one of the Paris terrorists was a registered "Refugee"...

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2015/11/breaking-paris-isis-terrorist-registered-as-refugee-on-leros-island-in-greece-in-october/

Hmmm, and remind us why the ME is in the shit state it now finds itself? Might it be because the West has destabilised it over the last 10-15 years or so, so that every murderous vermin has a foothold with nothing to stop him, and the vermin no incentive other than kill anything they decide is their enemy?

[chefist]

Hmmm, and remind us why the ME is in the shit state it now finds itself? Might it be because the West has destabilised it over the last 10-15 years or so, so that every murderous vermin has a foothold with nothing to stop him, and the vermin no incentive other than kill anything they decide is their enemy?

The West did start this process...no doubt...so we just let the terrorists kill us to teach us a lesson because we deserve it?

The decisions of the Allies after WWI led directly to WWII...regardless of the mistakes we still had to wage WWII.

The Japanese in WWII also had a population with fanatical devotion to their god (the emperor), and considered it an honor to die for him and for their country.

The only thing that changed that cultural believe was the absolute fear of the overwhelming power demonstrated at Hiroshima and Nagasaki...I'm not advocating using nuclear weapons,  but there will have to be the same fear of power brought forth upon the enemy.  Now the targets are civilian in nature...the Ally leaders in WWII knew that bringing as much hell to civilian populations was the only way to stop their desire to declare war...

[Yorkshire pud]

The West did start this process...no doubt...so we just let the terrorists kill us to teach us a lesson because we deserve it?

Absolutely not. Isn't what I was saying. But I doubt anyone knows what the answer is, the genie is out. Too late now to put it back in.

The decisions of the Allies after WWI led directly to WWII...regardless of the mistakes we still had to wage WWII.

True. But this enemy has no nation, has no 'base' has no one leader. The 'war on terrorism' is an amorphous fairy tale used as a sound bite to appease the masses. Taking war to a philosophy is about as effective as plaiting fog and hoping to make a magic carpet. Short of making the entire ME into glass (and that's an awful lot of warheads-and won't kill anywhere near all the vermin who are the terrorists) no-one has an answer. Other than the policy of heightened vigilance and security.

[chefist]

Absolutely not. Isn't what I was saying. But I doubt anyone knows what the answer is, the genie is out. Too late now to put it back in.


True. But this enemy has no nation, has no 'base' has no one leader. The 'war on terrorism' is an amorphous fairy tale used as a sound bite to appease the masses. Taking war to a philosophy is about as effective as plaiting fog and hoping to make a magic carpet. Short of making the entire ME into glass (and that's an awful lot of warheads-and won't kill anywhere near all the vermin who are the terrorists) no-one has an answer. Other than the policy of heightened vigilance and security.

Not true...there are clearly ISIS controlled areas...

[paladin1991]

I for one am tired of people complaining that the millennials are a shit generation that gets everything handed to them. Millennials have, the worst job prospects since the great depression, no chance of retiring and have fought in more wars then the previous generation. Generation X (born from 1960s to early 1980s) had no wars to deal with and a booming economy (at least compared to what it is now) so if anyone should get constantly shit on it should be them. I guarantee you more millennials have fought for the U.S. then the previous generation.

This crap about bashing the newer generation for all our problems is nothing new. Remember the baby boomers? aka the 'me generation'. I'm just sick of hearing old people bitching about young people.

Go fuck yourself kid.  The only war I sat out was the Panama thing.  And that was only because my team was back after 3 years of drug interdiction. (R&R and training up for the next dust up.)  This last go around in the sand was my last go around.  Go fuck yourself.  Oh, wait.  I already told you to do that.  I must be getting old.

[Meister_000]

to clarify the Millennial birth years range from the early 1980s to the early 2000s, so just about everyone who fought in Afghanistan and Iraq were millennials. So this crap about 'Millennials need to learn to fight of the country!' from old men last night is just crap.

It's actually on the cusp, overlapping the two gens, plus the X's did round-one, Desert Storm. We are speaking in generalities, and the original context and quote was from some "prepper" on that other show, speaking to a whole wide-ranging skill-set and mental and physical readiness and it's (factual) general lacking in the population as a whole -- so that there-fore when the shit hits the fan you will not have very many good pickins to choose from man-power-wise and the thought of "relying" and depending on same to get us through tough times as-if-our-lives-depended-upon-it  is not a comforting one.  You few who have some skills training and balls will be overwhelmed  by the general ineptitude and functional practical uselessness of the masses around you. I hope you are beginning to see what and who were being refered to earlier, who few might be the assets, and who the-many will in fact be about as good as dead weight at best. Ok? We better now? Hope so.