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Quote from: Juan on August 19, 2015, 04:48:29 AMMy Ford, send me Soma.
Quote from: bateman on September 23, 2015, 06:31:43 PMNot to be outdone... http://www.infowars.com/kiss-cam-banned-from-universitys-sporting-events-after-claim-it-promotes-sexual-assault/
QuoteIn other words, if search engines and ISPs donâ€™t comply with a list of the UNâ€™s censorship demands, the UN wants national governments to cut off their access to the public.So, what sort of content does the UN want to censor? ISIS recruitment videos, perhaps, which lure women into lives of rape and servitude? Live-streamed executions from Syria? Revenge porn or snuff videos? Thereâ€™s no shortage of dangerous and potentially traumatising content on the web, after all, much of it disproportionately affecting women.Alas not. The UN is hung up on â€œcyber violence against women,â€ a Kafkaesque term that is apparently shorthand for â€œwomen being criticised on the internet.â€ At least, thatâ€™s how at least two attendees at the launch of the UN report, published by the United Nations Broadband Commission, explained it yesterday.According to feminist culture critic Anita Sarkeesian, who spoke at the event, online â€œharassmentâ€ doesnâ€™t simply consist of what is â€œlegal and illegal,â€ but â€œalso the day-to-day grind of â€˜youâ€™re a liarâ€™ and â€˜you suck,â€™ including all of these hate videos that attack us on a regular basis.â€
Quote from: pyewacket on September 27, 2015, 09:30:22 AMhttp://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/09/25/u-n-womens-group-calls-for-web-censorship/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social
Quote from: VoteQuimby on September 27, 2015, 08:54:11 PMIt's disgusting how as those who remember the evils of socialism and communism are dying off, these pigs are infiltrating and doing their best to fuck up the system. What's interesting to me is when this idiocy started up towards the beginning of the Obama administration, it was mainly people advocating apparently reasonable things like feminism, tolerance, welfare, etc. Now these pigs are just full on screaming for socialism and doing their best to hurt and destroy anyone who disagrees. The funniest thing to me is there was an absolute piece of garbage social justice warrior here who used to scream about how the minimum wage needs to be hiked. Now that the city has one, he's screaming about how things like beer and cigarettes have raised by 150-200%. What'd you think was going to happen dumb fuck? How can you be screaming for fundamental changes to society and life when you don't understand basic things like economics? Socialism is the most retarded thing ever. Socialism preaches equality yet needs an elite/ruling class to instill that equality which negates the whole fucking point and creates fascism. I honestly think Americans are too stupid as a whole to pick up a history book or even know how/why the USSR collapsed, so we're about to repeat some ugly parts of the 20th century while a few con men/women run off with a lot of wealth by manipulating victim marks.History just repeats itself over and over and over and over...
Quote from: paladin1991 on September 27, 2015, 09:12:45 PMHere on Bell Gab? I'm shocked, who would that be?
Quote from: VoteQuimby on September 27, 2015, 09:27:24 PMHaha, I know that guy in real life. We're friends on social media despite him being one of the worst people I've ever met. I just like watching what an utter wreck his life is. There's a couple socialists on here but they're vaguely lovable.
Quote from: chefist on September 29, 2015, 01:33:11 PMActually Marx and Engels did espouse genocide in their writings...Lenin and Stalin embraced this policy of "purging"...https://youtu.be/UmI7_SWBUK4
Quote from: NowhereInTime on September 29, 2015, 01:23:39 PMIn the end history repeats itself because it's never about trying to do something to benefit others, only to serve "self-interest".What disgusts me is that we've never truly seen a "communist" state in action, merely a veil used to hide totalitarianism. Frankly, I don't believe communism can work because it impedes the creative aspects of humanity.Socialism (at least the kind espoused by American progressives), however, can. Used as a cornerstone of American society, it can greatly reduce crime created by severe income inequality and limited opportunity. It can eliminate the uncertainty of caring for health and, in fact, could greatly reduce the cost of health by encouraging preventive care rather than waiting until the onset of disease. The greatness of American ingenuity would still be here; people would still get rich and lead the lives they strive to lead (unless their only goal is to create indignity) and true American Exceptionalism would surface with every new generation.The difference is that, as part of the price to live in (and benefit from) this great society, we use these talents to assist those who don't have entrepreneurial skill or who can own a business to lead productive, meaningful lives.You'd be surprised at how dignity and freedom from want fulfills the yearning in a person; the satisfaction of knowing that their family is cared for and that they can pursue happiness in their lives. Not everyone needs to be on a yacht drenching themselves in Pol Roger while chowing down beluga caviar. The knowledge that, while on this earth, they were people who did right by others would offer them the satisfaction conservatives believe only the constant accrual of wealth would do.No, I'm glad many "cold warriors" are leaving this mortal coil. Their pernicious cynicism, paranoia, and duplicity nearly cost this world it's very life and their never ending wars have depleted humanity of the many resources needed to offer ourselves a greater life on this wondrous creation.
Quote from: NowhereInTime on September 29, 2015, 03:38:37 PMOr, in fact, perhaps not...http://communism-explained.blogspot.com/2010/05/did-marx-call-for-extermination-of.htmlIn any event, neither Bernie Sanders, nor I, nor any progressive I've ever met are calling for anyone to be exterminated.
Quote from: VoteQuimby on September 29, 2015, 08:26:36 PMI feel like I'm having a Vietnam flashback/freakout right now reading this nonsense. I used to be around poor, broke, hungry artists and intellectuals that espoused this nonsense 24 hours a day because their info streams on their social media feeds told them too. Then you come to find out the bulls and pigs programming this nonsense are just hypocritical compulsive lying con men/women using 19th and 20th century mindfuck tactics to create wealth for themselves.
Quote from: VoteQuimby on September 29, 2015, 08:08:40 PMPlease explain how that is supposed to work.
QuoteI continually read these big claims of how socialism is the answer yet it's never worked in reality
Quote... and it's never been explained to me why robbing the rich and penalizing creativity is supposed to create a utopia.
QuoteThe whole idea of robbing the rich to pay intellectuals for excuses on why the system isn't working seems idiotic to me.
QuotePlus the rich is just going to pass off the inflation to the poor anyway which defeats the whole point.
QuotePlus you want the government wandering into your life telling you that you can't have a yacht or can't eat red meat?
QuoteThat's so against the basic principals of America and you have to be a complete mark to not think that's going to open up our society even more to rampant corruption. Also why should we be penalized and not enjoy caviar on a yacht because "the masses" are too stupid to get their shit together?
QuoteAlso whether we like it or not we're racing towards a socialist system.
QuoteOnce Obama's new banking regulations hit by the end of the year, only a very select few people under 30 will be able to buy a house.
QuoteThese images socialists paint of uber rich people on yachts being problem amuses me.
QuoteAgain we have bankrupt completely fraudulent system that continues to be destroyed through horrible politics.
QuoteBut some rich guy on a yacht, he's the problem.
QuoteA capitalist society produces wealth, a socialist society produces excuses.
QuoteI don't want brain dead intellectuals or the government getting into my life.
QuoteSocialism is just an assault on freedom perpetuated by brain dead intellectuals who want to make their failings in life everyone else's problem.
QuoteI'm sorry, when I was under 30 I was a hardcore militant liberal who was open to this stuff. However in my adulthood which involves weekly interactions with politicians, bankers, lawyers and large sums of money, socialism is the dumbest idea I've ever seen.
QuoteIt cannot possibly work with how evil and corrupt humans are.
QuoteI'm not attacking you personally, I genuinely want answers to this.
QuotePersonally socialism would be spectacular for me because I would exploit the corruption and black market to the fullest extent I possibly could. Anyone with half a brain would do the same.
Quote from: NowhereInTime on September 30, 2015, 05:59:31 PMIt works because, when asked about the effectiveness of many social programs, overwhelming numbers of Americans used them not as "free stuff'" but, in fact, a leg up:http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/11/opinion/smart-social-programs.html?_r=0It's never really been tried. Ask seniors their opinions on Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security. Conservatives derisively connote "entitlements" yet these are benefits earned in a pay as you go system. They are very popular. No matter how much conservatives pillory Obamacare, many millions have been able to access insurance; the more people learn about it, the more they like it. Who doesn't like it? People in states that haven't signed onto the medicaid supplement. And the rich who were profiteering off them.
QuoteIt's this selfish mentality that is the true cause of America's rot (and the core founding belief of conservatism). How is asking our most successful citizens to sustain the very nation that afforded them the opportunity to succeed in the first place "robbery"? How is creativity "penalized"? What part of any programs ever suggested are intended to strip all the wealth away from anyone?
QuoteIt is this doctrine (really, mythology) of "American Exceptionalism" (a misapplied term - our real exceptionalism comes from our good stewardship, not in making a buck) that appeals to the Id of even the poorest who dream of a future of wealth. Ironic; with the levels of wealth enjoyed by our top "earners" there is no danger of impoverishment if we DOUBLED their tax obligation, yet our poorest people fear losing a wealth they do not (nor likely will) have.
QuoteExcellent job of messaging by conservatives.
QuoteThat's because that's an idiotic scenario. "Robbing the rich to pay intellectuals" is an absurdist, extremist extension of fear mongering conservatives engage in to protect their hoarding. And, again, "robbing"? I would love you to explain this, please:http://www.cnbc.com/2015/09/24/drug-prices-which-companies-may-be-the-next-targets.html
QuoteYou mean like the Bush tax cuts? The height of political cynicism. American voters, in good faith, doubled down on Supply side economics and supported Republicans in their tax cut promises. So, where did all those "job creators" place their new gained wealth? Startups? Expansion?
QuoteNo, they took the very money conservatives swore up and down would be used to develop new businesses and, in turn, new jobs and bought treasuries. They ran up the cost on consumables everywhere. Coffee, up. Beef, up. Oil, up. Always a story in the business media about "worries of crop/production/supply shortages" fueling the price spiking. Even Jim Cramer, trying to explain speculation away in the markets, slipped and said it accounted for "no more than 20%" of the price.
Quote20%? If that were a tax conservatives would march on (ok, be chauffered to) Washington D.C.Nope. Never said it. Not part of any statement I've made.
QuoteNow you're engaging in classic conservative straw man argument. Never called for punishment. In fact, my yacht example was to illustrate the minimal impact a modest increase in income tax or the elimination of the social security cap would have on the vast wealth of the one percent (ten percent, even).
QuoteBecause people want it. They're tired of America's devolvement into a "winner take all" game where only the most socioeconomically privileged set the rules and reap the rewards. Talk about "against the basic principals of America"! How does permitting wealth to supercede the vote exemplify American principles? Conservative priciples, of course, but not American principles.
QuoteLeaving your crystal ball aside, two things: 1) No one under 30 can buy a house now and 2) yeah, the banking system was really humming along before.
QuoteWhat a strange reaction. Frankly its a rather boring image.
QuoteYes, we have a gerrymandered Congress that does not actually represent the will of the people. They're too busy naming everything under the sun after Ronald Reagan and up to their, what, 60th vote to repeal Obamacare? Yeah, that's humming along, too.
QuoteChances are. However, we can mitigate the catastrophic impact his affluence and arrogance has by requiring him to be a bit more participatory. What's so wrong about bringing an end to outsourcing? "Streamlining"? "Golden parachutes"? The incestuous arrangements of executives filling each other's boards of directors? The next time some CFO decides laying off 30,000 will help him make his 3rd quarter reporting bonus, why not make him pay for it?
QuoteGreat bumper sticker. A socialist society will ensure that the capitalists don't change the rules and grab everything that isn't nailed down. That's all; no sinister transfer of wealth or "robbery".
QuoteAlmost as much as I don't want private entities and their connected relationships getting into mine.
QuoteWow, this is a thing with you, isn't it? Why do I get the feeling perhaps Mrs Quimby was tempted by or strayed into the arms of some "brain dead intellectual" who was quite the clever speaker...
QuoteNo. No you weren't. This is the most tired of conservatives' tripe, this old trope that "I was once a liberal, but, by God, I grew up when I got into the real world." It's a paternalistic way to imply that liberalism and/or socialism is somehow "child like". And, yes, it's a personal attack.
QuoteNo, it cannot work if we approach it only with world weary cynicism. We need to keep the system honest; it's naive to think it "utopian" or some magic pill, but it's a far better way than "do or die; it's all mine".
QuoteKinda seems like you were, especially "brain dead intellectual", but ok. I hope I've at least set up a frame work of what it is progressives are seeing as an opportunity to re-include the other 90% of the nation. No one's going on trial. No one's going from the penthouse to the poorhouse. We'll never achieve perfection. Let's just make this better than it is.
QuoteThe true enemy of the American Dream is the cynic who seeks exploitative opportunites rather than economic ones.
Quote from: VoteQuimby on September 30, 2015, 07:56:37 PMYeah eliminating competition in the market place while making an efficient entity like the government the only means one can access health care or essential services will produce such great results.
QuoteAt what point in the modern era could people not walk into an emergency room and be treated?
QuoteAlso having so many hands in a business... that's just dumb. I'm not against social programs for the old and crippled but half of this country doesn't produce anything and your answer is to take more away from the other half?
QuoteOpen a history book, socialism has been tried and failed many times. Two biggest examples are the USSR and Nazi Germany. Oh but your brand of socialism is going to be so much better right?
QuoteAnd I'm not a conservative.
QuoteWhy is it the responsibility of successful Americans to subsidize people who can't get their act together?
QuoteAnd that "selfish mentality" is American exceptionalism
Quote... and it's what built this country into a super power before Bush and Obama tag teamed to ruin the economy.
QuoteWhere do you draw the line? I'm all for taxing corporations and churches. It's criminal that we do not.
QuoteBut socialism will fuck anyone making upper middle class money and will ensure that the dwindling middle class stay the dwindling middle class because they won't be able to get ahead.
QuotePlus you want the government to redistribute wealth. That's so mind blowingly corrupt and naive, I wonder what planet you're on.
QuoteExcellent two-dimensional thinking from someone who can't escape from an us versus them mentality that's been hammered into your brain along with the rest of this unrealistic rhetoric.
QuoteI voted for Obama twice friend.
QuoteWhat else do you call it when you forcefully take someone's money without earning it?
QuoteYou think there's a difference between Bush and Obama?
QuoteOne is going manipulate conservatives and one is going to manipulate liberals but they both have the same end and they're both economically the same
QuoteHow old are you?
QuoteI call it cherry picking an article about a corrupt monopoly that has bought off the government.
QuoteBy the way, I marched in several protests against Bush and wanted that motherfucker dead which is why I became an ardent liberal which the Obama administration cured me of even though I do like Obama on a lot of levels.
QuoteBush sold the tax cuts by giving a $600 payoff to the poor pissing away our surplus which brain dead poor people ate up and worshiped him like Jesus Christ after that. Rich people were trying to cover their ass at the time when all the ponzi schemes starting falling apart and our currency's value went to shit almost over night.
QuoteHow else do you think the government is going to redistribute wealth and practice preventive health care? Is it just going to magically happen?
QuoteStealing money is a punishment and hurts the flow of business.
QuoteYou used a classic socialist strawman argument yourself of painting a fat cat on a boat to illustrate your rhetoric when in reality a guy may have a million in the bank and ten million in equity but that's what he built up for himself and in business you need as much equity as possible to continue doing business and grow business.
QuoteThat's how our system works.
QuoteStealing money and equity from that guy to give to intellectuals to steal and write books about evil white men accomplishes what other than to make it harder to do business in this country and make the third world more appealing?
QuoteYou don't think the government will take every chance to expand it's powers?
QuoteThe government is a business just like any other business and most like mafia syndicate in it's design. The victim classes are being mind fucked into screaming they want the government to be their daddy and take care of their problems while the federal government is using their idiocy to expand their powers. Since Bush/Obama have decided to eradicate the middle class I get why dumb people think this rhetoric is the answer. However America stands on the minimization of authority and free enterprise which is the essence of freedom and America. Both of those things socialism is against.
QuoteSo things were fucked before and now they're going to get even more fucked. That's the answer?
QuoteThat's also the classic image socialists paint. Do you want me to drop art history on you? I don't mind, socialist art is pretty bad ass.
QuoteWe agree on this. Fuck Congress and brain dead conservatives. And fuck Ronald Reagan while I'm at it.
QuoteI don't disagree with you at all on this. I'm just confused why you think a system that has continually been shown to fail that advocates increasing the size and powers of the entity that fucked it all up in the first place is the answer?
QuoteYeah because the government will do it and now the people won't have any chance of doing better for themselves.
QuoteIn a free enterprise capitalist society, anyone with brains or drive can improve their situation. I'm confused why you have this two dimensional thinking of only one thing or the other.
QuoteOne is going to showing you annoying ads based on your internet habits. The other can throw you in prison, destroy your livelihood an control every aspect of your life. I don't want either.
QuoteI didn't get personal with you dickhead.
QuoteI could have just as easily called you an unworldly beta white male pogue faux intellectual who talks about ideas he doesn't understand because it gives him the delusion of knowledge and excuses for his failed life, poverty and the fact no one wants to fuck him at his community college.
QuoteYou are one dumb fuck. Honestly.
QuoteYou want people to fit into your little socialist world view even when it doesn't work.
QuoteI marched in more gay rights parades, wrote for alternative media, was at WTO and worked with local liberal politicians.
QuoteI worked more in liberal causes that you can imagine. I still believe in a lot of those causes but after watching what a hive minded authoritative pile of shit liberalism has become in this country, I can't understand why anyone but marks would subscribe to it.
QuoteAnd in in a couple years when conservatives are back on top, I'll be talking about what a pile of shit conservatism is. The problem is authority and right now liberals have that authority. In a few years, conservatives will have that authority. And on an on it goes, American society is a pendulum.
QuoteSorry I hurt your feelings.
QuoteYou want to replace a bad system with a worse better system.
QuoteIt's this kind of thinking that is really doing this country in.
QuotePolitics are an illusion chum, none of this bullshit matters. I'm sure you have many winning qualities and I mean that non-sarcastically. We're on the same page more than I think we both realize.
QuoteThat's humanity my friend. If you don't take the opportunity you're a sucker because someone else will. And I think it's silly to advocate a system that will somehow fix these flaws when the flaws lie with humanity. The answer isn't to expand the powers of the entity that's largely responsible for fucking it up in the first place.
QuoteIronically according to political charts out of all the 2016 candidates my politics identify most with Bernie Sanders at 82% which I find rather disturbing.
Quote from: VoteQuimby on October 02, 2015, 08:46:54 PMMeh, I don't even care anymore.
Quote from: VoteQuimby on October 02, 2015, 11:18:48 PMMeh... it's just arguing on the internet. After the first round, I don't really see a point in continuing. Would the hour it takes to respond to a page of nonsense really be worth it to me? Not really.
Quote from: paladin1991 on October 03, 2015, 01:03:06 AMI DON'T GIVE A DAMN!Sorry, wrong thread.
Quote from: onan on October 03, 2015, 01:07:01 AMNot giving a damn, may well be amended to the preamble to the constitution.We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, just don't give a damn.It does roll off the tongue easily.
Quote from: onan on October 03, 2015, 12:30:43 AMI tend to agree. However, you and Albrecht seem to think (your words) people that can't get their act together, and (Albrecht's words) weirdos with dead end jobs are responsible for the ruination of your sacred lifestyle. Yet, you both also seem to ignore the corruption that stems from those with affluence and influence. How you can rationalize that level of exploitation of the environment and the poor baffles me.