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Quote from: albrecht on June 16, 2015, 04:01:13 PMIf you believe the argument that humans are people, albeit evolved to a higher state than other animals (except dolphins which, as Norry says, "would be smarter than us if they only had hands," than there is likely subconscious, or even conscious, in most people that prefers members of their own race, clan, family, etc to strangers. Even if just a remnant left over from times of warring clans or fear of others, even if not also fostered by nurture/society to some extent. Oddly some of these social scientists claim blacks, at least in Western societies, they often harbor "racist" views towards themselves subconsciously. I think even Michelle Obama claims some such theory in her various speeches.
Quote from: coaster on June 16, 2015, 07:34:09 PM"If it was asked, I would definitely say I do consider myself to be black.â€ When she applied for a position at the Spokane Police Ombudsman Commission, she claimed she was white, black and American Indian"She knew full well what she was doing. She wasn't pretending to be tan while she worked for the NAACP.
Quote from: SciFiAuthor on June 16, 2015, 02:55:03 PMIf you really look carefully at this case, she actually never claimed to be black or anything beyond having a really bad tan. It was everyone else breathing assumptions and preconceptions into the photo and then it spun out of context and exploded. The underlying truth of what she really meant gets quickly lost in favor of the sensational.The basic fact is, if you view the picture and think she's in blackface and intends a racist message then all it really means is that you have a deep psychological preconception about black people that you are applying to the photo of the girl. In other words, some subconscious primal part of you is inherently racist.
Quote from: DanTSX on June 16, 2015, 11:28:32 PMI would imagine that this is insulting to people that have experienced, and fought racism.And how does one change that primal subconscious racism? Can we even identify it? It seems most are in denial about it. Is it even racism? Or could it just be how we identify ourselves from a tribal perspective? If it is primal and subconscious, it is for noticing sameness, not for desiring to subjugate and control a people,
Quote from: Up All Night on June 17, 2015, 04:42:43 PMhttp://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3127173/Rachel-Dolezal-SEX-TAPE-ex-husband-forced-perform-sex-acts-camera-against-claimed-court-papers.html
Quote from: Juan on June 17, 2015, 06:28:51 PMI worked for the US Census for a few weeks in 2010. Our instructions were to accept whatever racial classification anyone claimed. For instance, I went to one apartment where two young men who said they were brothers lived. They both looked white to me, but one claimed to be white and the other black.
Quote from: Eddie Coyle on June 17, 2015, 09:48:03 PM It appears her parents are zealous Creationists/God Squaders who were fond of adopting kids from Africa. Gee, there's no "my parents suck" issues at hand in this case. BTW, when Rachel was white she looks disturbingly like the skanks from the infamous Avon Films from the Meese Commission Report. Those "dirty" blond porn whores from Central Europe(like her Czech-German origin) who were fond of bestiality, or being fucked with a stump of an amputee or doing Concentration Camp or Mau Mau Uprising gangbang reenactments. That's the type of pig she looks like.
Quote from: chefist on June 17, 2015, 09:54:29 PMGuilt is a powerful tool for manipulating people...religion and politics have used it for centuries...the concept of original sin for Christians on the right, and "white shame" used by the left...it can get people to do wacky things...
Quote from: SciFiAuthor on June 17, 2015, 09:57:59 PMEnormously powerful. Another powerful one is fervor. If you can whip people up into a frenzy you can create a crusade or Ferguson or whatever. You can even do it for personal profit if you're Sharpton or any professional agitator or activist.
Quote from: Eddie Coyle on June 17, 2015, 09:59:11 PM I'm thankful that I was born free of the gene responsible for mental illnesses like Catholic Guilt or White Guilt. I barely feel guilt for shit I actually did wrong, never mind Original Sin.
Quote from: chefist on June 17, 2015, 10:04:40 PMyea me too...I'm a big "do onto others" type of guy...i've screwed up, who hasn't...but the past is a mirage and the future an illusion...so why beat yourself up, let alone allow others to manipulate you...especially to the point you deny your own DNA...
Quote from: Eddie Coyle on June 17, 2015, 10:11:23 PM 11 years of Catholic School pushed me into agnosticism/atheism and joiners/followers are just that. And since we never heard from Pascal again...
Quote from: chefist on June 17, 2015, 10:01:46 PMabsolutely...And the fervor is really how you get people to focus their hate/envy...that's pretty easy to do unfortunately...
Quote from: albrecht on June 17, 2015, 10:23:26 PMActually, I've found that the worst 'offenders,' though that is not a precise term, maybe 'true believers' or 'zealots' is better (of any faith, church, cult, subculture, even political, etc) are the late-joiners. The preacher's daughter usually ends up partying the most in high school but usually turning out ok even. It is those kids who never had to go to Sunday school, CCD, madrasses (I might take that one back), etc early who later fall into, big-time with true believing attitude, some cult, church, subculture, etc and go full-bore into it- especially during some crisis-time (time of big change, not that all are really a crisis on par with each other) in life (being bullied in school, going to college, getting divorced, coming back from a war, trying to quit booze/drugs, etc.) I actually will apply it also to Islam now, thinking about it, as many of the incidents (at least in Western countries) are from new converts (in prison, as malcontented teens, etc.)
Quote from: Eddie Coyle on June 17, 2015, 10:35:50 PMThey "proud warriors" of Allah, with an EBT card waiting to get filled up on the first of month.
Quote from: SciFiAuthor on June 17, 2015, 10:25:51 PMI'm actually thankful for 8 years of Catholic school specifically BECAUSE it pushed me to agnosticism.
Quote from: Eddie Coyle on June 17, 2015, 10:40:29 PM I was fully agnostic by 6th grade. Unfortunately, it would be another 4 years until those schools finally lost faith in me. Which says a lot, considering the tuition...
Quote from: Eddie Coyle on June 17, 2015, 10:35:50 PM The Nation of Islam, aka "Prislam", has dominated Prison Politics for 50+ years and eventually hoodwinked their way into getting government grants(so much for self-determination) in the 70's and is legitimized by our demented ruling elites, including countless Christian denominations who are gutless ostriches. There's no Marcus Garvey or Kwame Toure instincts in these pests. They "proud warriors" of Allah, with an EBT card waiting to get filled up on the first of month. The AA crowd seems to lead to inevitable Damascene Roads as well. Many of my former drunken cohorts are born again types. Ugh.
Quote from: SciFiAuthor on June 17, 2015, 10:53:19 PMI was agnostic by 8th grade and never looked back. Oddly though, I consulted one of the priests when I was questioning everything and when I asked "Do you really think there is a God?" he looked at me and said "Kid, I haven't a clue". I should point out though that my eduction there was actually pretty good. I was miles ahead of public school when I switched to a public high school.
Quote from: chefist on June 17, 2015, 10:46:02 PMI grew up Jehovah's Witness until age 10...that was enough to make me not want to step inside a "house of worship" again....
Quote from: SciFiAuthor on June 17, 2015, 10:53:19 PM[/size]I was agnostic by 8th grade and never looked back. Oddly though, I consulted one of the priests when I was questioning everything and when I asked "Do you really think there is a God?" he looked at me and said "Kid, I haven't a clue". I should point out though that my eduction there was actually pretty good. I was miles ahead of public school when I switched to a public high school.
Quote from: Eddie Coyle on June 17, 2015, 11:19:21 PM My teachers were Jesuits, who my Opus Dei uncle deemed "The Commies of Catholicism".