What are social justice warriors losing their shit about today?

[SciFiAuthor]

If you believe the argument that humans are people, albeit evolved to a higher state than other animals (except dolphins which, as Norry says, "would be smarter than us if they only had hands," than there is likely subconscious, or even conscious, in most people that prefers members of their own race, clan, family, etc to strangers. Even if just a remnant left over from times of warring clans or fear of others, even if not also fostered by nurture/society to some extent. Oddly some of these social scientists claim blacks, at least in Western societies, they often harbor "racist" views towards themselves subconsciously. I think even Michelle Obama claims some such theory in her various speeches.

Exactly. Absolute truth is not something humans have a very easy time arriving at. The sooner we, as a species, realize that, the better off we would be politically. But because of various psychological blocks within us, we become liberals, conservatives, free-thinkers, fag-haters, feminists, racists, racists against our own color, etc.

I've always maintained that if people just took a step back every now and again and examined what influences them politically and really analyze it and then take look at the politicians we have, they would figure out that they've made some serious voting errors.

[SciFiAuthor]

"If it was asked, I would definitely say I do consider myself to be black.” When she applied for a position at the Spokane Police Ombudsman Commission, she claimed she was white, black and American Indian"
She knew full well what she was doing. She wasn't pretending to be tan while she worked for the NAACP.

Wrong case, I'm talking about the high school yearbook photo.

[SciFiAuthor]

In regards to Rachel Dolezal, I have no comment. Just a nutcase.

[DanTSX]

If you really look carefully at this case, she actually never claimed to be black or anything beyond having a really bad tan. It was everyone else breathing assumptions and preconceptions into the photo and then it spun out of context and exploded. The underlying truth of what she really meant gets quickly lost in favor of the sensational.

The basic fact is, if you view the picture and think she's in blackface and intends a racist message then all it really means is that you have a deep psychological preconception about black people that you are applying to the photo of the girl. In other words, some subconscious primal part of you is inherently racist.

I would imagine that this is insulting to people that have experienced, and fought racism.

And how does one change that primal subconscious racism?  Can we even identify it?  It seems most are in denial about it.  Is it even racism?  Or could it just be how we identify ourselves from a tribal perspective?  If it is primal and subconscious, it is for noticing sameness, not for desiring to subjugate and control a people,

[SciFiAuthor]

I would imagine that this is insulting to people that have experienced, and fought racism.

And how does one change that primal subconscious racism?  Can we even identify it?  It seems most are in denial about it.  Is it even racism?  Or could it just be how we identify ourselves from a tribal perspective?  If it is primal and subconscious, it is for noticing sameness, not for desiring to subjugate and control a people,

No, it would be insulting to people that are looking for racism in order to confront it. That's when you start seeing things that aren't there.

I doubt you could change the subconscious primal racism. There is a drive within humanity to always create an us vs. them atmosphere. We do it constantly, even to the point of farce as with this poor high school girl with a bad tan. As a result we have liberal and conservative politics, racism, and any number of conflict-related things. People love conflict. All of fiction is based on the rule of conflict, conflict, conflict. The only way out is to try to identify just where suggestion plays a part; how does the pop culture, politicians, media, movements etc. trigger those subconscious motives within ourselves?

Actually, it turns out it's pretty easy. Any decent writer can do it. So can professional activists, etc.  And you can make a shitload of money doing it if you figure out the right angle. Al Gore totally pulled it off with his climate change movie.

[Up All Night]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3127173/Rachel-Dolezal-SEX-TAPE-ex-husband-forced-perform-sex-acts-camera-against-claimed-court-papers.html

[albrecht]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3127173/Rachel-Dolezal-SEX-TAPE-ex-husband-forced-perform-sex-acts-camera-against-claimed-court-papers.html

Alas, there is a reality show in the works and she already has, apparently, cried on camera during an interview and claiming she is bisexual and thinks what Bruce Jenner did was empowering. As I predicted, now even basic things as "race" will be self-determined by whatever you "identify as." In following with the cultural Marxism and political correctness movements step-by-step process. I wonder though, if race, like sexual orientation, gender, etc is all a "social construct" and determined by "self-identification" how all those quota programs, social programs, and affirmative action plans will be impacted? Could a white student, as this womyn, has claim they are black and instantly get scholarships, grants, free stuff, and then a job?

[Juan]

I worked for the US Census for a few weeks in 2010.  Our instructions were to accept whatever racial classification anyone claimed.  For instance, I went to one apartment where two young men who said they were brothers lived.  They both looked white to me, but one claimed to be white and the other black.

[albrecht]

I worked for the US Census for a few weeks in 2010.  Our instructions were to accept whatever racial classification anyone claimed.  For instance, I went to one apartment where two young men who said they were brothers lived.  They both looked white to me, but one claimed to be white and the other black.

Admittedly it is much more problematic that in the past and certain things ("hispanic" for example) is not a race but an ethnicity. And race itself can become problematic, especially in these politically-correct times and after many decades (if not forever of race-mixing.) One could get bogged down into minutiae, like the Spanish, did with "octarrons" and so forth or go a "one drop" theory etc.) A better solution would be to stop recording at all. Why bother? Except for a few medical conditions, there is no scientific reason to record and focus on race so much, especially in a census. The question has been solved with regard to 3/5 Compromise, citizenship of non-whites, slavery, etc. Simply record how many citizens live here. How many non-citizens (and then roundup and deport the non-citizens if they don't have the proper VISA, green-card, or court order.)

The only reason to focus/record race so is for either marketing purposes, for realtor's sales pitches, for "social outrage" groups to protest something, or for government spending and give-away programs. Both of which should be done away with- or at least done by private entities not with tax-payer money.

[Eddie Coyle]

   It appears her parents are zealous Creationists/God Squaders who were fond of adopting kids from Africa. Gee, there's no "my parents suck" issues at hand in this case.


   BTW, when Rachel was white she looks disturbingly like the skanks from the infamous Avon Films from the Meese Commission Report. Those "dirty" blond porn whores from Central Europe(like her Czech-German origin) who were fond of bestiality, or being fucked with a stump of an amputee or doing Concentration Camp or Mau Mau Uprising gangbang reenactments. That's the type of pig she looks like.

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   It appears her parents are zealous Creationists/God Squaders who were fond of adopting kids from Africa. Gee, there's no "my parents suck" issues at hand in this case.


   BTW, when Rachel was white she looks disturbingly like the skanks from the infamous Avon Films from the Meese Commission Report. Those "dirty" blond porn whores from Central Europe(like her Czech-German origin) who were fond of bestiality, or being fucked with a stump of an amputee or doing Concentration Camp or Mau Mau Uprising gangbang reenactments. That's the type of pig she looks like.

Guilt is a powerful tool for manipulating people...religion and politics have used it for centuries...the concept of original sin for Christians on the right, and "white shame" used by the left...it can get people to do wacky things...

[SciFiAuthor]

Guilt is a powerful tool for manipulating people...religion and politics have used it for centuries...the concept of original sin for Christians on the right, and "white shame" used by the left...it can get people to do wacky things...

Enormously powerful. Another powerful one is fervor. If you can whip people up into a frenzy you can create a crusade or Ferguson or whatever. You can even do it for personal profit if you're Sharpton or any professional agitator or activist.

[Eddie Coyle]

Guilt is a powerful tool for manipulating people...religion and politics have used it for centuries...the concept of original sin for Christians on the right, and "white shame" used by the left...it can get people to do wacky things...

   I'm thankful that I was born free of the gene responsible for mental illnesses like Catholic Guilt or White Guilt. I barely feel guilt for shit I actually did wrong, never mind Original Sin.

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Enormously powerful. Another powerful one is fervor. If you can whip people up into a frenzy you can create a crusade or Ferguson or whatever. You can even do it for personal profit if you're Sharpton or any professional agitator or activist.

absolutely...And the fervor is really how you get people to focus their hate/envy...that's pretty easy to do unfortunately...

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   I'm thankful that I was born free of the gene responsible for mental illnesses like Catholic Guilt or White Guilt. I barely feel guilt for shit I actually did wrong, never mind Original Sin.

yea me too...I'm a big "do onto others" type of guy...i've screwed up, who hasn't...but the past is a mirage and the future an illusion...so why beat yourself up, let alone allow others to manipulate you...especially to the point you deny your own DNA...

[Eddie Coyle]

yea me too...I'm a big "do onto others" type of guy...i've screwed up, who hasn't...but the past is a mirage and the future an illusion...so why beat yourself up, let alone allow others to manipulate you...especially to the point you deny your own DNA...

    11 years of Catholic School pushed me into agnosticism/atheism and joiners/followers are just that. And since we never heard from Pascal again...

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    11 years of Catholic School pushed me into agnosticism/atheism and joiners/followers are just that. And since we never heard from Pascal again...

...who else haven't we heard from...Houdini, Edison...some others that said they would "communicate" from beyond...

[albrecht]

    11 years of Catholic School pushed me into agnosticism/atheism and joiners/followers are just that. And since we never heard from Pascal again...

Actually, I've found that the worst 'offenders,' though that is not a precise term, maybe 'true believers' or 'zealots' is better (of any faith, church, cult, subculture, even political, etc) are the late-joiners. The preacher's daughter usually ends up partying the most in high school but usually turning out ok even. It is those kids who never had to go to Sunday school, CCD, madrasses (I might take that one back), etc early who later fall into, big-time with true believing attitude, some cult, church, subculture, etc and go full-bore into it- especially during some crisis-time (time of big change, not that all are really a crisis on par with each other) in life (being bullied in school, going to college, getting divorced, coming back from a war, trying to quit booze/drugs, etc.)  I actually will apply it also to Islam now, thinking about it, as many of the incidents (at least in Western countries) are from new converts (in prison, as malcontented teens, etc.)

This can be innoucuous, of course. And even do society, or themselves, some good. But also it can be the very opposite and do themselves, and society, much damage depending on what "group" they decide to join or adhere to.

[SciFiAuthor]

absolutely...And the fervor is really how you get people to focus their hate/envy...that's pretty easy to do unfortunately...

Really goes to show that humans really are "programmable". And to be honest, our entire political system is based on programing at this point. True, real, free thought is at an all-time low.

[SciFiAuthor]

    11 years of Catholic School pushed me into agnosticism/atheism and joiners/followers are just that. And since we never heard from Pascal again...

I'm actually thankful for 8 years of Catholic school specifically BECAUSE it pushed me to agnosticism.

[Yorkshire pud]

I worked for the US Census for a few weeks in 2010.  Our instructions were to accept whatever racial classification anyone claimed.  For instance, I went to one apartment where two young men who said they were brothers lived.  They both looked white to me, but one claimed to be white and the other black.

That is possible. Same mother different father.

[Eddie Coyle]

Actually, I've found that the worst 'offenders,' though that is not a precise term, maybe 'true believers' or 'zealots' is better (of any faith, church, cult, subculture, even political, etc) are the late-joiners. The preacher's daughter usually ends up partying the most in high school but usually turning out ok even. It is those kids who never had to go to Sunday school, CCD, madrasses (I might take that one back), etc early who later fall into, big-time with true believing attitude, some cult, church, subculture, etc and go full-bore into it- especially during some crisis-time (time of big change, not that all are really a crisis on par with each other) in life (being bullied in school, going to college, getting divorced, coming back from a war, trying to quit booze/drugs, etc.)  I actually will apply it also to Islam now, thinking about it, as many of the incidents (at least in Western countries) are from new converts (in prison, as malcontented teens, etc.)

      The Nation of Islam, aka "Prislam", has dominated Prison Politics for 50+ years and eventually hoodwinked their way into getting government grants(so much for self-determination) in the 70's and is legitimized by our demented ruling elites, including countless Christian denominations who are gutless ostriches. There's no Marcus Garvey or Kwame Toure instincts in these pests. They "proud warriors" of Allah, with an EBT card waiting to get filled up on the first of month.


      The AA crowd seems to lead to inevitable Damascene Roads as well. Many of my former drunken cohorts are born again types. Ugh.

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They "proud warriors" of Allah, with an EBT card waiting to get filled up on the first of month.

I know of them and some other religious groups that do the same thing, they call it several things, "reparations" or "bleeding the beast"...

[Eddie Coyle]

I'm actually thankful for 8 years of Catholic school specifically BECAUSE it pushed me to agnosticism.

   I was fully agnostic by 6th grade. Unfortunately, it would be another 4 years until those schools finally lost faith in me. Which says a lot, considering the tuition...

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   I was fully agnostic by 6th grade. Unfortunately, it would be another 4 years until those schools finally lost faith in me. Which says a lot, considering the tuition...

I grew up Jehovah's Witness until age 10...that was enough to make me not want to step inside a "house of worship" again....

[SciFiAuthor]

   I was fully agnostic by 6th grade. Unfortunately, it would be another 4 years until those schools finally lost faith in me. Which says a lot, considering the tuition...

I was agnostic by 8th grade and never looked back. Oddly though, I consulted one of the priests when I was questioning everything and when I asked "Do you really think there is a God?" he looked at me and said "Kid, I haven't a clue". 

I should point out though that my eduction there was actually pretty good. I was miles ahead of public school when I switched to a public high school.

[albrecht]

      The Nation of Islam, aka "Prislam", has dominated Prison Politics for 50+ years and eventually hoodwinked their way into getting government grants(so much for self-determination) in the 70's and is legitimized by our demented ruling elites, including countless Christian denominations who are gutless ostriches. There's no Marcus Garvey or Kwame Toure instincts in these pests. They "proud warriors" of Allah, with an EBT card waiting to get filled up on the first of month.


      The AA crowd seems to lead to inevitable Damascene Roads as well. Many of my former drunken cohorts are born again types. Ugh.

Lest I be considered a bad guy, but one does wonder how our country would be, if the whole "back to Africa" movement (of various types: both as plans by whites for resettlement of slaves, which was an awful system, or during various "power" or "awakening" movements in black, and whites, would have been successful or really carried out?  Not because "blacks" can't function, ignoring much of the continent of Africa now, but simply for humanitarian reasons and in keeping with political correctness?

[albrecht]

I was agnostic by 8th grade and never looked back. Oddly though, I consulted one of the priests when I was questioning everything and when I asked "Do you really think there is a God?" he looked at me and said "Kid, I haven't a clue". 

I should point out though that my eduction there was actually pretty good. I was miles ahead of public school when I switched to a public high school.

Yes. Though there are some still some public schools that are good if nothing else the parochial schools taught one to think. Even if during indoctrination. Besides order, which is now lacking in many public schools. Call it what you want BUT it was the "evil" church(es) who also preserved a lot of ancient knowledge, formal logic, languages, etc that brought about the Renaissance and, even in modern times, keeps preserving it- at least to an extent. I argue even the basics of "Sunday School" etc are important- not necessarily for truth or belief but, at minimum, so one understands the "basics." One can't understand the greatest literary works, or history, without some basic understanding of it. All is not video games and crap. And you can't read literature or understand history (or politics even) or society (or yourself maybe) without understanding what came before.

[Eddie Coyle]

I grew up Jehovah's Witness until age 10...that was enough to make me not want to step inside a "house of worship" again....

   Kid I grew up with had a Catholic father and Jehovah's mother. When they got divorced, his father basically gave him anything he wanted for X-Mas/birthdays...but he had to keep the things at his father's house. This kid was the first with Nintendo in our neighborhood, but only on weekends. Then he went back to his mother's and stared at a wall for fun. [size=78%]

[/size]I was agnostic by 8th grade and never looked back. Oddly though, I consulted one of the priests when I was questioning everything and when I asked "Do you really think there is a God?" he looked at me and said "Kid, I haven't a clue". 

I should point out though that my eduction there was actually pretty good. I was miles ahead of public school when I switched to a public high school.

     Same here, my 2.5 in Honors courses at Catholic school, literally gave me a 5 month jump in public school, so I could graduate in December. In Catholic school, a class of 30 had 30 books. In Public, it was 10 books for 40 kids.

     My teachers were Jesuits, who my Opus Dei uncle deemed "The Commies of Catholicism".

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        My teachers were Jesuits, who my Opus Dei uncle deemed "The Commies of Catholicism".

OMG Opus Dei...did he have the cat o nine tails? Talk about guilt manipulation...

yea no X-mas till I was around 16 or so, my Mom left them several years before but took her a bit to start getting into the holiday spirit...and washing off their guilt and influence...