NFL may pull the plug on AZ Super Bowl if anti-gay bill passes

[The General]

This goes to proving my point about you conservatives.
You are all a bunch of bad-ass wannabes who express your frustration with your falling position in the world with gaudy, opulent, and, yes, careless displays of flash and bragadoccio. 
You get turned on by displays of aggression, which appeals to your acquisitive natureand sense of self importance.
You show Putin on an oversize tricycle, no helmet, and I'll be damned if a little chest isn't coming through, in contrast to the President, pedaling along on his bike, helmet and all.
Putin is reckless and shows no foresight; Obama is pragmatic and careful.
End result? Victory Obama.

They're both communists.  At least Putin admits it. 
One of them is also a Nationalist.  I wish it were Obama.
We need a Nationalist "Borders, language, and culture" president in the worst way.

[NowhereInTime]

They're both communists.  At least Putin admits it. 
One of them is also a Nationalist.  I wish it were Obama.
We need a Nationalist "Borders, language, and culture" president in the worst way.

Neither is a "communist".  Putin is a thug KGB gangster who doesn't have the mental faculties to deal with world events  Obama is a pragmatist who doesn't care if the white elite hates his approach to foriegn policy.  Though, I find it interesting after Obama's endorsement and execution of TARP that you would consider him a "communist"
I agree we need to codify a "common language", much like China has, and it should be English.  But real English, not that mush mouth crap southerners speak. 

[wr250]

Neither is a "communist".  Putin is a thug KGB gangster who doesn't have the mental faculties to deal with world events  Obama is a pragmatist who doesn't care if the white elite hates his approach to foriegn policy.  Though, I find it interesting after Obama's endorsement and execution of TARP that you would consider him a "communist"
I agree we need to codify a "common language", much like China has, and it should be English.  But real English, not that mush mouth crap southerners speak.

well tarp was a bush program. glad to see you finally are endorsing a bush era program. signed by george bush on oct 3 2008. yes 0bama has endorsed tarp, along with many other bush ideas.
hmmm george bushspeak, george nooryspeak , there are no coinshidences. but is it good enough engrish for nowhere in time?

[The General]

Neither is a "communist".  Putin is a thug KGB gangster who doesn't have the mental faculties to deal with world events  Obama is a pragmatist who doesn't care if the white elite hates his approach to foriegn policy.  Though, I find it interesting after Obama's endorsement and execution of TARP that you would consider him a "communist"

God, you're naive.  You don't get to be the head of the KGB unless you're a brilliant strategist and a cunning political genius capable of outmaneuvering some of the smartest people on earth. He's playing chess and Obama is playing checkers.  You're playing 'Go Fish' with a deck short a few cards.

I agree we need to codify a "common language", much like China has, and it should be English.  But real English, not that mush mouth crap southerners speak.

May I assume, since you see everything through a lens of race, that you are speaking about our Brown friends in the south?  Or do you only make fun of the way White southerners talk?

[NowhereInTime]

God, you're naive.  You don't get to be the head of the KGB unless you're a brilliant strategist and a cunning political genius capable of outmaneuvering some of the smartest people on earth. He's playing chess and Obama is playing checkers.  You're playing 'Go Fish.'

May I assume, since you see everything through a lens of race, that you are speaking about our Brown friends in the south?  Or do you only make fun of the way White southerners talk?

And you're posturing.  Naive?  Hardly.  Read Viktor Suvorov's "Inside the Aquarium" and tell me how "brilliant" the KGB was.   Hell, read any insiders' books about the machinations of the KGB and you will realize there's a reason USSR rotted away from the inside.  Sorry, General, but that was a very misinformed opinion based on preconception.

I make fun of the way all Southerners talk.  I just don't understand how or why they put themselves through those vernacular gyrations (including Governor Jindal and W., who was born here in CT) to produce that twangy, gulpy effect.  It's almost as annoying as that hard-ass South Boston mess made popular by the sudden flush of Boston team victories. (and Matt Damon)
I live 2 hours from Boston and you don't hear it until you get right up to the city.  Or the Red sox win the World Series.

[NowhereInTime]

well tarp was a bush program. glad to see you finally are endorsing a bush era program. signed by george bush on oct 3 2008. yes 0bama has endorsed tarp, along with many other bush ideas.
hmmm george bushspeak, george nooryspeak , there are no coinshidences. but is it good enough engrish for nowhere in time?

Actually, I'm not endorsing it.  Oh, I won't lie, I bought Hank Paulson and Tim Geithner's "worse case scenario" bulls**t and I am embarassed now.  It would have liberated this economy to destroy the casinos of Wall Street.  I had faith that the host of financial products (CDO's, CDS's, mortgage bond tranches, quant trading, etc,) that had NOTHING to do with growing our businesses, housing, or jobs would have been legislated away, but in that I was naive.  The best we got was Dodd Frank, and even that's already been run roughshod over.

[Yorkshire pud]

They're both communists.  At least Putin admits it. 
One of them is also a Nationalist.  I wish it were Obama.
We need a Nationalist "Borders, language, and culture" president in the worst way.

As a matter of curiosity, what do you think the definition of Communist is? Is it the one used by the western world to garner support against the old Soviet union, or is it the one that Communists themselves define themselves as?
Puitin nor Obama are Communists. Putin has a great deal of his own money in the western banking system. As have the other corrupt oligarchs and mafia bosses.. If the west want to hurt Russia over the Crimea issue, the way to do it is to freeze those assets and suspend travel permissions of those same oligarchs and mafia bosses. Putin would very quickly capitulate, as his popularity back home would fall like a dropped Steinway.

To describe Obama as a Communist is laughable. I don't see him (Nor any other western leader) in a boiler suit down and dirty with the workers, advocating everyone top down , earning the same salary.

[PB the Deplorable]

... I don't see him (Nor any other western leader) in a boiler suit down and dirty with the workers, advocating everyone top down , earning the same salary.

You're right.  He wants to redistribute it after it's been earned.

You know, 'spread the wealth around'.  What do you think ObamaCare is all about?

[Yorkshire pud]

You're right.  He wants to redistribute it after it's been earned.

You know, 'spread the wealth around'.  What do you think ObamaCare is all about?

I thought 'Obamacare' was all about those who couldn't afford to not die from preventable and treatable ailments because of their lack of wealth and access to affordable insurance, erm, having access to health care.

It still doesn't make him a Communist though..I know desperately you want it to be so, but it isn't.

[PB the Deplorable]

I thought 'Obamacare' was all about those who couldn't afford to not die from preventable and treatable ailments because of their lack of wealth and access to affordable insurance, erm, having access to health care...

If it was about that, those are the areas that would have been addressed instead of the entire healthcare insurance system.

If it was about that, he would have gone back to Congress to try to fix it when he realized it was a disaster - instead of just (illegally) pushing the worst of it past the next election cycle by decree.

There are millions more without healthcare insurance than there were before it went into effect.  And millions more on the way to losing theirs. 


I know you and others desperately want Obama to be just another run-of-the-mill Democrat, but he isn't

[Yorkshire pud]

I know you and others desperately want Obama to be just another run-of-the-mill Democrat, but he isn't

I can't speak for others, but I don't give a shit if he's a Democrat, Republican or whatever else. But it still doesn't make him a Communist.

[PB the Deplorable]

I can't speak for others, but I don't give a shit if he's a Democrat, Republican or whatever else. But it still doesn't make him a Communist.

He's whatever Robert Mugabe is

[PB the Deplorable]

In fact I do. Do you ever listen to "On Point" with Tom Ashbrook?  It's on NPR daily and today featured David Ignatius from the Washington Post   and Kori Schake from the Hoover Institution ...

Libs and Neocons - they've been nothing if not clairvoyant when it comes to foreign affairs over the years.  I wonder if Putin listens to the show.

[wr250]

I thought 'Obamacare' was all about those who couldn't afford to not die from preventable and treatable ailments because of their lack of wealth and access to affordable insurance, erm, having access to health care.

It still doesn't make him a Communist though..I know desperately you want it to be so, but it isn't.

no, he wants those that have, to pay for those that have not. its called charity, and since he didnt think enough people were being charitable, he decided that people volunteer better by force.

[Yorkshire pud]

no, he wants those that have, to pay for those that have not. its called charity, and since he didnt think enough people were being charitable, he decided that people volunteer better by force.

So you'd prefer that you just have a cull? Damn poor people being ill and dying with curable diseases, it's just natural selection goddamit, eh?

[Yorkshire pud]

He's whatever Robert Mugabe is

You really haven't a clue who Mugabe is, if you compare him with Obama...Ahhh, it's the black thing, I get it.

[wr250]

So you'd prefer that you just have a cull? Damn poor people being ill and dying with curable diseases, it's just natural selection goddamit, eh?

got to die of something. btw there was already a program in place to put healthcare in the hands of the poor. it was called the "welfare system" and while not perfect by any means, it provided health insurance to all below the poverty line. also most hospitals have programs to help those in need, all you had to do is ask, and they would send someone in to help you apply for it.the problem was and still is, people dont find a way to pay for their health care, or dont bother to care for themselves enough to be reasonably healthy(yes shit happens im talking about obviously preventable stuff) . why should i be arsed to take care of someone who obviously didnt take care of themselves?

obviously preventable stuff:
smoking
drinking
(note that smoking and drinking with their associated health issues cost the vast majority of health care expenses)
diet consists of poor food choices such as soda and high fat foods, gluttony (not overweight  as there are genetic and other non avoidable causes for this) 
lifestyle choices also have high health care costs

[NowhereInTime]

You know, 'spread the wealth around'.  What do you think ObamaCare is all about?

Protecting the American people from all enemies, foreign and domestic, including unnecessary death and destituition from preventable and curable maladies.
But you hate the American people (you know, if they don't own businesses) so you wouldn't get it.

[NowhereInTime]

Libs and Neocons - they've been nothing if not clairvoyant when it comes to foreign affairs over the years.  I wonder if Putin listens to the show.

If he did he'd know he's made a grave miscalculation and should save face by declaring the "safety of Russian peoples everywhere" and withdraw. 
But he isn't that smart.  He's a gangster.

[NowhereInTime]

got to die of something. btw there was already a program in place to put healthcare in the hands of the poor. it was called the "welfare system" and while not perfect by any means, it provided health insurance to all below the poverty line. also most hospitals have programs to help those in need, all you had to do is ask, and they would send someone in to help you apply for it.the problem was and still is, people dont find a way to pay for their health care, or dont bother to care for themselves enough to be reasonably healthy(yes shit happens im talking about obviously preventable stuff) . why should i be arsed to take  care of someone who obviously didnt take care of themselves?

obviously preventable stuff:
smoking
drinking
(note that smoking and drinking with their associated health issues cost the vast majority of health care expenses)
diet consists of poor food choices such as soda and high fat foods, gluttony (not overweight  as there are genetic and other non avoidable causes for this) 
lifestyle choices also have high health care costs

Ah, the well-to-do's refrain, "Why should I...?"
Because your entire assertion is wrong.  Hospitals help people either because they are legally compelled to and/or they have a charitable mission.  However, the biggest reason for exploding medical costs is the number of people going to the hospital for primary care, taxing ER's and medical supplies for, essentially, "frree care".   
But it isn't free, as reflected in skyrocketing costs.  Someone, somewhere, has to pay.
Obamacare is mandating that people have some coverage, even if it is supplemented, or pay a fine into a coverage pool to offset the costs incurred by hospitals (in particular) due to all of the walk-in issues.  In other words, personal repsonsibility.  Shouldn't you have a little conservative stiffy at that idea?  After all, Obamacare is a Republican plan.
As to your limited list, do you consider MS preventable? Leukemia? MD? Treacher Collins? I'm amazed sometimes how daft so many people are to the encumberances our medical system really has to undertake. 

[wr250]

Ah, the well-to-do's refrain, "Why should I...?"
Because your entire assertion is wrong.  Hospitals help people either because they are legally compelled to and/or they have a charitable mission.  However, the biggest reason for exploding medical costs is the number of people going to the hospital for primary care, taxing ER's and medical supplies for, essentially, "frree care".   
But it isn't free, as reflected in skyrocketing costs.  Someone, somewhere, has to pay.
Obamacare is mandating that people have some coverage, even if it is supplemented, or pay a fine into a coverage pool to offset the costs incurred by hospitals (in particular) due to all of the walk-in issues.  In other words, personal repsonsibility.  Shouldn't you have a little conservative stiffy at that idea?  After all, Obamacare is a Republican plan.
As to your limited list, do you consider MS preventable? Leukemia? MD? Treacher Collins? I'm amazed sometimes how daft so many people are to the encumberances our medical system really has to undertake.

i deleted my original post and i guess since you are entrenched in your ideas, you will not understand. have a good day sir.

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not sure what this has to  do with nfl pulling out of AZ but eh, whatever

[PB the Deplorable]

You really haven't a clue who Mugabe is, if you compare him with Obama...Ahhh, it's the black thing, I get it.

Perhaps it's you who doesn't quite get who Obama is

[Yorkshire pud]

got to die of something. btw there was already a program in place to put healthcare in the hands of the poor. it was called the "welfare system" and while not perfect by any means, it provided health insurance to all below the poverty line. also most hospitals have programs to help those in need, all you had to do is ask, and they would send someone in to help you apply for it.the problem was and still is, people dont find a way to pay for their health care, or dont bother to care for themselves enough to be reasonably healthy(yes shit happens im talking about obviously preventable stuff) . why should i be arsed to take care of someone who obviously didnt take care of themselves?

obviously preventable stuff:
smoking
drinking
(note that smoking and drinking with their associated health issues cost the vast majority of health care expenses)
diet consists of poor food choices such as soda and high fat foods, gluttony (not overweight  as there are genetic and other non avoidable causes for this) 
lifestyle choices also have high health care costs

I actually agree with you when it comes to prevention being better than a cure; But can you imagine the uproar if (insert admin of choice) if tomorrow tobacco and booze had a blanket 40% tax increase on top of what it is now, with the proceeds ring fenced for medical purposes? And while we're at it; What about a can of Coke/Pepsi etc being a mandatory $10 each? In fact anything with sugar in it's recipe being taxed at 50% and the proceed ring fenced into diabetes research? McD and all fast food taxed at 50%, all proceeds being put into obesity reduction and finance the promotion of fresh fruit and veg and supplying it to the poor?

Doing the above would substantially reduce the health risks you outline, but it won't happen because there will be shouts of 'I don't need no stinking tax on my smokes and booze and fatty/sugar filled diet' Reap what you sow...If the desire is to wean people off the crap that will kill them, then it can't be done by any other means than make good stuff financially more attractive.

[Yorkshire pud]

Perhaps it's you who doesn't quite get who Obama is

Oh, I see, Obama has had people murdered who oppose him; Has sent armed thugs to those who might vote against him; but those same people have reconsidered their position and voted the right way after all, and still have all four limbs?

[FightTheFuture]

You really haven't a clue who Mugabe is, if you compare him with Obama...Ahhh, it's the black thing, I get it.(my emphasis)

Heh...another disgusting, race-baiting coward shows their true colors.

You must be a  raaaaaaaaaaccccccccccccccccccccccissssst for having an issue with the President.

[PB the Deplorable]

I actually agree with you when it comes to prevention being better than a cure; But can you imagine the uproar if (insert admin of choice) if tomorrow tobacco and booze had a blanket 40% tax increase on top of what it is now, with the proceeds ring fenced for medical purposes? And while we're at it; What about a can of Coke/Pepsi etc being a mandatory $10 each? In fact anything with sugar in it's recipe being taxed at 50% and the proceed ring fenced into diabetes research? McD and all fast food taxed at 50%, all proceeds being put into obesity reduction and finance the promotion of fresh fruit and veg and supplying it to the poor?

Doing the above would substantially reduce the health risks you outline, but it won't happen because there will be shouts of 'I don't need no stinking tax on my smokes and booze and fatty/sugar filled diet' Reap what you sow...If the desire is to wean people off the crap that will kill them, then it can't be done by any other means than make good stuff financially more attractive.

Here's an idea - leave people alone to make their own decisions, and let them support themselves through life

[PB the Deplorable]

Oh, I see, Obama has had people murdered who oppose him; Has sent armed thugs to those who might vote against him; but those same people have reconsidered their position and voted the right way after all, and still have all four limbs?

They are in two completely different systems and must operate differently.  Same mentality.

[NowhereInTime]

i deleted my original post and i guess since you are entrenched in your ideas, you will not understand. have a good day sir.

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not sure what this has to  do with nfl pulling out of AZ but eh, whatever

This is the current "brawl-du-jour" thread.
Yes, I am entrenched in my ideas when it comes to having people be cared for; I have never understood how that's "wrong".

[NowhereInTime]

Here's an idea - leave people alone to make their own decisions, and let them support themselves through life

Yes, let's leave people alone.  No more employment records, criminal histories, credit reports, driving records.  Give people an actual chance (or second chance) at life.  Let people get off the canvas of generations of poverty, racism, economic discrimination, going to the "wrong" school, and staggering debt.  Let's eliminate inherited wealth that gives some immediate privilege over others.  If some have to support themselves then all should have to support themselves.  Would make for a fair fight.
Let them have jobs that will permit them to support themselves, so long as the oligarchs don't draw pricing of commodities so far out of reach as to force people to choose between fuel and food. Let there be actual fairness in the markets that don't hedge against the common citizen. Let's have transparency of financial products, food ingredients, surveillance operations. Let's do away with the burdensome, one-sided nature of contracts that create hardship and disadvantage to one party.
I agree.

[NowhereInTime]

They are in two completely different systems and must operate differently.  Same mentality.

So P*B has stumbled onto a new political operating system: "Two systems; same mentality."
Good stuff.