Art Bell Quits Dark Matter

[maren]

.........and I think to mysellllfff......what a wonderful world.

WAAAHH! I just want him back!

Yeah, bottom line, that's all I want, too.   

[Jocko Johnson]

I can't believe Jorch was even stupid enough to mention how he and Art could have both been on 104.  Oh, yeah, that would have just been "shwell."  :  What a shameless twit.

OR...Souper...I Love it... ok less go to Tammy hiss got a texaz missage for me?    Preducea Tammy you have a missage from Arf Bells...he saz he wants to do what to me???
     yep but don't you mean he is a twat?

[Yorkshire pud]

I'm not referring to Art's latest endeavor. I'm referring to Art creating Coast to Coast AM which Snoory inherited with little or no effort on his part.

I'm no fan of GN by any means but he's not the first and won't be the last to take up the reins that someone else let go. People come and go from all walks of life. No-one is irreplaceable. No, not even Art Bell.

[Job]

Yes. The suits negotiate, not the broadcaster. This is not on George as much you may wish it were.

The other guy is of no consequence.  He is just filler--proof that the public will accept whatever we are supposed to accept.  Art Bell sort of quit, in a way.  We used to call it being "forced out".  If he stayed, they'd make sure that the show would degenerate into mediocrity and he'd have to retire with a whimper.  This way, there is a chance for him to come back and do some more great radio. Even if it has to be commercial-free narrow-casting for a while,  it can still be great radio.  The best anywhere.

[TheGrimCreeper1]

Blazing a trail to....encouraging people to spend money on a receiver many of whom did so specifically for Art Bell, who six weeks later pulled the plug...yep, blazing a trail alright! With positive moves like that, you sure can do without the bad bits eh?

No one made you buy anything. If you don't want your equipment anymore, might I suggest eBay? I happened to have old equipment on hand that SXM offered to reactivate @ $25.00 for six months of service. Since there's other programming I enjoy on SXM, I consider it a wash.

[steelbot]

OR...Souper...I Love it... ok less go to Tammy hiss got a texaz missage for me?    Preducea Tammy you have a missage from Arf Bells...he saz he wants to do what to me???
     yep but don't you mean he is a twat?

That is painful to read, and the emphasis on letterZ i get it, but every message?  well what do you do now?  keep crucifying everyone Art's had dealings with or suck on some cyanide pop-sickles....I say we just shake in a corner together till one of us spontaneously combusts...any takers?

[TheGrimCreeper1]

I'm no fan of GN by any means but he's not the first and won't be the last to take up the reins that someone else let go. People come and go from all walks of life. No-one is irreplaceable. No, not even Art Bell.

I'm not saying that Art isn't replaceable in the eyes of the corporate suits in radio. In my heart and to my ears, not so much.

[Étouffée]

I'm no fan of GN by any means but he's not the first and won't be the last to take up the reins that someone else let go. People come and go from all walks of life. No-one is irreplaceable. No, not even Art Bell.

No, York.  Art Bell is sui generis--one of a kind.  For all of his talents and faults and peccadillos, he is one of a kind.

[steelbot]

No one made you buy anything. If you don't want your equipment anymore, might I suggest eBay? I happened to have old equipment on hand that SXM offered to reactivate @ $25.00 for six months of service. Since there's others programming I enjoy on SXM, I consider it a wash.

Sony owes me millions for that beta max they forced me to buy!

[Yorkshire pud]

The other guy is of no consequence.  He is just filler--proof that the public will accept whatever we are supposed to accept.  Art Bell sort of quit, in a way.  We used to call it being "forced out".

How was he forced out? Because he decided the contract that he signed up for wasn't the contract he thought he'd signed up for after all? And when he made a fuss they asked why he'd changed his mind (reasonably)? If I had an employee and six weeks in he or she told me they didn't want to do the thing they'd been hired for I'd give them two choices...I think Art may have been given similar choices.

If he stayed, they'd make sure that the show would degenerate into mediocrity and he'd have to retire with a whimper.  This way, there is a chance for him to come back and do some more great radio. Even if it has to be commercial-free narrow-casting for a while,  it can still be great radio.  The best anywhere.

Yeah, cos radio stations like committing commercial suicide. Why would they spend lots of dosh getting a show up and running to deliberately kill it six weeks later?

[shell88]

too good

Isn't that the absolute truth!

[Shastalexy]

If one door shuts, and another opens, your house is probably haunted.

[Yorkshire pud]

No one made you buy anything. If you don't want your equipment anymore, might I suggest eBay? I happened to have old equipment on hand that SXM offered to reactivate @ $25.00 for six months of service. Since there's other programming I enjoy on SXM, I consider it a wash.

I didn't buy anything. But some/many did. And some/many will have bought it specifically for AB.. So it's disingenuous at the very least to suggest otherwise. Sure, buyer beware and all that, and you can't ever be sure you won't get shafted indirectly.. Life is like that.

[MarkP]

We used to call it being "forced out".  If he stayed, they'd make sure that the show would degenerate into mediocrity and he'd have to retire with a whimper. 

Yes... because Sirius investing thousands in building him a studio, hiring a staff, and  promoting the hell out of the show for two months before its debut - were all attempts at making sure the show would fail.

Seriously people - Art walked away from the show, before it even had the chance to grow.   He is the one who wasn't happy trying to build up an audience from the subscriber base... He had conservatively, 50 million potential new fans (27 Million plus subscribers + several million Canadian subscribers to SiriusXM Canada - some subscriptions were for one person, while others for several.  Let's say 2 people on average per sub.  Low end 50 million)  He could have built something special up - rather than focus on the complaints of under 1% of his "base".

[Chad Jacobs]

What if Art went on as a guest with Noory (or Knapp, or Wells) and did two to four hours addressing not only the latest issues, but indeed his legacy as a broadcaster.  Such an interview would be hard for CTC to turn down (due to the huge ratings) and it would be a platform to "clear" the air so to speak.  It might result in better feelings between both Art and George, and the clarification in a public venue might even improve things with Sirius (or it could make them worse, but it would make for a good program).  Perhaps, they could also use it as a platform to raise money for the Philippine victims of the typhoon.  Even my relatively poor butt (I'm a nurse and it's Christmas time) would kick in $20.00 to $40.00 for something like that. 

[TheGrimCreeper1]

Sony owes me millions for that beta max they forced me to buy!

Maybe you should go after the porn industry for choosing VHS over Beta.

[Yorkshire pud]

No, York.  Art Bell is sui generis--one of a kind.  For all of his talents and faults and peccadillos, he is one of a kind.

Oh, he's one of a kind; I know of no other radio host who threw in the towel six weeks after first air time.  Sorry, that isn't genius. We have a thread called George Noory sucks that runs to volume 9086...Mainly because of his 'peccadillos' and 'faults'... Goose and gander etc.

[Kolchak]

I hope Art seriously considers going on the Gabcast today.

[Bigfoot]

Sirius and Art are still talking, folks.  Don't give up, don't give up!  He will be back.

Yeah, thanks for the dose of hope.  After all, Art hasn't received his "no" yet.

(well, not in any form besides his frankenstein monster replacing him on his timeslot)

[steelbot]

Maybe you should go after the porn industry for choosing VHS over Beta.

Bah, I'd just end up with no more juice, and two flat tires 

[TheGrimCreeper1]

What if Art went on as a guest with Noory (or Knapp, or Wells) and did two to four hours addressing not only the latest issues, but indeed his legacy as a broadcaster.  Such an interview would be hard for CTC to turn down (due to the huge ratings) and it would be a platform to "clear" the air so to speak.  It might result in better feelings between both Art and George, and the clarification in a public venue might even improve things with Sirius (or it could make them worse, but it would make for a good program).  Perhaps, they could also use it as a platform to raise money for the Philippine victims of the typhoon.  Even my relatively poor butt (I'm a nurse and it's Christmas time) would kick in $20.00 to $40.00 for something like that.

That would have all the educational value of this:


The Chris Farley Show

[CornyCrow]

I at least emailed SIRIUS telling them that C2C can be heard on regular radio, if anyone were interested.  It is not a substitute for DM and we will not be listening to Noory. 

Maybe they are not aware that the shows/hosts are not interchangeable. 

[Jocko Johnson]

Yeah, he enjoys seeing others being hurt and getting abused.   Just think of Noory logging on and off all day today, him knowing that he was going to pop up on Sirius 104 tonight, while Art and Paul were here keeping us updated, letting us know that they still hadn't heard anything.   Noory was just making sure he would be here at the exact instant we discovered this, and that Art would be totally sucker punched.  He was probably more excited today than a kid waiting for Santa Claus.  What a freak.

Then he email "Arf at hiss AOL 'addy' wish I had sin-is 1990...and told him it wasn't my fault...u quit I juss twisted the knife I already had in ur back"  but its good to know that he'll hold the door at a bar if he saw you there. Then smash him over the head wiff a beer bottle when Arf turns hiss back!  What a prick.

[SaucyRossy]

Yes... because Sirius investing thousands in building him a studio, hiring a staff, and  promoting the hell out of the show for two months before its debut - were all attempts at making sure the show would fail.

Seriously people - Art walked away from the show, before it even had the chance to grow.   He is the one who wasn't happy trying to build up an audience from the subscriber base... He had conservatively, 50 million potential new fans (27 Million plus subscribers + several million Canadian subscribers to SiriusXM Canada - some subscriptions were for one person, while others for several.  Let's say 2 people on average per sub.  Low end 50 million)  He could have built something special up - rather than focus on the complaints of under 1% of his "base".

First off those numbers are a joke.

It's far more likely he started off with a hundred thousand or more listeners with most of them being his base.

The millions of listeners you talk about listen in their car for the most part and not many people other than truckers are driving at that time of night.

So for Art's show to truly grow in numbers it had to rely on people listening through streaming. And with many of Art's fans not being technically knowledgable (look at the lady who runs the people who love art bell Facebook page,she was freaking the fuck out about Sirius constantly), having the stream drop constantly is a disaster. Even the whole keep listening thing was a horrible idea, Sirius is the only radio that assumes you're not listening. Can you imagine how frustrating those issues would be to a demographic of people who have a hard time logging onto Facebook? Holy shit it must of been a disaster. I can't even imagine the emails art got about it.

So no, millions of people were not and even over time probably wouldn't of listened to dm. It's clear now that Art was doing what he could to have standards and Sirius doesn't care about high standards.

[Jocko Johnson]

I think Art Bell will have a message for us tomorrow. In it he will say that he can't really go into too many details but his suspicions were confirmed. He will go on to say that he has not given up on his own proposition to be an independent broadcaster and he will do what he can to make that happen but, nevertheless, he is resigned to the fact that it may not happen now. He will graciously prepare us for a two-year absence, thank some, make a sarcastic but good-humored jibe at some others, and that will be the end of art for a while except for a few interesting but pedestrian updates throughout the year.

George, on the other hand, will devour a baby pig live on air one night and the sound of its painful, broken cries will echo through the black, black night. . .

Wow, so you did get those remote viewing tapes...impressive.

[Bigfoot]

First off those numbers are a joke.

It's far more likely he started off with a hundred thousand or more listeners with most of them being his base.

The millions of listeners you talk about listen in their car for the most part and not many people other than truckers are driving at that time of night.

So for Art's show to truly grow in numbers it had to rely on people listening through streaming. And with many of Art's fans not being technically knowledgable (look at the lady who runs the people who love art bell Facebook page,she was freaking the fuck out about Sirius constantly), having the stream drop constantly is a disaster. Even the whole keep listening thing was a horrible idea, Sirius is the only radio that assumes you're not listening. Can you imagine how frustrating those issues would be to a demographic of people who have a hard time logging onto Facebook? Holy shit it must of been a disaster. I can't even imagine the emails art got about it.

So no, millions of people were not and even over time probably wouldn't of listened to dm. It's clear now that Art was doing what he could to have standards and Sirius doesn't care about high standards.

You're probably right that it's the same demographic.  Which makes catering to them even sillier.

Having to move your cursor every 4 hours is not a deal-breaker for most people.   

[Kolchak]

The millions of listeners you talk about listen in their car for the most part and not many people other than truckers are driving at that time of night...So for Art's show to truly grow in numbers it had to rely on people listening through streaming.

Why? You can get a speaker for your home, pop the receiver out of your car and listen indoors with crystal clarity. I do it all the time. I can also move that speaker throughout the house to accommodate whatever I'm doing.

Why assume most people consume satellite radio in cars?

[SixWeekTenure(tm)]

As just a live stream or a podcast, he is done.

If he thought he didn't get many listeners before, just wait.

There will STILL be connection issues. Sirius did bring the show to many people who didn't have to go find it. People could still listen for free using pirated streams.

Yeah, I think that Art is putting way too much faith in a web stream. I think that SiriusXM accepts his independent broadcaster offer and he's back with Dark Matter soon - it makes no difference whether or not Coast to Coast AM is on Indie 104, so hopefully that doesn't cloud his judgment. The alternative is not being on the air for two years, after all.

[TheGrimCreeper1]

Yes... because Sirius investing thousands in building him a studio, hiring a staff, and  promoting the hell out of the show for two months before its debut - were all attempts at making sure the show would fail.

Seriously people - Art walked away from the show, before it even had the chance to grow.   He is the one who wasn't happy trying to build up an audience from the subscriber base... He had conservatively, 50 million potential new fans (27 Million plus subscribers + several million Canadian subscribers to SiriusXM Canada - some subscriptions were for one person, while others for several.  Let's say 2 people on average per sub.  Low end 50 million)  He could have built something special up - rather than focus on the complaints of under 1% of his "base".

Having 27 million subscribers doesn't mean that they'll all listen. Of those subscribers, a fraction may be interested in talk radio. Of that group, an even smaller percentage are interested in paranormal talk radio. Having said that, many of Art's fans didn't know he was on radio again. Only the rabid fans, like us on BellGab, would take the time to research whatever happened to Art. Meanwhile, Coast has been on the air non-stop while Art took his sabbatical.

[georgesucks]

I hope Art seriously considers going on the Gabcast today.

]Art is going on Gabcast?? If he goes on, I bet he will quit before he starts. :\