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Started by Ruteger, October 17, 2013, 02:59:36 PM

Sardondi

Quote from: NowhereInTime on October 19, 2013, 08:24:10 AM
You're being very selective.  Do you also want to preserve, in our 200 year legacy, slavery?  Child Labor? Gilded age Robber Barons? The near genocide of Native Americans? Vietnam? Jim Crow? The Great Depression? Iraq? I'm not going to belabor this, but when you speak of 200 years of America as the world has known it, do you realize it is for the above as much as for Normandy or Bataan?...
Wha...? How do you possibly go from my post to this? I am just astounded at the Chomskyite hatred of America. That you can somehow believe that those episodes of America's history justify its destruction just mystifies me.

Quote from: NowhereInTime on October 19, 2013, 08:24:10 AM...We're trying to address a healthcare deficiency in this country that somehow representative, industrialized democracies like France, United Kingdom, and Germany have figured out - in the long run this is going to make us stronger, not weaker. 
Sardondi  - you may not believe this but this isn't some cynical plot to steal your wealth and give it to layabouts. Its about making our nation a healthier, stronger, even more competitive place.

Europe is on the verge of failure, as much social as economic. There is one thing and one thing only the government does better than the private sector - make war. We're in the last days of widespread, competent healthcare in the U.S. Soon it will be run as another government bureaucracy. Of course there will be two systems: one for the politicians, apparatchiks and nomenklatura who are on The Team and who will get gold standard care; and another for the little people, who will routinely be turned down for hip transplants by the government death panels because they're "too fat", and refused pacemakers because they're "too old".

I ask this seriously: you're a Communist aren't you?


Quote from: Paper*Boy on October 18, 2013, 06:16:38 PM

Not only that, but you've demonstrated a very shallow understanding of our country and our politics...
This, coming from the guy who doesn't know what Marxism is.  Unbelievable.

NowhereInTime

Quote from: Sardondi on October 19, 2013, 08:37:49 AM
I ask this seriously: you're a Communist aren't you?
My good friend.  If you've even read my posts, you would know I am not.  You know I'm a successful retail manager.  You would know I own stock.  You would know I love and am excited about productive capital movement like IPO's.
In fact, you do know this.   You also know that I love this country.  You know, as I have repeatedly stated, that our greatness comes not from material success but from spirtual growth and moral greatness by addressing our sins and failures.
If you had stopped to read my reply you would note that I was merely asking you to balance what you believe to be a flawless execution of nationhood with some of our past mistakes; mistakes for which we atone.
Our nation is not being destroyed, it is still growing.

Quick Karl

Absolutely stunning definition of "selective" coming from the uncontested King of Selective Intentional Cognitive Schizophrenia (SICS)...

No other society in the history of the world has ever had slavery, child labor, robber barons, colonialism, foreign political wars, or racism - only the Evil Rich White Racist Empire of America.

NWIT, you sir, are psychotic. 

Quote from: Sardondi on October 19, 2013, 08:37:49 AM

Quote from: NowhereInTime on Today at 09:24:10 AM
You're being very selective.  Do you also want to preserve, in our 200 year legacy, slavery?  Child Labor? Gilded age Robber Barons? The near genocide of Native Americans? Vietnam? Jim Crow? The Great Depression? Iraq? I'm not going to belabor this, but when you speak of 200 years of America as the world has known it, do you realize it is for the above as much as for Normandy or Bataan?...


NowhereInTime

Quote from: Quick Karl on October 19, 2013, 09:35:18 AM
Absolutely stunning definition of "selective" coming from the uncontested King of Selective Intentional Cognitive Schizophrenia (SICS)...

No other society in the history of the world has ever had slavery, child labor, robber barons, colonialism, foreign political wars, or racism - only the Evil Rich White Racist Empire of America.

NWIT, you sir, are psychotic.
You are not doing a very good job of ignoring me, putz.
Nor do you pay attention.  What I have said is that we, unlike most other nations, acknowledge our wrongdoing and atone for our sins.
The original point was about how great the last 200 years of American history was (that Obama was "destroying") and I offered an alternative view to complement selective conservatism.

Quick Karl

Progressivesociocommunists (aka Democrats):

A group of individuals who double the price of a product and then force you to buy it.

You know- because it's freedom.

Quote from: NowhereInTime on October 19, 2013, 09:18:16 AM
My good friend.  If you've even read my posts, you would know I am not.  You know I'm a successful retail manager.  You would know I own stock.  You would know I love and am excited about productive capital movement like IPO's.
In fact, you do know this.   You also know that I love this country.  You know, as I have repeatedly stated, that our greatness comes not from material success but from spirtual growth and moral greatness by addressing our sins and failures.
If you had stopped to read my reply you would note that I was merely asking you to balance what you believe to be a flawless execution of nationhood with some of our past mistakes; mistakes for which we atone.
Our nation is not being destroyed, it is still growing.



If the jist of this is true, then you have been badly misled. Do you really think the Left - the lies, the underhanded tactics, the failed policies, the violence and intimidation - have our country's best interests at heart?

No.  Of course you don't.  Nice try though.

One doesn't even have to listen to them long before they tell you what they think of us.

Quote from: RealCool Daddio on October 19, 2013, 08:49:24 AM
This, coming from the guy who doesn't know what Marxism is.  Unbelievable.


Say what?

I know what Marx said.  It sounds really good, but he forgot to take human behavior into consideration.  This has led to more death and misery at the hands of government than any ideology in history.

I also know what has happened every time people claiming to be his followers have seized power.  They kill everyone from groups they've been trained to hate and who might challenge them for power - businessmen, property owners, journalists, teachers, clergy, leaders of other political groups, union leaders.  When they run out of  those they start killing gays, minorities, the religious, and anyone not as fervent as them.  In the meantime they ran those economies into the ground - especially food production, which they turned into a weapon.

Yet we still have people - in the West mostly - that want to lead us into this evil system.

That about cover it?



I also know 'extreme' when I see it, and 'wild eyed loon' behavior when I see it.  If I suggest someone or some group is extreme or wild eyed, I can provide examples when asked.

NowhereInTime

Quote from: Paper*Boy on October 19, 2013, 11:52:48 AM
If the jist of this is true, then you have been badly misled. Do you really think the Left - the lies, the underhanded tactics, the failed policies, the violence and intimidation - have our country's best interests at heart?

No.  Of course you don't.  Nice try though.

One doesn't even have to listen to them long before they tell you what they think of us.
Actually, I believe every word I wrote.  Or at least the gist of it. Your misanthropic view of anyone left of Himmler clouds your vision and obscures simple truth.
Underhanded tactics?  Like having the Supreme Court declare a winner in a Presidential election that was still undecided?  Like undersupplying voting machines to heavily Democratic registered areas and oversupplying to heavily registered Republican (J Kenneth Blackwell)? Like distributing flyers warning people they better have their bills all paid and have paid their poll tax before they vote?  Like Jim Crow? Like "the Southern Strategy"?  Like lying about Obamacare before it evens rolls out to cloud people's opinion, not because its a mistake, but because your worried people might actually like it (Ted Cruz)?
Your side engages in the most divisive and cynical skulduggery and you do it in the name of Consitutional purity. By any means neccessary, I guess.
We do have the country's interest at heart.  Everybody, though, not just the propertied elites you cravenly serve.

Quote from: NowhereInTime on October 19, 2013, 12:12:30 PM
Actually, I believe every word I wrote.  Or at least the gist of it. Your misanthropic view of anyone left of Himmler clouds your vision and obscures simple truth.
Underhanded tactics?  Like having the Supreme Court declare a winner in a Presidential election that was still undecided?  Like undersupplying voting machines to heavily Democratic registered areas and oversupplying to heavily registered Republican (J Kenneth Blackwell)? Like distributing flyers warning people they better have their bills all paid and have paid their poll tax before they vote?  Like Jim Crow? Like "the Southern Strategy"?  Like lying about Obamacare before it evens rolls out to cloud people's opinion, not because its a mistake, but because your worried people might actually like it (Ted Cruz)?
Your side engages in the most divisive and cynical skulduggery and you do it in the name of Consitutional purity. By any means neccessary, I guess.
We do have the country's interest at heart.  Everybody, though, not just the propertied elites you cravenly serve.


If you truly believe all that - which I sincerely doubt, but ok - then you have been badly misled.

Just to take your first item.  The US Supreme Court ruled that Florida had to follow Florida law in the election that year.  Not really a big shock.  It was the 7 Florida justices - all Democrats - who ruled the state did not have to follow the state law d ruled against doing so.  Had the US Supreme Court ruled the other way somehow or declined to take the case, the Florida legislature and governor were prepared to step in and pass legislation to reinforce the law anyway.

So your wet dream of stealing a Presidential election was put on hold.

By the way, both the NY Times and Washington Post - hardly right wing outposts - went down and did recounts on their own, independent of each other - and said Bush won the state.

So to keep that canard alive is just another example of underhanded Left wing tactics.



Actually, let me pluck out on more from your list of smears - Jim Crow.  Some don't quite yet get it but it was the Democrat Party that passed and administered the Jim Crow laws.  It was the D's who gave us segregation, who were the party keeping blacks poor and downtrodden.  The KKK was formed specifically to intimidate blacks and Republicans.  It was FDR and the D's who rounded up the Japanese and sent them to internment camps.  The D's who gave us minimum wage as a way of pricing out black labor. 

A larger percentage of R's than D's passed the Civil Rights Acts of 1957 and 1964 in both the House and the Senate.  Presidential race stealing wannabe Al Gore's dad the Senator voted against both, as did Bill Clinton's mentor Sen William Fulbright.


The only reason - the only reason - the D's have smeared the R's as 'racists' over the years is because we think everyone is capable of getting a good education and able to support themselves like everyone else, and swe've been against excessive social program handouts.  We don't think blacks and minorities need to be taken care of the way the D's seem to think they need to be.  In fact the Democrat idea they can't make it is what sounds racist to me.

Well, there is one other reason the D's have smeared the R's with this.  In the past the R's - being good people - have shrunk away when attacked like that.  It's been a good tactic for the D's to use to get their way.  The D's have no shame and will say anything to get an advantage, and the smear tactics and name calling have worked. 




I would suggest if you are as you say you are and not just one of the angry American hating rabble, then you are deeply ignorant and badly misled. 

Quick Karl

This trouncing by PB is like watching Mike Tyson when he was in his prime - even though I can see only one side of the contest (except for the quoted text in PB's posts).

NowhereInTime

Quote from: Paper*Boy on October 19, 2013, 12:53:56 PM

If you truly believe all that - which I sincerely doubt, but ok - then you have been badly misled.

Just to take your first item.  The US Supreme Court ruled that Florida had to follow Florida law in the election that year.  Not really a big shock.  It was the 7 Florida justices - all Democrats - who ruled the state did not have to follow the state law d ruled against doing so.  Had the US Supreme Court ruled the other way somehow or declined to take the case, the Florida legislature and governor were prepared to step in and pass legislation to reinforce the law anyway.

So your wet dream of stealing a Presidential election was put on hold.

By the way, both the NY Times and Washington Post - hardly right wing outposts - went down and did recounts on their own, independent of each other - and said Bush won the state.

So to keep that canard alive is just another example of underhanded Left wing tactics.



Actually, let me pluck out on more from your list of smears - Jim Crow.  Some don't quite yet get it but it was the Democrat Party that passed and administered the Jim Crow laws.  It was the D's who gave us segregation, who were the party keeping blacks poor and downtrodden.  The KKK was formed specifically to intimidate blacks and Republicans.  It was FDR and the D's who rounded up the Japanese and sent them to internment camps.  The D's who gave us minimum wage as a way of pricing out black labor. 

A larger percentage of R's than D's passed the Civil Rights Acts of 1957 and 1964 in both the House and the Senate.  Presidential race stealing wannabe Al Gore's dad the Senator voted against both, as did Bill Clinton's mentor Sen William Fulbright.


The only reason - the only reason - the D's have smeared the R's as 'racists' over the years is because we think everyone is capable of getting a good education and able to support themselves like everyone else, and swe've been against excessive social program handouts.  We don't think blacks and minorities need to be taken care of the way the D's seem to think they need to be.  In fact the Democrat idea they can't make it is what sounds racist to me.

Well, there is one other reason the D's have smeared the R's with this.  In the past the R's - being good people - have shrunk away when attacked like that.  It's been a good tactic for the D's to use to get their way.  The D's have no shame and will say anything to get an advantage, and the smear tactics and name calling have worked. 




I would suggest if you are as you say you are and not just one of the angry American hating rabble, then you are deeply ignorant and badly misled.
Yes, yes.   Every time I force myself throught one of your jaded history lessons I feel myself getting ever more ignorant.

You are using semantics to hide the fact that Conservatives (do I ever really speak about Democrats and Republicans?) opposed the Civil Rights Act.  Lyndon Johnson famously said to his aides Bill Moyers and Jack Valenti: ""I think we just delivered the South to the Republican party for a long time to come," (source: Moyers on America  p 167)

You already know this is what happened.

Ronald Reagan, a four time FDR Democrat, switched sides not because he was repelled by the internment of Japanese Americans, another conceit forced by Conservatives, but because he was repelled by the idea of equal rights: In the early 1960s Reagan opposed certain civil rights legislation, saying that "if an individual wants to discriminate against Negroes or others in selling or renting his house, it is his right to do so." "(Deconstructing Reagan...America's 40th President" M.E. Sharpe p 76) (Reagan was also a union man, President of the Screen Actors Guild)

You knew this, too, yet tried to make the bald faced case that somehow today's Democratic Party is responsible for yesteryear's sins, and today's Republican party he same as Lincoln and TR. Criminal conflation and intellectually dishonest.

Either you are 1) misguided and/or ignorant  2) a soulless, diabolical demagouge 3) a criminal conflationalist or 4) negligent in your comprehesion of American history.

Frankly, after reading your work these last few years you are all of the above.  I hope to God you are not responsible for the well being of any children.

NowhereInTime

Quote from: Quick Karl on October 19, 2013, 01:57:15 PM
This trouncing by PB is like watching Mike Tyson when he was in his prime - even though I can see only one side of the contest (except for the quoted text in PB's posts).
This sniveling sycophancy makes Waylon Smithers seem assertive and bold. 
That and, really, he bit my ear off.

Ruteger

You are a moron. You think yourself smart but you are really an idiot. Just answer the question. Why has not HUSSEIN put himself in front of the cameras to sign up for HUSSEINcare? It is his ultimate signature legislation.

If HUSSEINcare is so great, where are the vids of Pelosi, Reid and Schumer accessing the site to sign up? You are a tool - a useful idiot.

Quote from: Yorkshire pud on October 18, 2013, 12:31:39 AM
I'm a simple man, un educated and barely evolved. Forgive my bluntness:

Wanker.

NowhereInTime

Quote from: Ruteger on October 19, 2013, 04:52:47 PM
You are a moron. You think yourself smart but you are really an idiot. Just answer the question. Why has not HUSSEIN put himself in front of the cameras to sign up for HUSSEINcare? It is his ultimate signature legislation.

If HUSSEINcare is so great, where are the vids of Pelosi, Reid and Schumer accessing the site to sign up? You are a tool - a useful idiot.
Ruteger IS A MENTAL DISORDER!
Sweet Ruty I am blessed for another day of your unique brand of madness. Your WWE approach is refreshing and your insults are light kisses on my backside.
Stay True!

Quote from: NowhereInTime on October 19, 2013, 02:46:53 PM
Yes, yes.   Every time I force myself throught one of your jaded history lessons I feel myself getting ever more ignorant.

You are using semantics to hide the fact that Conservatives (do I ever really speak about Democrats and Republicans?) opposed the Civil Rights Act.  Lyndon Johnson famously said to his aides Bill Moyers and Jack Valenti: ""I think we just delivered the South to the Republican party for a long time to come," (source: Moyers on America  p 167)...


Your post is a great example of the Left willing to tell any lie, to say anything, to twist any fact, to get their way.  The end truly justifies the means for these people. 

So now you at least admit the shameful history of the Democrat Party, but now claim it was really the 'Conservatives' who made them do it.  Even FDR - was he a closet Conservative rounding up the Japanese?  Where were all the good Libs in the South in those years, hiding out in the Republican Party?

How is it that it was a Lib/Left named Margaret Sanger that started Planned Parenthood with the express goal of aborting black babies?

Or the unions creating minimum wage for the express goal of pricing out black labor.  Do you think those union leaders were closet Conservatives all along?

How about our wretched inner cities?  100% run by 'Progressives'.  For decades now.  And not helping blacks advance one single bit.  They are suppressing them, keeping them dependent, making sure they are poorly educated - all the while offering them false promises and telling them they can't make it without the Democrats because the country is racist.  All to get their vote.  How sick is that?


I could go on and on with the racists that have traditionally found a home with the Left and with the Democrat Party.  Here and abroad.  How is it the Chinese government from Mao right up to today has been committing genocide against the Tibetans?  Conservatives?


Let's say one day the blacks in this country realize who is really suppressing them.  In just one election cycle they switch from voting 90% D to 90% R.  Now look at the hate and smears coming out of Democrat and Left groups towards anyone that doesn't agree with them.  Is there anyone out there who doesn't think the D's would slip on their sheets and go right back to trying to intimidate this new Republican voting group?   

If anyone doubts it, ask Justice Clarence Thomas.  Ask Condi Rice how she's been treated by these fine folks.  Hell, ask Miguel Estrada.


You really should look beyond what your Occupy handlers have spoon fed you.




NowhereInTime

Quote from: Paper*Boy on October 19, 2013, 05:45:43 PM

Your post is a great example of the Left willing to tell any lie, to say anything, to twist any fact, to get their way.  The end truly justifies the means for these people. 

So now you at least admit the shameful history of the Democrat Party, but now claim it was really the 'Conservatives' who made them do it.  Even FDR - was he a closet Conservative rounding up the Japanese?  Where were all the good Libs in the South in those years, hiding out in the Republican Party?

How is it that it was a Lib/Left named Margaret Sanger that started Planned Parenthood with the express goal of aborting black babies?

Or the unions creating minimum wage for the express goal of pricing out black labor.  Do you think those union leaders were closet Conservatives all along?

How about our wretched inner cities?  100% run by 'Progressives'.  For decades now.  And not helping blacks advance one single bit.  They are suppressing them, keeping them dependent, making sure they are poorly educated - all the while offering them false promises and telling them they can't make it without the Democrats because the country is racist.  All to get their vote.  How sick is that?


I could go on and on with the racists that have traditionally found a home with the Left and with the Democrat Party.  Here and abroad.  How is it the Chinese government from Mao right up to today has been committing genocide against the Tibetans?  Conservatives?


Let's say one day the blacks in this country realize who is really suppressing them.  In just one election cycle they switch from voting 90% D to 90% R.  Now look at the hate and smears coming out of Democrat and Left groups towards anyone that doesn't agree with them.  Is there anyone out there who doesn't think the D's would slip on their sheets and go right back to trying to intimidate this new Republican voting group?   

If anyone doubts it, ask Justice Clarence Thomas.  Ask Condi Rice how she's been treated by these fine folks.  Hell, ask Miguel Estrada.


You really should look beyond what your Occupy handlers have spoon fed you.
So tell me,  Great White Hope,  how would conservatives champion the cause of black Americans?

Sardondi

Quote from: NowhereInTime on October 19, 2013, 06:02:09 PMSo tell me,  Great White Hope, how would conservatives champion the cause of black Americans?
First of all stop the evil of intentionally dividing America into ethnic interest groups, and the false idea that any so-called group's "cause" is to be "championed". Which concept has been the Democrats' bread and butter, and without which they could not survive.

Then stop the myriad ways the Democrat Party has concocted to supply blacks the economic heroin which they've provided for 50 years to make them their vote slaves. There was a strong black middle class once, and illegitimacy in the black community was a pittance of what it is now. But the programs which the Democrats themselves champion on the other hand have incentivized illegitimacy and the destruction of the black family. They do it because they know they can always count on the votes of those they give money to. There's a song called "Government Cheese" by the Rainmakers that has the line, "They turn us into beggars 'cause they're easier to please." No shit. Which is the reason behind the move, unprecedented in human history as far as I can tell, of completely dispensing with the concept of the American southern border, and inviting every Mexican and Latin American who wants welfare, food stamps, free education and free medical care - hey, want a cell phone too? - to come to America for automatic citizenship. Here illegals can walk in if Democrats get their way and will automatically become American citizens, without any concept of loyalty or connection to to this nation - indeed that would be harmful to the Democrats, since they require ethnic and racial discord and division -  and be provided a previously unimaginable life with absolutely nothing required in return for being handed tens of thousands of taxpayer dollars except to vote their self-interest and keep the party of The Great Tit in power. It's the most cynical proposal in American history. And perfectly alright with Obamite ideologues because all that stuff years ago about "justice" and "fairness" was just so much bogus bullshit for the rubes. Because what makes it juuuuuust fine in the Dem book is that it destroys the American voting system and puts them in power permanently. And power is what it's all about, right?

NowhereInTime

Quote from: Sardondi on October 19, 2013, 08:16:38 PM
First of all stop the evil of intentionally dividing America into ethnic interest groups, and the false idea that any so-called group's "cause" is to be "championed". Which concept has been the Democrats' bread and butter, and without which they could not survive.

Then stop the myriad ways the Democrat Party has concocted to supply blacks the economic heroin which they've provided for 50 years to make them their vote slaves. There was a strong black middle class once, and illegitimacy in the black community was a pittance of what it is now. But the programs which the Democrats themselves champion on the other hand have incentivized illegitimacy and the destruction of the black family. They do it because they know they can always count on the votes of those they give money to. There's a song called "Government Cheese" by the Rainmakers that has the line, "They turn us into beggars 'cause they're easier to please." No shit. Which is the reason behind the move, unprecedented in human history as far as I can tell, of completely dispensing with the concept of the American southern border, and inviting every Mexican and Latin American who wants welfare, food stamps, free education and free medical care - hey, want a cell phone too? - to come to America for automatic citizenship. Here illegals can walk in if Democrats get their way and will automatically become American citizens, without any concept of loyalty or connection to to this nation - indeed that would be harmful to the Democrats, since they require ethnic and racial discord and division -  and be provided a previously unimaginable life with absolutely nothing required in return for being handed tens of thousands of taxpayer dollars except to vote their self-interest and keep the party of The Great Tit in power. It's the most cynical proposal in American history. And perfectly alright with Obamite ideologues because all that stuff years ago about "justice" and "fairness" was just so much bogus bullshit for the rubes. Because what makes it juuuuuust fine in the Dem book is that it destroys the American voting system and puts them in power permanently. And power is what it's all about, right?
No, Sardondi,  its about justice. Power is an aphrodisiac but justice is morally satisfying.   If you have a solution besides "vote Republican because the Demmycrats are stringing you out", please share.

Quote from: NowhereInTime on October 19, 2013, 06:02:09 PM
So tell me,  Great White Hope,  how would conservatives champion the cause of black Americans?


The first thing I would do is flush ObamaCare.  It destroys existing jobs and discourages the creation of new jobs.  The people at or near the bottom are always the ones hurt the most.  The next thing I'd do is tell all the protestor thugs that the days of taking over parks, attacking police, and burning and looting the downtowns is over.  Those arrested would be prosecuted fully.

Set up special 'economic zones' where new businesses moving in would pay no taxes for a period of years - no income tax, no property tax, no payroll tax on local hires, their products sold locally would not be subject to sales taxes.  Minimum wage would be suspended.

I'd put stiff tariffs on goods from factories that had been offshored, with the idea it wouldn't be worth it and those jobs would come back - some of them hopefully to these cities that need the jobs.

The bureaucrats in some of these cities try to keep the chain stores and restaurants out, and make it hard for others to open as well.  They have all sorts of red tape, all kinds of agencies with rules for this or that.  I'd remove as much of the red tape, restrictions, and regulations that keep business out as possible.

The areas would be policed and kept safe.  Drug dealers and gang members would be harassed and chased out where ever they set up shop.  All criminal activity would be dealt with harshly - word would get out.

The locals would be weaned off handouts as jobs were created.  Day care centers would be provided - and run by competent locals - so other people with kids could have a place for them while they went to work.  There would be at least a few clinics for medical attention.

Schools would be run by PTA's, interested parents and teachers, the way they used to be.  Control by the state educrats would be suspended.  The schools would be safe, and kids who were distractions removed.

The gang members, drug dealers, kids kicked out of school would be offered a school of their own, one with big tough drill sergeant types to keep them in line.  Young guys respect that and respond relatively well to it.

Blight would be removed or fixed up, run down abandoned homes could be sold cheaply or just given away with the understanding they'd be fixed up.

It would all be administered from outside, the current local machine politicians would have no power or influence.  An effort would be made to get them voted out.

I think it would go slow at first, but that people would respond to it.  I think this, or something like it, would be hugely successful.


We have to do something.  These hopeless hell holes can't just continue forever.  These are examples of the direction I'd go.

b_dubb

cancel the Joint Strike Figher and save 1.5 Trillion US.  simple.  no need to touch ACA.  who needs a plane that won't fly in rain.  ridiculous

Yorkshire pud

Quote from: Ruteger on October 19, 2013, 04:52:47 PM
You are a moron. You think yourself smart but you are really an idiot. Just answer the question. Why has not HUSSEIN put himself in front of the cameras to sign up for HUSSEINcare? It is his ultimate signature legislation.

If HUSSEINcare is so great, where are the vids of Pelosi, Reid and Schumer accessing the site to sign up? You are a tool - a useful idiot.


Hush... go and play.

NowhereInTime

Quote from: Paper*Boy on October 19, 2013, 09:15:48 PM

The first thing I would do is flush ObamaCare.  It destroys existing jobs and discourages the creation of new jobs.  The people at or near the bottom are always the ones hurt the most.  The next thing I'd do is tell all the protestor thugs that the days of taking over parks, attacking police, and burning and looting the downtowns is over.  Those arrested would be prosecuted fully.

Set up special 'economic zones' where new businesses moving in would pay no taxes for a period of years - no income tax, no property tax, no payroll tax on local hires, their products sold locally would not be subject to sales taxes.  Minimum wage would be suspended.

I'd put stiff tariffs on goods from factories that had been offshored, with the idea it wouldn't be worth it and those jobs would come back - some of them hopefully to these cities that need the jobs.

The bureaucrats in some of these cities try to keep the chain stores and restaurants out, and make it hard for others to open as well.  They have all sorts of red tape, all kinds of agencies with rules for this or that.  I'd remove as much of the red tape, restrictions, and regulations that keep business out as possible.

The areas would be policed and kept safe.  Drug dealers and gang members would be harassed and chased out where ever they set up shop.  All criminal activity would be dealt with harshly - word would get out.

The locals would be weaned off handouts as jobs were created.  Day care centers would be provided - and run by competent locals - so other people with kids could have a place for them while they went to work.  There would be at least a few clinics for medical attention.

Schools would be run by PTA's, interested parents and teachers, the way they used to be.  Control by the state educrats would be suspended.  The schools would be safe, and kids who were distractions removed.

The gang members, drug dealers, kids kicked out of school would be offered a school of their own, one with big tough drill sergeant types to keep them in line.  Young guys respect that and respond relatively well to it.

Blight would be removed or fixed up, run down abandoned homes could be sold cheaply or just given away with the understanding they'd be fixed up.

It would all be administered from outside, the current local machine politicians would have no power or influence.  An effort would be made to get them voted out.

I think it would go slow at first, but that people would respond to it.  I think this, or something like it, would be hugely successful.


We have to do something.  These hopeless hell holes can't just continue forever.  These are examples of the direction I'd go.
Well done, sir. While I don't agree with everything I commend you for a comprehensive approach. I really like economic zones (though question suspending min. Wage) & I love the anti-gang/anti-blight approach. I also applaud PTA involved/controlled schools; local school boards get bogged down in real estate & property management issues all too often.

Quote from: NowhereInTime on October 19, 2013, 02:46:53 PM
Yes, yes.   Every time I force myself throught one of your jaded history lessons I feel myself getting ever more ignorant.

You are using semantics to hide the fact that Conservatives (do I ever really speak about Democrats and Republicans?) opposed the Civil Rights Act.  Lyndon Johnson famously said to his aides Bill Moyers and Jack Valenti: ""I think we just delivered the South to the Republican party for a long time to come," (source: Moyers on America  p 167)...



I hadn't seen this quote from LBJ before, not being much of a fan of Bill Moyers and all. 

It didn't make sense at first.  At first blush this quote seems like it's implying the racist D Party voters in the South would leave the party and start voting R.

But the Southern House and Senate D's voted against the legislation, just as their racist constituents wanted them to.  Why would those same constituents then jump to the R party which had voted in favor of the Civil Rights bill?  Like I said, doesn't really make sense.

I'm thinking what he meant is now that blacks can register to vote, and vote without all the shenanigans, the South is lost to the D's.  That turned out not to be the case, but the comment was hardly an indictment of the R party.



About the 'Southern Strategy' used by Nixon, then Reagan.  At the time they ran their campaigns, the so-called 'Solid South' was still solid as far as electoral votes going to the D's.  But things were changing.  The current generation at the time was less racist than earlier generations.  More blacks were voting and were heavily Republican.  Rev Martin Luther King was a Republican.  Many of the D voters were voting D just because they always had, and because their parents and grandparents always had.  But the national D party had already begun moving Left.

The Southern Strategy was to keep the base they already had in those southern states, and pick up enough traditionally D voters that were either tired of the racist policies or did not like the direction the national Dem Party was heading in.  You don't need everyone, picking up 10 or 15% of the other side's voters is more than enough to change most elections.

So again, nothing sinister as far as Nixon's, and later Reagan's, Southern Strategies.  The lying Media and D party shit stirring machine tell it differently of course.  As usual.  See Moyers, Bill at the top of this very post.

Quote from: NowhereInTime on October 19, 2013, 08:36:49 PM
No, Sardondi,  its about justice. Power is an aphrodisiac but justice is morally satisfying.   If you have a solution besides "vote Republican because the Demmycrats are stringing you out", please share.


'Justice' is one of those words very useful to the Left.  There will never be justice for everyone in every situation, so the America haters will be able to bash us with the chant of 'no justice, no peace' forever.

One of the reasons the Left has been able to rule a country much more Conservative than they are is due to their cleverness using the language.  That, along with control of Big Media, the bureaucracy, the schools, and academia gives them  tremendous advantage.



Quote from: NowhereInTime on October 20, 2013, 11:34:44 AM
Well done, sir. While I don't agree with everything I commend you for a comprehensive approach. I really like economic zones (though question suspending min. Wage) & I love the anti-gang/anti-blight approach. I also applaud PTA involved/controlled schools; local school boards get bogged down in real estate & property management issues all too often.


None of that is set in stone, just a few market based ideas.  It would all be phased out after things were working well.

The lack of taxes and red tape is what would draw businesses in.  When 50% of black teenagers are unemployed historically, that suggests minimum wage is set to high.  After a short period on the job learning skills, that pay would go up.

Hey, PaperBoy...  You are absolutely on-target in saying that 50% unemployment for any ethnic group/class/race/religion is too high...  You suggest that minimum wage may have something to do with it.  (Perhaps you are correct, but I'd entertain possible other factors, too.)  I can imagine racist thinking arguing instead that there is something inherently wrong (laziness, for instance) with a certain group suffering such high unemployment figures.  Such thinking is clearly wrong.

The broader point is that "both sides" can find common ground, can work together towards improvement.  Have a great day!

Oh definitely there are other factors.  For one there aren't a lot of businesses and jobs in bad areas.  Schools are worse n other places.  There are more poor role models and fewer good ones.

Plenty of people escape from it, but there is no reason our cities - all the downtowns and neighborhoods - can't get back to being successful and vibrant.

I think it's fixable, much of it is about implementing better policies and ofering people opportunity.

Quote from: NowhereInTime on October 18, 2013, 11:20:58 AM
... Where in the law does it mandate you must change your doctor?  Its not there...


Where in the law does it say you can keep your doctor?  That is what was promised.

When people are fired or given less hours so they no longer qualify for coverage or are no longer offered health care coverage at work, often they are no longer able to keep their doctor.

If their policy changes - due to the now higher costs, which were also promised to go down and instead are going up - and their old doctor is not in the network of doctors covered by the new policy, they have to go to one who is.


In economic terms, t's called the law of unintended consequences.  Although I'd suggest the promises made by Obama and Pelosi were lies in the first place and the consequences were not 'unintended'.

Ruteger

You are a truly a retard. Answer my question. If HUSSEINcare is so fabulous, why would not the AUTHOR of this legislation be the FIRST to sign up? You POS tool.

Quote from: NowhereInTime on October 18, 2013, 07:17:37 AM
Obamacare is a choice and does not supercede current coverage unless you want it to.  It is not mandatory across the board for people to enroll in any varying degree.  Thanks for paying attention.

Cynnie

Do people who say stuff like obummer and HUSSEIN care realize how moronic they sound ?
No?

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