Robert Stanley--Liar or idiot?

[Uncle Duke]

Stanley's main story last night was about a friend he called "Eddy" who disappeared for six months.  Eddie claimed to have been conducting a test flight of an F-14 USN fighter from Pearl Harbor in 1975.  He allegedly flew into a green fog, at which point his engines quit and he had to affect a gear-up landing on an uncharted island in the South Pacific.  He stayed on the island for six months before being allowed to leave.  Stanley's position is the pilot "could not have been on Earth", because the island had "no biting insects, no rodents...just not typical of an island in the South Pacific".

Raising the Bullshit Flag:

1) If Eddy was flying an F-14, where was his back-seater during all this?  All F-14s were two-seaters, a point I would have expected a host who claims to have been a naval officer to know and bring up. 

2) The test flight Eddy was allegedly undertaking is known as a 'Functional Check Flight" (FCF), and is done after significant maintenance is performed on an a/c.  In this case, Stanely claims the F-14 had just gotten new engines.  There is no way an aircraft with new engines would fly well out to sea for an FCF , it would stay within sight of, if not over, land for the entire test flight.  Oh, and a FCF would be undertaken with both crewmembers, not one.

3) Only five F-14s were lost in 1975, all five can be accounted for through the USN Safety Center.  None crash landed on an island in the South Pacific.

4) Stanley claims when Eddy first saw the mysterious green fog, he assumed it was from a ship in distress and continued on his merry way.  NO way, any naval aviator who even suspects a vessel is in distress will ignore it.  He'd probably go down to take a look, and it he believed the vessel was in trouble, he'd go on "Guard" frequency and sent out a distress call.  If he had the fuel, he'd then CAP the vessel until help arrived or he reached minimal (Bingo) fuel.  Even if he was low on fuel when first suspecting a ship in distress, he'd at least make a radio call and give its position before leaving the vessel.

How do these guests get by with such ludicrous stories?  This doesn't even come close to passing a sanity check.

[Yorkshire pud]

How do these guests get by with such ludicrous stories?  This doesn't even come close to passing a sanity check.

...Because they're not and don't expect to be pulled up on things like facts, common sense, and documented records.. The host is just waiting for the end of the show. Real/ False/ Made up/ Misunderstanding? Who cares, the salary is the same.

[Marc.Knight]

Stanley's main story last night was about a friend he called "Eddy" who disappeared for six months.  Eddie claimed to have been conducting a test flight of an F-14 USN fighter from Pearl Harbor in 1975.  He allegedly flew into a green fog, at which point his engines quit and he had to affect a gear-up landing on an uncharted island in the South Pacific.  He stayed on the island for six months before being allowed to leave.  Stanley's position is the pilot "could not have been on Earth", because the island had "no biting insects, no rodents...just not typical of an island in the South Pacific".

Raising the Bullshit Flag:

1) If Eddy was flying an F-14, where was his back-seater during all this?  All F-14s were two-seaters, a point I would have expected a host who claims to have been a naval officer to know and bring up. 

2) The test flight Eddy was allegedly undertaking is known as a 'Functional Check Flight" (FCF), and is done after significant maintenance is performed on an a/c.  In this case, Stanely claims the F-14 had just gotten new engines.  There is no way an aircraft with new engines would fly well out to sea for an FCF , it would stay within sight of, if not over, land for the entire test flight.  Oh, and a FCF would be undertaken with both crewmembers, not one.

3) Only five F-14s were lost in 1975, all five can be accounted for through the USN Safety Center.  None crash landed on an island in the South Pacific.

4) Stanley claims when Eddy first saw the mysterious green fog, he assumed it was from a ship in distress and continued on his merry way.  NO way, any naval aviator who even suspects a vessel is in distress will ignore it.  He'd probably go down to take a look, and it he believed the vessel was in trouble, he'd go on "Guard" frequency and sent out a distress call.  If he had the fuel, he'd then CAP the vessel until help arrived or he reached minimal (Bingo) fuel.  Even if he was low on fuel when first suspecting a ship in distress, he'd at least make a radio call and give its position before leaving the vessel.

How do these guests get by with such ludicrous stories?  This doesn't even come close to passing a sanity check.

If you want unmitigated truth in subject matter then C2C is the wrong program to tune into.  This is the case under Noory and certainly was under Art.  Art would have asked a lot more intelligent, exploratory questions, and maybe even raised the bullshit flag, but it would all be within the context of paranormal entertainment.  Noory hears every 4th or 5th word and rarely knows which guest is on.

[awake]

Thank You for posting your points!  The thing about ignoring a vessel in distress thing bugged me but I had no idea about the other stuff.  This is a great example of how this show is simply bullshit, and what pisses me off is that there are real mysteries out there.  There are real unknowns and very interesting things that happen every day but I guess that might require effort to produce.  C2C is just shit.

[popple]

I didn't hear this show, but why is he telling the story for his friend and his friend not telling it? 

[Yorkshire pud]

Thank You for posting your points!  The thing about ignoring a vessel in distress thing bugged me but I had no idea about the other stuff.  This is a great example of how this show is simply bullshit, and what pisses me off is that there are real mysteries out there.  There are real unknowns and very interesting things that happen every day but I guess that might require effort to produce.  C2C is just shit.

The problem is wider than C2C or even talk radio. I don't know for sure, I haven't looked, but it wouldn't surprise me that the Tomcat (F14) story is on the net, embellished by someone and posted on YT as 'FACT, UFO Island' or somesuch bollox. The hard of thinking run with it, and stick their fingers in their ears at anything coming close t what Uncle Duke has stated. They're not interested in truth; they're interested in weird as fuck, and have no interest in rational explanation.

I didn't hear this show, but why is he telling the story for his friend and his friend not telling it? 

The cynical might say 'Eddy' doesn't and has never existed and that Stanley is full of shit.


There was a thread on this forum not that long ago (I can find it if you want) from someone who's 'ex vet friend' sat in a van and watched a 'silent' helicopter hover above a car, the occupants of which the police arrested. Now, logic asks why would the police use a silent heli in the fist place? Logic also point's out that there is no such thing. Chopped air, pushed down at several hundred RPM by a rotor disc can't do silent. The engine and tip noise can be quietened, but the downdraught and the noise is inescapable. But the poster hadn't thought it through.

[eben]

I like the part where he was on an island for 6 months, and didn't know if he was on Earth....you would think in 6 months time he could have looked up at the moon.

[coaster]

He also said that this Eddie guy was  a well known guest on coast but he didn't want Noory to reveal who he really was. it would not be hard to weed out the current coast guests to figure out who he is. Being a test pilot from the 70's would narrow it down quite a bit. I was hoping Noory would  let the name slip on air.

[John Smith]

Every time I hear a guest like RS, I want to begin an MSU (Making Shit Up) Hall of Fame Thread.
Sometimes this rambling, stream-of consciousness BS can be entertaining (rarely) if they have the right guest. Horrible radio.

[Sardondi]

...How do these guests get by with such ludicrous stories?  This doesn't even come close to passing a sanity check.

Because Uncle Duke isn't there to call Bullshit on them. Nicely done.

[Morgus]

any guesses on which past c2c guesr "Eddie" really is?
it was told that he has been a past c2c several times and used to be in the navy...

[Uncle Duke]

Because Uncle Duke isn't there to call Bullshit on them. Nicely done.

Thanks. 

My impression is Stanley is the kind of guy who would accuse me of being at best a debunker, at worst a government disinformation agent.  I'm neither, he just happened to talk about something I did for 30+ years.  If he'd been some other nut job talking about mining, GMO food, or herbal medicine, I'd have little to say (other than just applying a little critical thinking and common sense.)

[coaster]

any guesses on which past c2c guesr "Eddie" really is?
it was told that he has been a past c2c several times and used to be in the navy...

Maybe its Noory.

[Uncle Duke]

Maybe its Noory.

Noory was a Public Information Officer, not a naval aviator.  Based on things I've heard him say, or perhaps more importantly the things he hasn't said, he wasn't even a good POI.