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October Surprise

Started by Zircon, July 20, 2012, 12:33:34 PM

Sardondi

Quote from: Pragmier on October 30, 2012, 11:17:16 AM
This is nuts! Could never happen! Right! right?? Please no more 'surprises'  :(

There is absolutely no legal or Constitutional provision for it. But I'll bet my virtual ranch that won't stop cries from being raised at Daily Kos, DU, Media Matters, Talking Points Memo et al. to do some kind of ad hoc, jury-rigged proposal which will coincidentally work to the advantage of O. The justification: because it's "unfair" that blah blah. And as we all know, in O's America, the unwritten and imaginary "Unfairness Amendment" gives Democrats all the authority they need to do whatever they think best to "make things 'fair' ".

I hate sounding like a sour-ass cynic all the time. Unfortunately, about 40 years of observing my cousins on the other side of the aisle make me that way.

Quote from: Sardondi on October 30, 2012, 06:50:41 PM
There is absolutely no legal or Constitutional provision for it. But I'll bet my virtual ranch that won't stop cries from being raised at Daily Kos, DU, Media Matters, Talking Points Memo et al. to do some kind of ad hoc, jury-rigged proposal which will coincidentally work to the advantage of O. The justification: because it's "unfair" that blah blah. And as we all know, in O's America, the unwritten and imaginary "Unfairness Amendment" gives Democrats all the authority they need to do whatever they think best to "make things 'fair' ".

I hate sounding like a sour-ass cynic all the time. Unfortunately, about 40 years of observing my cousins on the other side of the aisle make me that way.


Does the Hurricane help or hurt Obama?

It gets Bengazi off the front page of the internet.  It shows him being 'Presidential' - if he's competent enough to do so without looking like he's doing it for political reasons.  Since his game plan is to run out the clock, it kills at least a few news cycles.  It slows Romneys momentum.  Will it be easier for the D's to rig the results in the Hurricane affected areas - more phony voters, more fake ballots or certain ballots thrown away, easier to rig machines without as many potential observers, etc.

On the other hand, his base - the lazy and illiterate - will be less likely to got to the polls in the affected areas, while the people who want to dump him will still be sure to vote.  Unless there are more Conservative strongholds that are just completely unable to vote.  Will the ACORN traveling band of fraudulent voters want to get on buses to go vote across state borders in all this Hurricane mess?  Will illegals and other non-citizens still make the effort to go vote?

I'm not sure it's clear which side this helps or hurts.


Zircon

I would say it helps by agreeing with your "Benghazi" comment. The storm hits the Obama-rich NE Atlantic states (New York, New Jersey, Delaware and Maryland). He looks presidential even though the executive branch of government doesn't really have much to do except authorize emergency federal aid. Even with this storm guaranteed to hit the region he made it down to Florida to campaign. His campaign managers must have told him how bad this is going to look if he doesn't get back to the troubled area immediately.

As to voter fraud ... it happens in this region a lot and the states I mentioned have already been ceded to Obama by the republicans. The dems own those states.

Notice how the liberal media didn't take any time off in attacking Romney even though Romney decided to lay off campaigning for a couple of days as it might seem inappropriate with the president preoccupied. Actually Obama is almost guaranteed to be spending his time working out a crash-course five day strategy.

Now Chris Christie was interviewed by Fox and had nothing to say but praise for Obama's speaking with him and provided everything Christie asked for. The governor said politics is off at this time as there are far more important things to deal with at this time. Obviously Obama would agree.

Obama scored points with this storm event. The momentum Benghazi had in effecting his campaign has been spent. Hopefully enough doubt about his demonstrated leadership and trust will have already been raised and considered and will carry into next Tuesday. Expect no more Benghazi momentum and minimal mention of it.

Quote from: Zircon on October 30, 2012, 11:28:11 PM
... Now Chris Christie was interviewed by Fox and had nothing to say but praise for Obama's speaking with him and provided everything Christie asked for. The governor said politics is off at this time...

Great example of why Conservatives should not support the RINOs when given a choice.  No D office holder would consider putting politics aside, ever.  But the R's are always supposed to, and end up doing so.


Quote from: Zircon on October 30, 2012, 11:28:11 PM
... The momentum Benghazi had in effecting his campaign has been spent. Hopefully enough doubt about his demonstrated leadership and trust will have already been raised and considered and will carry into next Tuesday. Expect no more Benghazi momentum and minimal mention of it.


Maybe, maybe not.  The Phony Media was never reporting on it honestly anyway, there's no reason for the other outlets that are actually doing their jobs as journalists to let up.  Depends on what else comes up after the hurricane, and whether there is any new Benghazi news - the people trying to get to the bottom of it sure aren't going to stop looking into it.

Zircon

Yeah P*B, the republicans seem to do that a lot. I wonder what the proportions are between genuine appreciation and attempting to placate and get along. Christie's New Jersey is in some serious hurt. He is appreciative since neither man, Obama or Christie thinks much of each other in the political arena. Notice how the media got a pix of The One in the Situation Room (over a Hurricane he has no control over). Never attends his security briefings. Number One role of the President is to be "Commander in Chief" or the Armed Forces. Not the head of the National Weather Bureau.

I think even Fox will be focused on the percentages of "undecided" voters and tallying electoral vote counts over and again in the talking head shows. He's headed out to Vegas again you know.

Pragmier

I agree the storm has drawn attention from Benghazi and helps Obama. But he does have to be careful and not make any mistakes.

Quote from: Paper*Boy on October 30, 2012, 11:56:30 PM
Great example of why Conservatives should not support the RINOs when given a choice. 

Go ahead GOP, run a far-right loyalist in NJ. Something tells me if Christie was the idea of a 'true conservative' he wouldn't be governor of his state. I find his comments refreshing. He obviously cares about NJ and is putting it first; or for the cynics, he knows he's got reelection coming in a heavily Dem state. It is possible to be conservative, liberal, whatever and still recognize areas of agreement. The idea that WE are always right and THEY are always wrong is ridiculous.

I had a similar reaction to Corey Booker's comments criticizing team Obama's Bain ads. Good for him he spoke his mind - then the machine pounced. That was wrong also. The requirement to conform to party lines at all cost is sickening. You can't fit 315 million people into half a dozen ideologies.

Quote from: Pragmier on October 31, 2012, 12:41:52 PM
... Go ahead GOP, run a far-right loyalist in NJ. Something tells me if Christie was the idea of a 'true conservative' he wouldn't be governor of his state. I find his comments refreshing. He obviously cares about NJ and is putting it first; or for the cynics, he knows he's got reelection coming in a heavily Dem state. It is possible to be conservative, liberal, whatever and still recognize areas of agreement. The idea that WE are always right and THEY are always wrong is ridiculous.

I had a similar reaction to Corey Booker's comments criticizing team Obama's Bain ads. Good for him he spoke his mind - then the machine pounced. That was wrong also. The requirement to conform to party lines at all cost is sickening. You can't fit 315 million people into half a dozen ideologies.


That's all true and after I posted I realized I should have explained a bit more:

IMO, Christie should have done everything he did do except state that it was 'time to put politics aside', then basically go campaign with Obama.  A week before a very close and very important election.  An election more important than this storm and more important than Gov Christie's re-election.

This is a guy that's very likely going to run for President as an R in either 2016 or 2020 and after helping Obama now he's going to want our votes in the Primaries at that time.  In other words another McCain.  Just pointin' it out.

Pragmier

I would, and have, voted for moderate Reps. He's scored points with many potential swing voters. Nothing wrong with that. But I see your point, the guy HAS been very enthusiastic in his praise. But when is Christie half-assed about anything he does? I really want to see more moderates make it through primaries on both sides, we deserve it.

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