Art Bell

[norland2424]

yea it only popped uped here and on 4chan

[K_Dubb]

Isn't he the one who just faked the Art quits Netflix post?

[norland2424]

Isn't he the one who just faked the Art quits Netflix post?

yup

[nooryisawesome]

Don't. Needs corroboration.

I just don't see why he or she would make it up?

It will obviously be debunked fairly quickly if it is not true. But you are probably right, could just be sixweektenure is trying to further destabilize MITD and DMDN by spreading rumors.

Then again it could be true. Now I need corroboration 

[SciFiAuthor]

I just don't see why he or she would make it up?

It will obviously be debunked fairly quickly if it is not true.

No idea either, but evidence is lacking.

[norland2424]

I just don't see why he or she would make it up?

It will obviously be debunked fairly quickly if it is not true. But you are probably right, could just be sixweektenure is trying to further destabilize MITD and DMDN by spreading rumors.

Then again it could be true. Now I need corroboration 

google it like i did and the only results are on bellgab and 4chan.

[3OctaveFart]

Hope Art catches his "Stalker" in 2016.

[ponyboysunset]

You all missed it. SixWeeksTenure is getting his prediction in early and I think it will be a big DING! My prediction? More returning and more quitting. I am so glad this thread is not a law making body. A lot of people here don't realize how fascist they sound. WB cat smile your posts are epic:)

[Yorkshire pud]

No idea either, but evidence is lacking.

It should have been more inventive and said the stalker had been caught to make it fact.  :

[cosmic hobo]

Honestly bro, if I had a company hitting the rocks so bad that people were sent home. This site would be the last thing on my mind. Much less Art Bell flaking out yet again, or everyone having a shit fit about it.

Sorry for your loss. May the new year be much kinder to you than this year.

I imagine Catsmile to have a dossier on everyone on Bell gab with everything they've ever said on the site or the various podcasts ready to use against them. No wonder he's constantly pimping the phone numbers in the live threads.

[cosmic hobo]

You all missed it. SixWeeksTenure is getting his prediction in early and I think it will be a big DING! My prediction? More returning and more quitting. I am so glad this thread is not a law making body. A lot of people here don't realize how fascist they sound. WB cat smile your posts are epic:)

I wonder if you'd be this smug if Rollye had a fake stalker.

[Value Of Pi]

You all missed it. SixWeeksTenure is getting his prediction in early and I think it will be a big DING! My prediction? More returning and more quitting. I am so glad this thread is not a law making body. A lot of people here don't realize how fascist they sound. WB cat smile your posts are epic:)

More returning and more quitting might just be wishful thinking. It's a pattern for Art but all patterns have to end sometime. At a certain point, other priorities just assert themselves and win out over old habits and old passions. Art may very well have reached that stage, finally. And that, in turn, will decide the fate of this thread and maybe this entire site. Every living thing has a life cycle.

[ponyboysunset]

I wonder if you'd be this smug if Rollye had a fake stalker.

Bwhahahahahaha. She's had real ones. Lost a few friends over the years to them. Her announcer was murdered.

http://www.westword.com/news/harvey-morrow-convicted-of-murdering-legendary-denver-dj-steven-b-williams-5839783

Oh yeah, and she loathes social media. But this is the same woman who drives a car with only a tape deck. Yet runs her whole show, except for call screening, her husband does that. Rollye uses technology as it suits her, beyond that she hates it. Oh and she's a Mac person

More returning and more quitting might just be wishful thinking. It's a pattern for Art but all patterns have to end sometime. At a certain point, other priorities just assert themselves and win out over old habits and old passions. Art may very well have reached that stage, finally. And that, in turn, will decide the fate of this thread and maybe this entire site. Every living thing has a life cycle.

Nah, bellgab will still be here. It was here for years as coastgab, and will continue to exist afterwards. *If he somehow manages to curb coming here people will still talk about him. In fact the views and comments may go back up as many people, myself included, long for the days before, when we were talking about the Order of the Mystic gerbil, instead of debating who wants to kill an aging internet radio broadcaster. But I digress

[BellBoy]

Whatever is going on with DMDN, Amy has been given the axe.  :



https://twitter.com/hauntedskeptic_

[ponyboysunset]

Whatever is going on with DMDN, Amy has been given the axe.  :



https://twitter.com/hauntedskeptic_

Budget cuts if I were to guess. The amount of lying is insane. The network is done. Calling it.

Also, question I'm throwing out there for you pirahnas with laser beams, is Art libel for accusing DP of being his stalker? Someone did tell Art that DP is in Michigan, right? I'm confused. 

[Value Of Pi]

Nah, bellgab will still be here. It was here for years as coastgab, and will continue to exist afterwards. *If he somehow manages to curb coming here people will still talk about him. In fact the views and comments may go back up as many people, myself included, long for the days before, when we were talking about the Order of the Mystic gerbil, instead of debating who wants to kill an aging internet radio broadcaster. But I digress

I hope you're right. But I think this place will definitely need to evolve. MV clearly understands the whole identity challenge and the reality that things won't be able to just stay static. There is a good core group here but he'll need new visitors and members. Of course, for someone who started with two tin cans and basic message board software, it's all pretty much gravy.

[ponyboysunset]

I hope you're right. But I think this place will definitely need to evolve. MV clearly understands the whole identity challenge and the reality that things won't be able to just stay static. There is a good core group here but he'll need new visitors and members. Of course, for someone who started with two tin cans and basic message board software, it's all pretty much gravy.

I think the people who have always been here will be. Those that survived this round of stuff anyway. People have bailed, but some have only moved to other threads. Oh and my take on the Dark Matter Digital Radio network:

[ge30542]

Gave a listen to MITD last night. made it through the story, (with 911 audio), about a sasquatch sighting, ( first, 4? minutes of the show).
In a period of about a minute and a half, the host, while speaking, gave five of those partial throat clears. You can tell when one is "productively" clearing their throat, this was not that. It sounded like a nervous tic, (pressure?).
Also, it finally occurred to me, the host's speaking style is that of a teacher, reading to her kindergarten class, putting  too much emphasis on words.  "and the PAPA bear said WHO'S been eating MY PORRIDGE.  Sounded really forced. NO on air TALENT skills.
Poor Keith Rowland, (love to hear his honest take on this fucking train wreck).

[Value Of Pi]

Budget cuts if I were to guess. The amount of lying is insane. The network is done. Calling it.

Also, question I'm throwing out there for you pirahnas with laser beams, is Art libel for accusing DP of being his stalker? Someone did tell Art that DP is in Michigan, right? I'm confused. 

I don't think Art made that accusation. He may have speculated, not the same thing. Art shouldn't have to even consider being sued by DP. If anything, it's the other way around.

[ge30542]

Whatever is going on with DMDN, Amy has been given the axe.  :



https://twitter.com/hauntedskeptic_

You mean, Art Bell's actions effect others?     SHI-ZAAM!

[ponyboysunset]

Gave a listen to MITD last night. made it through the story, (with 911 audio), about a sasquatch sighting, ( first, 4? minutes of the show).
In a period of about a minute and a half, the host, while speaking, gave five of those partial throat clears. You can tell when one is "productively" clearing their throat, this was not that. It sounded like a nervous tic, (pressure?).
Also, it finally occurred to me, the host's speaking style is that of a teacher, reading to her kindergarten class, putting  too much emphasis on words.  "and the PAPA bear said WHO'S been eating MY PORRIDGE.  Sounded really forced. NO on air TALENT skills.
Poor Keith Rowland, (love to hear his honest take on this fucking train wreck).

You see doing a podcast with friends where you can bounce ideas and topics off of one another is easy. It requires very little skill. Now, monologuing, that is a skill and one that does not developed overnight. Interviewing is equally challenging IMO.

As nbirnes and I debated the other night on her show, she said loyalty over skill, and I say skill over loyalty myself. It's a job, treat it as such. I work with people I hate, but it is work, I do it, go home and don't think much about it. You hire a fan with no professional, singular radio experience and this is what you get. It's why people got to school for broadcasting. You also have to work well under pressure, thrive. I love being under pressure, it's when I do my best work. For most people it's a nightmare. The long and short of it is that I totally agree with your post.

[ge30542]

You see doing a podcast with friends where you can bounce ideas and topics off of one another is easy. It requires very little skill. Now, monologuing, that is a skill and one not developed overnight. Interviewing is equally challenging IMO.

As nbirnes and I debated the other night on her show, she said loyalty over skill, and I say skill over loyalty myself. It's a job, treat it as such. I work with people I hate, but it is work, I do it, go home and don't think much about it. You hire a fan with no professional, singular radio experience and this is what you get. It's why people got to school for broadcasting. You also have to work well under pressure, thrive. I love being under pressure, it's when I do my best work. For most people it's a nightmare. The long and short of it is that I totally agree with your post.

Broadcasting School, indeed.
Ah, pressure, if not for the last minute, nothing would get done.

[Meister_000]

It probably is best suited to politics- but this thread is already a train wreck...

I suppose I ask what "makes a right a right" because I actually did head through the museum of human rights when I was in Winnipeg.  Interestingly, even they never dare to actually answer that question. 

I guess that my point was simply that words on paper make a nice starting point- give a nice idea of what a society does (or at least wants to) believe at a given point in time.  However, the idea of an actual right should go beyond simply saying that because the constitution says I have a certain right, I do...

It also raises the question of Basic human right vs. constitutionally guaranteed right.  Perhaps that paper and laws are all that you can hold onto when considering your constitutionally guaranteed rights- but the basic rights should run much deeper...And I suppose that I would at least like to believe that the right to free speech falls into the "basic" human rights category where it should be extended to all world citizens regardless of what their governments decree or what paper a dictator or king happens to sign in some little banana republic.

That's it.  Enough thinking and time for slumber.  G'night.

Hi WORT. If this is a serious question, you have tapped the main-line, and could easily spend the rest of your life digesting all there is to learn about the notion of Rights and it's history. No other question has occupied the best minds on this planet more, and actively, for the past 500 years. The Age of Reason, The Enlightenment, and it's Philosophy, Theology, Ethics, Political Science, all of it, centered upon revolved around, hinged upon, evolved out of humankind's inquiry into two inter-related and inter-dependent ideas, those of Natural Law and by extension Natural Rights and ultimately arriving at Human Rights only very recently -- largely a 20th century extension of ancient principles.

A couple of quick notes. Natural Law theory and writings come first in the historical sequence, initiated most deliberately via Roman Law (as in 1st century Roman Empire, the Stoic Philosophers, etc). Very similar ideas are the ground of the then contemporary early Christianity, e.g. The Golden Rule, human Conscience "Written on the Heart". The great revival of Natural Law tradition occurred in the 12th and 13th centuries, kicked-off by the recovery of Roman Law (Civil Law and Natural Law both) via "Justinian's Code". The English Magna Carta (Rights and Authorities document) happens here too, within this time zone. Thomas Aquinas (Summa Theologica, THE classic Catholic Natural Law statement is therein) is right there too, late 1200's.

Skipping over large parts of the story; during the Enlightenment, all roads led to and from Natural Law theories (and in the Physical Sciences as well), all sides and parties, Left, Right, Religious and Secular, claimed Natural Law as their #1 source and validator. The only and the biggest question was, does such Natural Law come from God? or Nature? -- Nature here including Human Nature and natural Human faculties of Reason (in particular) but also the notion of natural human animal Conscience (a feeling/emotion rather than rigorous Rational Reason). Where and with whom or what does ultimate Authority rest, and the scope or/and limits and warrants of said Authority. That was the big question and the battle ground. Natural Law come Natural Rights, that is where you must go (in history of Philosophy and Political Science and Ethics) to get your answers.

Of note is the fact that, Muslim/Islamic culture and law is largely devoid of this key step into modernity, the Natural Law/Rights thread and track. Their growth and consciousness and practice has been stunted, they are "arrested development", deficient, explicitly for want of this one exact key bit, they are "behind" by many many many centuries.

One last time-saver you must by apprised of. Since c.1980, the Catholics (God damn them for this)  have utterly and thoroughly desecrated this Holy-of-Holys, humankind's most sacred birth-right, that of Natural Law and it's recorded history on this planet. They have perpetrated this crime-upon-humanity Actively but deceptively, deceitfully, by subterfuge, in a last ditch effort to justify their Medieval Doctrine and Dogma. Since 1980, when few were looking, they have flooded the market place, deliberately poisoning the well for all future generations, with literally thousands of new book titles containing the words Natural Law (or sometimes New Natural Law). An unsuspecting learner and buyer would have no clue by cover and title alone the fraud that awaits them. Solution, be very cautious and leary, suspect until proven otherwise, of any title with a 1st ed pub date after 1980. [Your enemy is the Grisez, Finnis, George, Boyle, Budziszewski, crew and legions of copy-cats.]  There are, however, a small number of recent must have and respectable titles by the likes of e.g. Brian Tierney, Richard Tuck, and others (Historians)

Natural Law
@ Wikipedia https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_law

Natural Rights  (compare human Legislated or Legal,  Statutory, Civil, Juridical, etc)
@Wikipedia https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_and_legal_rights

Human Rights
@ Wikipedia https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights

[ge30542]

I've got a right ta feelin' lowdown.

[ponyboysunset]

I have come to believe he just might be my Stalker.
Art

Never mind I found my own answer. Not that I agree with bringing up someone's horrible family troubles. I don't. But as a celebrity one has to expect this is coming.

It will be interesting to see what else develops out of this situation, but I suspect not much.

[SredniVashtar]

Also, question I'm throwing out there for you pirahnas with laser beams, is Art libel for accusing DP of being his stalker? Someone did tell Art that DP is in Michigan, right? I'm confused. 

I would imagine that you can't libel DP in the same way that you can't libel Heather. Neither of them has a real world identity that you can attach to them, so it would be difficult, if not impossible, to prove that they had been injured in any way by what someone says about them on a forum. It's like trying to punch air, there is nothing tangible to hit. If DP wanted to make an issue of it, he'd need to go public and claim that his personal or professional reputation had suffered. Which is unlikely. Art didn't say that he was the stalker in so many words anyway, of course, so he can't be nailed for that.

[ponyboysunset]

I would imagine that you can't libel DP in the same way that you can't libel Heather. Neither of them has a real world identity that you can attach to them, so it would be difficult, if not impossible, to prove that they had been injured in any way by what someone says about them on a forum. It's like trying to punch air, there is nothing tangible to hit. If DP wanted to make an issue of it, he'd need to go public and claim that his personal or professional reputation had suffered. Which is unlikely. Art didn't say that he was the stalker in so many words anyway, of course, so he can't be nailed for that.

No his language as always was careful. Thanks for weighing in. I might head over to the Falkie thread soon. Have a Happy New Year SV!

[SredniVashtar]

No his language as always was careful. Thanks for weighing in. I might head over to the Falkie thread soon. Have a Happy New Year SV!

Yes, you too, PBS! 

[GolfGuy]

Sounds like DMDN might be done? I have no idea what this means.


Looks like we've found Art's "Stalker"...

I got an email notice from Live365 yesterday informing me of the royalty fee increases and how it would pretty much shut them down.  Took me about 30 seconds to wonder if this was also Art's stalker like you did..  I'm pretty certain he had to have an idea this was going to happen a couple months ago.

[Ciardelo]

Maybe he shoukd sleep with some of that sticky foam Pamela Menges was talking about last night so he could catch those little bastards.