Art Bell

[Philosopher]

Well for once I agree with you, no more Drama thank you, I have things to do in life and this board much as I have enjoyed being a member in the past is not what it once was so I get it, I will leave now.

Art

Yes, indeed, the sum of this thread's exercise in futility has generated nothing but a nasty, little slice of electronic Hell.  Why then, are sensitive people drawn to return again and again to curse the pyres of Gehenna?  Let it go.

[slippingaway]

Oh, and by the way, I'm in a fairly pissy mood so I'll just take advantage of it to make the following point.

To all of you tireless defenders of the First Amendment and the right of free speech, let it be known that the biggest threat to that right continues to be people who abuse it. And if you don't understand how free speech can be abused and why it's a problem, you are part of the problem. And now, I need food. I'm cranky but the point stands.

Yeah, but doesn't that apply to all the ammendments?  The right to bear arms being mangled because a couple of whackos with guns shoot up a few gun free zones?  The freedom of religion being mangled because it's exclusive of Muslim kids during December? The rights protecting against unlawful search and siezure just because of that plume of pot smoke coming out when the cops come a' knocking? And we musn't forget how the 5th ammendment being constantly abused by mimes?

I forgot where I was going with this, but the main point is, fuck mimes...

[SixWeekTenure(tm)]

Enhance!

Red eyes.  Shouldn't there be red eyes lurking out there in the dark.

It's only Eiger, no cause for alarm. She's probably there on security detail for the Bell family.

[Catsmile]

Which thread do you good folks recommend for Art Bell fans to frequent?

For noobiez may I suggest starting here:

http://bellgab.com/index.php/topic,5069.0.html

Good read all 700 plus pages of it.
When you've read that thread, other recommendations I may have.

[Catsmile]

Enhance!

BY GOD, YOU FOUND MR. Figment!!!1

[Catsmile]

Oh, and by the way, I'm in a fairly pissy mood so I'll just take advantage of it to make the following point.

To all of you tireless defenders of the First Amendment and the right of free speech, let it be known that the biggest threat to that right continues to be people who abuse it. And if you don't understand how free speech can be abused and why it's a problem, you are part of the problem. And now, I need food. I'm cranky but the point stands.

The point of you wanting to silence those that you don't agree with?
We need us a good book burning around here, HELL YEAH!!

[The Snorchlax]

yay Art is posting again

[GravitySucks]

yay Art is posting again

STFU

[Catsmile]

This thread went from something so interesting and positive before the launch of MITD and during its run...and now to complete shit...

well, as long as you are all enjoying yourselves, all the best!

Honestly bro, if I had a company hitting the rocks so bad that people were sent home. This site would be the last thing on my mind. Much less Art Bell flaking out yet again, or everyone having a shit fit about it.

Sorry for your loss. May the new year be much kinder to you than this year. 

[Value Of Pi]

Yeah, but doesn't that apply to all the ammendments?  The right to bear arms being mangled because a couple of whackos with guns shoot up a few gun free zones?  The freedom of religion being mangled because it's exclusive of Muslim kids during December? The rights protecting against unlawful search and siezure just because of that plume of pot smoke coming out when the cops come a' knocking? And we musn't forget how the 5th ammendment being constantly abused by mimes?

I forgot where I was going with this, but the main point is, fuck mimes...

Can't say all of them, offhand, but definitely some. None of our rights are absolute and if enough people are irresponsible enough, often enough, in how they behave and exercise those rights, the reaction can put those rights at risk. With rights come responsibilities.

And yeah, we do have some free speech absolutists on this site who probably wouldn't understand where their philosophy could lead. And then there are a bunch of very bright people. You impress me as one of them.

[Value Of Pi]

The point of you wanting to silence those that you don't agree with?
We need us a good book burning around here, HELL YEAH!!

Ask slippingaway. He/she grasps the concept. And without any knee-jerk responses.

Still cranky, sorry about that.

[Richard Groyper]

I have a defamation lawyer on speed dial.

Art Bell has a strong case against DP.  The legal standard for libel has been met, including actual malice, which applies to public figures in some instances.  He’s done a smart job of laying the foundation for damages in this case.  A promissory estoppel argument could remove the shield of Section 230 immunity.  If DP has few assets, Art may consider a criminal complaint for cyberstalking, a Class C-3 felony in his venue, for which the required elements have likewise been met. 

Don’t ask me to explain it, I’m not a lawyer.

You're not a lawer; none of your assertions hold water. 

[The Snorchlax]

Well for once I agree with you, no more Drama thank you, I have things to do in life and this board much as I have enjoyed being a member in the past is not what it once was so I get it, I will leave now.

Art

and he's gone again!

[ItsOver]

and he's gone again!

[slippingaway]

Can't say all of them, offhand, but definitely some. None of our rights are absolute and if enough people are irresponsible enough, often enough, in how they behave and exercise those rights, the reaction can put those rights at risk. With rights come responsibilities.

And yeah, we do have some free speech absolutists on this site who probably wouldn't understand where their philosophy could lead. And then there are a bunch of very bright people. You impress me as one of them.

I pray for the day when humanity evolves to be self-governing.  I follow a very old rule above almost all others, "An it harm none, do what ye will." It stems from the Wiccan Rede.  I don't confine myself to any one religious dogma doctrine. There is still some sage wisdom to be gathered there.  Sage wisdom in the Bible too, but my karma ran over my dogma a long, long time ago.

But I digress... I will take these strange derivations away from the Art Bell thread. It is true that this thread has taken on a life of it's own, and should be aborted, or perhaps locked into read-only mode by MV

Cya all in the MITD with Heather threads, and elsewhere.  Just because 90% of my postings have been in this thread doesn't mean I can't expand/expound beyond my conditioning...

BTW, I'm a guy. But like most in my generation, a generation raised by there mothers, I'm sure that there are plenty of less manly virtues that the preceding generation had.

[WOTR]

And haven't many of you been spewing that you believe every word that comes out of Art's mouth for years?

Even if that were  true, I fail to see how it is relevant.  If I were somebody who believed that St. Art could do no wrong, then it makes sense that I would continue here hoping for a little crumb of validation having Art post.  If I were somebody who posted over and over that I was done with Art, it would follow that I would probably leave (or at least stop posting that I were done with him and move onto other threads as there are lots here that have nothing to do with the man who you are "done with.")

Either way, I really hope that somebody with a modicum of success will post here.  Heather, RCH, Art or even Dave.  I really just need to know that I am still relevant by posting on a site when one of these infallible demigods drops in to provide me with validation...

[Auslandia]

You're not a lawer; none of your assertions hold water. 

That lawyer of his must know that a public figure has a hell of an uphill battle suing for libel.

[Richard Groyper]

That lawyer of his must know that a public figure has a hell of an uphill battle suing for libel.

Apparently...

[DarKPenguiN]

That lawyer of his must know that a public figure has a hell of an uphill battle suing for libel.

I'll not speak on this matter too much but suffice it to say- Ms Cleo told me I can sleep easy on that front. Magic 8 ball agrees.

[Zenman]

Our grandparents had no time for drama queens and bullshitters - their word was their bond.

We need a depression to live thru.

[Richard Groyper]

We need a depression to live thru.

Art quitting is our 'great depression.'

[Richard Groyper]

It's a hard knock life!

[GravitySucks]

Art quitting is our 'great depression.'

#FirstWorldProblems

[Value Of Pi]

We need a depression to live thru.

There ought to be a better way to build character. But in the last hundred years, there probably hasn't been anything better than the Great Depression.

[Richard Groyper]

#FirstWorldProblems

Meh, I've been to war, and lived through combat. This is nothing.

[Coz]

"Not me!"

Berwyn.

[MV/Liberace!]

Honestly bro, if I had a company hitting the rocks so bad that people were sent home. This site would be the last thing on my mind.

I informed Chefist that "Jeb Will Fix It" so he's good on that.

[Lowquay]

We still have free speech- though I do worry about the future.  You are free to say whatever you wish (unless MV decides you crossed the line.)  You may face people being pissed- but you can still say it (though some countries have laws against "inciting hate crimes"- which is a crock...)

Nowhere is my "right" to say that Art Bell is a man without flaws and a saint guaranteed to be met without criticism.  Nowhere is my "right" to question Art's decisions or truthfulness guaranteed to be met without criticism.  You still have free speech to question the words of others and make whatever statement you wish- but others have the same right.

As to our grandparents... Whatever happened to civility (genuine or feigned?)  I would argue that people feigned civility in many instances.  However, if you want to return to that time, I demand you call me "sir", laugh at my shitty jokes, smile when I speak with you, act with manners and be courteous at all times.  In addition, if you are under 18, I would remind you that children are meant to be seen and not heard.

Or, we can live in today's world where you still have free speech, and I will defend to the death your right to hold whatever opinion you wish, but will still continue to tell you what I think of those opinions.

Riiight. You just made my point by rewording it. Kudos. I was talking about the veiled threats to DP's family someone made just because the dude looked up a video anyone can find in a five second google search and posted it.

[Catsmile]

Ask slippingaway. He/she grasps the concept. And without any knee-jerk responses.

Still cranky, sorry about that.

Our Forefathers grasped a concept also, that dealt with knee jerk responses. 
I really don't think you grasp what a RIGHT is, as you seem to be confusing it with PRIVILEGE... You and your friend may not be as bright as you believe.
Keep cranking away.

THE DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE

   ...

       "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created
        equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain
        unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the
        pursuit of Happiness."

"--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed.

...

BILL OF RIGHTS

Amendment I

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

Amendment II

A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

...

http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/declaration_transcript.html
http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/bill_of_rights_transcript.html

[Catops]

This thread is defibrillating, but apparently that's just the new normal.