Art Bell

[Chronaut]

Well I am trying to help.

Ok, all who are true believers identify yourselves so the penguin can patronize you into a better understanding of human nature, as he has come here to do.  I have been disqualified for some reason.

It's all very confusing.  Are the "true believers" the people who accept the facts available and favor the skeptical assessment that the facts speak for themselves?  Or are the "true believers" the people who think there's a conspiracy afoot and Art, Heather, Art's neighbors and the police are all working together to fabricate some bizarre stalker story because Art couldn't just say "I'd like to take a break from the show for awhile"?

And why does it matter what I think?  And why does it matter what anyone thinks about what I think?  I could care less what the "other side" thinks.  It would be nice if they would just stfu about it already; it's boring as hell.

[Element 115]

Nobody cares.

Someone puts a lot of thought and depth into a post and all you say is "Nobody cares"? I thought it was a great post, DarkPenguin. I see what you mean by patterns and placing blame on others, playing the victim, etc.

[ge30542]

It seems that Art gets some huge thrill from doing this over and over and over and over...throwing the carrots:

Is it possible that he gets NO thrill from this?
Maybe he hates himself for doing it.

[Freyja]

I think the pattern screams sociopath.

From the way he walked away from his first wife and child, to the never ending quitting and drama and stringing along his fans and everything in between.

Honestly, the way he left his first family alone is enough imho to see that he has very little compassion/humanity. The rest is just icing on the sociopath cake.

I'm not a shrink either- So who knows? Maybe he is the most honest, loving, compassionate , good natured human being who has a conscience. I wouldnt bet on it though.

Its all speculation though at this point. We'll never know so thats what we're left with.

You either look at the big picture and decide Art is the victim yet again- Or you see someone who tries to play the victim card every single time. Truth is, we can only guess.

+1...if it quacks like a duck, it usually is one.

I really don't want to go here, but if any of you do, just google what Art's older children have to say about their experience with their father.

[HumanBeing]

^^^THIS^^^^

Sadly some are blinded by their need to worship a celebrity to be able to use reason and see patterns in behavior.

[DarKPenguiN]

You should have been here a week or two ago.  I don't think this is the heaving throng of benighted rabble awaiting your cynical gospel that you envision.  Maybe try Art's Facebook?  I've heard they're craaaazy.

I wish I would have been here- I only found out he quit again recently on an unrelated forum so I lurked here a couple days and then logged in.

Arts faceboook is probably more heavily censored than the other Art bell fan pages and I wouldnt get very far, would I? Plus the sheer gullibility that I suspect would exude from that place would honestly make me question if humanity even deserves to survive another century.

I think I'll stay here and I'm sorry if you dont like it. You could always start your own forum called "The Art bell echo Chamber" where only sycophants are welcome. That might make dealing with opposing opinions better when you can just censor them away and have a nice little safe space.

Otherwise you're just going to have to deal with me unless MV (y'know the owner) decides i've went to far- Which I'm trying not to do btw. OR theres always the ignore function to assure that nobody with a differing opinions and world views can ever enter your bubble.

[DarKPenguiN]

It's all very confusing.  Are the "true believers" the people who accept the facts available and favor the skeptical assessment that the facts speak for themselves?  Or are the "true believers" the people who think there's a conspiracy afoot and Art, Heather, Art's neighbors and the police are all working together to fabricate some bizarre stalker story because Art couldn't just say "I'd like to take a break from the show for awhile"?

And why does it matter what I think?  And why does it matter what anyone thinks about what I think?  I could care less what the "other side" thinks.  It would be nice if they would just stfu about it already; it's boring as hell.

It would be  nice if the gullible idiots would STFU and go away so we ncould talk about Art quitting YET AGAIN and it not being his fault YET again- Without being bothered.

K THX BY

[HumanBeing]

Are you drunk? Or is English your second language?

As far as my being a mind reader, no but I can see patterns in others behaviors. I would question why you seem to believe any old story that you are told when there are holes large enough to drive through. As long as there are True Believers : such as yourself posting your defense, there will be those that oppose the Kool Aid drinking. Both sides are equally free to share their views.

[K_Dubb]

It's all very confusing.  Are the "true believers" the people who accept the facts available and favor the skeptical assessment that the facts speak for themselves?  Or are the "true believers" the people who think there's a conspiracy afoot and Art, Heather, Art's neighbors and the police are all working together to fabricate some bizarre stalker story because Art couldn't just say "I'd like to take a break from the show for awhile"?

And why does it matter what I think?  And why does it matter what anyone thinks about what I think?  I could care less what the "other side" thinks.  It would be nice if they would just stfu about it already; it's boring as hell.

Well, I'd have to defer to the penguin, but I think true believers who deify Art are an imaginary construct against which the poor fools who imagine themselves wiser than the rest of us can prop up their egos.

[Inglorious Bitch]

Yeah, it sucks when I "try too hard" with some logic. Good work, Sparky. You get a shiny gold star from Art. Happy?

[DarKPenguiN]

Someone puts a lot of thought and depth into a post and all you say is "Nobody cares"? I thought it was a great post, DarkPenguin. I see what you mean by patterns and placing blame on others, playing the victim, etc.

Thank you and I'm really not trying to be offensive towards anyone here. I want to discuss this and one side is doing nothing but trying to shut down discussion.

[ge30542]

+1...if it quacks like a duck, it usually is one.

I really don't want to go here, but if any of you do, just google what Art's older children have to say about their experience with their father.

"Turn your radio off, please".

[HumanBeing]

There you go again--throw the insults out when others disagree.  I'm either drunk, don't understand English or a kool aid drinker.  I don't know what happened this time with Art--so I'm not buying any story.  Fine with both sides saying what they want but this need to say if others disagree with you they are dupes or fools or whatever is lame.

Reported* x 2

- for standing your ground for what you believe in
- for being awesome

[Chronaut]

Someone puts a lot of thought and depth into a post and all you say is "Nobody cares"? I thought it was a great post, DarkPenguin. I see what you mean by patterns and placing blame on others, playing the victim, etc.

I thought it was a good post about his alcoholic uncle.  But it's obviously inapplicable to Art's situation:  Art is not an alcoholic, he's taken responsibility for his hasty words two weeks ago, and he's actually being stalked by one or more freaks.

It's just one specious parallel after another, and I can understand people being sick of it.  God knows I am.  You'd think they were handling out Armchair Psychology degrees around here, with all the shitty psychoanalysis flying around this thread lately.

[Freyja]

Damn...Well said

/drop mic

[HumanBeing]

Art is on wife #4.

From his wiki page:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Art_Bell

Sachiko Toguchi Bell Pontius (dates uncertain; divorced)
Sakamoto Kyo Bell (dates uncertain; divorced)
Ramona Bell (August 1991 â€" January 5, 2006 †)
Airyn Ruiz Bell (April 11, 2006 â€" present)[2]

What's how many wives he has had got to do with this? 

[Element 115]

I thought it was a good post about his alcoholic uncle.  But it's obviously inapplicable to Art's situation:  Art is not an alcoholic, he's taken responsibility for his hasty words two weeks ago, and he's actually being stalked by one or more freaks.

It's just one specious parallel after another, and I can understand people being sick of it.  God knows I am.  You'd think they were handling out Armchair Psychology degrees around here, with all the shitty psychoanalysis flying around this thread lately.

I hear ya. It was a good post about patterns. Parallel to Art's quitting. However, I do lean more toward the belief that someone is harassing and threatening him and his family. I hope he is back soon.

[DarKPenguiN]

I thought it was a good post about his alcoholic uncle.  But it's obviously inapplicable to Art's situation:  Art is not an alcoholic, he's taken responsibility for his hasty words two weeks ago, and he's actually being stalked by one or more freaks.

It's just one specious parallel after another, and I can understand people being sick of it.  God knows I am.  You'd think they were handling out Armchair Psychology degrees around here, with all the shitty psychoanalysis flying around this thread lately.

Isnt that the nature of any forum?

I understand we arent going to solve world hunger and such- We arent going to get answers and facts that everyone agrees upon and we will will never agree on what we speculate has happened or if Art is truthful .

Thats the nature of discussion and debate though in all forums and most situations. if we only dealt in facts and only all agreed or took what someone said as gospel (when they have a pattern) then why have a forum at all? to just agree with each other in a giant circle jerk? Speculation is the nature of the beast and its what we are left with .

[BellBoy]

RIP Lemmy....that would have been a great interview for Art lol

Fuck. RIP Lemmy.

(seriously, fuck)

[ge30542]

What's how many wives he has had got to do with this? 

GEEZ!
Mickey Rooney was married, what, 8 times?
Don't hear no one calling HIM a sociopath.

[Ciardelo]

Well, I'd have to defer to the penguin, but I think true believers who deify Art are an imaginary construct against which the poor fools who imagine themselves wiser than the rest of us can prop up their egos.

+1. They are feeling superior to an imaginary foe. MV is the only deity around here.

Praise MV!

[HumanBeing]

So you find a youtube clip and attempt to sling back lame gay insults. Typically juvenile. And predictable.

Trying to keep it at a level you would be able to grasp and simple enough to read with that cock shoved down your throat. =)

[DarKPenguiN]

What's how many wives he has had got to do with this? 

Its not the number of wives its more about  abandoning his first wife and child in another country one time (if I remember right without looking) to marry someone else.

he quit his family and abandoned them with nothing.

Its goes a long way in understanding why some of us have reached the sociopath conclusion. Its one more piece of the puzzle that shows the pattern some of us see.

[HumanBeing]

The best bar none....that for me is what makes this whatever it is beyond sad.

It is going to be ok though (hugs)

[Inglorious Bitch]

What's how many wives he has had got to do with this? 

Someone asked, so I responded, you twat. I'm sure Art will be very impressed  not give a damn now that you are his white knight.

[Ciardelo]

Fuck. RIP Lemmy.

(seriously, fuck)

fuck!

[Chronaut]

Well, I'd have to defer to the penguin, but I think true believers who deify Art are an imaginary construct against which the poor fools who imagine themselves wiser than the rest of us can prop up their egos.

Thank you - that clears things up perfectly.  For days I've been wondering who these people are who "deify Art"," because all I've seen is the "Art is a liar/sociopath/etc" camp posting endless vitriolic walls of text about it, and the "I think he's a wonderful talk show host and I hope he'll get back on the air" camp.

[ge30542]

(Art, you better not come in here just yet)

[Inglorious Bitch]

Its not the number of wives its more about  abandoning his first wife and child in another country one time (if I remember right without looking) to marry someone else.

he quit his family and abandoned them with nothing.

Its goes a long way in understanding why some of us have reached the sociopath conclusion. Its one more piece of the puzzle that shows the pattern some of us see.

I'm glad that you get it. Now it seems that no one can even state a fact about Art without having a True Believer foam at the mouth if he feels that it puts Art in a bad light.

[Chronaut]

+1. They are feeling superior to an imaginary foe. MV is the only deity around here.

Praise MV!

Careful Ciardelo - talk like that will get you labeled a "white knight" around here (and apparently that's a bad thing) ;