Is Noory solely to blame for C2CAM's suckage?

[NefariousBanana]

By that I mean, is it just George Noory that sucks, or is it also new management by Premiere Networks?

[Eddie Coyle]

It's a perfect storm of suckage via Noory and Premiere. The fish rots from the head down...so those who employ Noory are the ones I blame most. I view Noory like a mentally-challenged child, it's not his fault when he screws up, all the blame should be on the guardians for letting it happen.

   

[JustOneFix]

Eddie summed it perfectly IMO.

I do think when they hired Snoory, they knew exactly what they were doing. Modern day C2C is to radio as Jerry Springer is to TV. You listen for the trainwreck and bullshit, not for facts. This is another aspect of the dumbing down of society.

When Art was running the show you listened because it was top shelf radio.

[rikmono]

Ye its mostly George I think. You don't get any info out of the shows these days coz George skips past everything and goes stright to the next question on the list written in front of him. Its sometime almost like he's not listening to the guest, they'll drop some earth shattering statement and George goes "West of the Rockies, its your turn on Coast to Coast", he never reacts to whats being said.

[onan]

imho it begins at the stinkstorm of noory.

but if my dog takes a dump on your driveway and I do not clean it up... who is to blame?

the management of c2c is either asleep at the wheel or they are too afraid to rock the boat for any number of reasons.

added it is a dying show, no matter what numbers they talk about, the show is unable to sustain its own viability. I look at the topics to be discussed and always... ALWAYS... see tba's. the show is scrambling to find bookings. even the shortbrows that continue to listen have to be thinking of alternatives.

I make no bones about my lack of radio business knowledge but I would think anyone with time, motivation, and a modicum of talent could outdo noory on his best day.

So is it all on noory not really but yeah mostly... he stinks so the room stinks.

[ourobouros2k2]

Clear Channel / Premium knew exactly what they were getting with noory, and happy for it as they knew he would be a lot more flexible than Art regarding their influence to creativity. They knew he would hawk anything they wanted and that he would be all too willing to move to LA so they could keep him on a short leash. If this was the vision of coast that they wanted, I can't blame Art for moving on.

[haloedorchid]

Clear Channel / Premium knew exactly what they were getting with noory, and happy for it as they knew he would be a lot more flexible than Art regarding their influence to creativity. They knew he would hawk anything they wanted and that he would be all too willing to move to LA so they could keep him on a short leash. If this was the vision of coast that they wanted, I can't blame Art for moving on.

Precisely this. They don't want anyone with a mind of their own. If the top-level people themselves were of quality, we never would've had Noory in the first place.

[b_dubb]

Is Noory solely to blame for C2CAM's suckage? no.  george did not hire himself

[C110]

Also, George doesn't write and sign his own paycheck.  I blame management for C2C's demise.

[tmock00]

Eddie summed it perfectly IMO.

I do think when they hired Snoory, they knew exactly what they were doing. Modern day C2C is to radio as Jerry Springer is to TV. You listen for the trainwreck and bullshit, not for facts. This is another aspect of the dumbing down of society.

When Art was running the show you listened because it was top shelf radio.

So much THIS!

[mrkorb]

Art was a maverick and a loose cannon.  He talked about things that nobody wanted to publicly say outloud to their own friends and family, and he did it without screening calls.  Art never knew anything about who he was about to have on the air beyond what line they were calling in on, but George entrenches himself behind call screeners who weed out any sort of random element from the show.  Art also had such a wonderful wide range of topics, from ghosts (seriously, when do we get Ghost-to-Ghost anymore except on Halloween?), to monsters, to aliens, to ancient civilizations, to strange science stuff.  For George, everything has some kind of End Times slant to it, and it's often within the Christian perspective of End Times, rather than just general end of the world. 

I recall that Art never let anybody quote from the Bible on the air, but George will let these people give whole sermons and citations as though they were certain fact.  George almost seems to be anti-science.  Back when he took over, you never would hear Michio Kaku or the EVP people on the air with George.  They were Art's guests, and I got the feeling that they liked Art better.  I'm also no longer surprised that Phil Platt, who I first heard about on Coast, no longer comes on the air to debunk some of this garbage that George spouts, because it's just so mind-numbingly dumb.

I don't know about the rest of you, but here C2CAM is on the same station as Rush, Dr. Laura (or did she finally retire?), Dave Ramsey, Mike Huckabee, Focus on the Family, and some other right-wing derp spreader who I think they recently canned, so the station itself carries a pretty heavily right-wing/Jesus is the way message in almost all of it's shows.  A few years back it seemed like there were about 2 or 3 weeks straight of shows where it was all religiously themed shows.  Angels, Bible Code, guests in general who attributed whatever subject they were talking about exclusively to God or Jesus or Satan.  None of that classic C2CAM fare where you'd get topics that go off in completely different directions from the night before.  It feels like George is just another religious and ideological mouthpiece, only less mainstream, on this already rather biased radio station lineup.

[b_dubb]

Art was a maverick and a loose cannon.  He talked about things that nobody wanted to publicly say outloud to their own friends and family, and he did it without screening calls.  Art never knew anything about who he was about to have on the air beyond what line they were calling in on, but George entrenches himself behind call screeners who weed out any sort of random element from the show.  Art also had such a wonderful wide range of topics, from ghosts (seriously, when do we get Ghost-to-Ghost anymore except on Halloween?), to monsters, to aliens, to ancient civilizations, to strange science stuff.  For George, everything has some kind of End Times slant to it, and it's often within the Christian perspective of End Times, rather than just general end of the world.

when did Christianity become a death cult?  oh ... it's always been a death cult?  interesting.  seems like it would be a tough job recruiting for an organization like that. 


in closing i'd like to add .... GEORGE NOORY SUCKS


thank you,


b

[Marc.Knight]

Look at the negative impact that other hosts had on ratings and quality in the past, and Art had to step back in...  The host makes or breaks the show.

Remember a Ghost to Ghost a fews years ago when, out of the blue, Noory decided to play the UFO Phil song in the middle of a show about ghosts.  Now that's suckage.

[IU Jacob]

I don't listen to Coast to Coast live much anymore, as opposed to years ago when I would all the time. For some reason I remember George being alot better a few years back, though this could be just because I hadn't found the Art Bell archives yet, I'm not sure. 


I don't want to spend time posting "Noory sucks" and ripping into him because there seems to be enough of that here. Honestly, (it may be not wise to be saying only a couple posts in here,) but it does get a little boring to read after awhile.


That being said, my gripes with the new Coast is it seems that the sound of mystery behind the show is gone. I'm not sure exactly what it is as I can't put my finger on it, but the spark is definitely missing. Could be something as simple as Art's voice (which has a great mysterious sound to it as say, Robert Stack) or Art's presentation, or the way you knew it was broadcasted from out in the desert. I'm not sure, but whatever it may have been, it's missing now.

[aldousburbank]

Could be something as simple as Art's voice (which has a great mysterious sound to it as say, Robert Stack) or Art's presentation, or the way you knew it was broadcasted from out in the desert. I'm not sure, but whatever it may have been, it's missing now.

It's just that George really sucks.  Simple.

[Marc.Knight]

It's just that George really sucks.  Simple.

If George Noory didn't suck he would still suck.  It is the Metaphysics of Suck.  His Being is the Essence of Suck.  Therefore, empirically, even if he did not manifest Suck at all moments in time, he would still suck because he is Suck.

[aldousburbank]

If George Noory didn't suck he would still suck.  It is the Metaphysics of Suck.  His Being is the Essence of Suck.  Therefore, empirically, even if he did not manifest Suck at all moments in time, he would still suck because he is Suck.

This is very perceptive stuff, your description of Noorological cosmic, dark-matter suckage.  I'm sure there's a mathematical formula that accurately predicts this phenomena.  If only one of us was dumb enough to figure it out.

[onan]

This is very perceptive stuff, your description of Noorological cosmic, dark-matter suckage.  I'm sure there's a mathematical formula that accurately predicts this phenomena.  If only one of us was dumb enough to figure it out.

Its not really a complicated mathmatical formula. It is more like 2 different atoms coming together to make water. In much the same way George and Noory make dumb.

[Roger]

My only reason for signing up to this site was for the purpose of
providing suggestions to improve the damn thing.

Someone said George Knapp would be a much better Saturday night host.

I couldn't agree more.

That would be exciting and I'd expect listenership would really amp up
if that were the case.

However, Knapp is a professional tv newsman, and I'm guessing his schedule
couldn't fit that in.

Yet I wait to see when he'll host a show.

Ian Punnett is a highly intellectual fellow, with a tendancy to put his
own views into an interview at the cost of really getting at the depth
of the guest.

Far too many complicated sentences, tortuously parentheticial or 'side
comments' and most irksome, at any break, rather than remind what station
one was listening to, that one was listening to him.

It is pretty mysterious to me that this host hasn't been called on the
carpet for this, since the 'money' isn't based on 'this is Ian punnett',
but that this is 'Coast to Coast Am'.

For every time Art Bell told anybody who was talking, Punnett says his own
name a hundred times.  Yet Bell made sure everyone knew: they were listening
to 'Coast to Coast'.

If I owned the station, I'd make a rule: you can't say your own name more
than three times during the entire night.

After all, the break announcer tells everyone who the host is.  Why should
the host eat up prescious air-time saying his own name?

Again, it is irksome in the extreme to have a guest in mid-sentence being
interrupted so that the host can interject something he's afraid he'll
forget . . . at the cost of the train of thought of the guest.

How many times this host has done this I cannot count, and GN does this
too.

And the interesting comment about to be ennuciated by the average guest
is lost.

Some guests have the presence of mind, probably taking notes of what they
are trying to say at any moment, or because they are wise to this
form of distraction by 'intereviewers', can keep track and pick up where
they were cut off.

Bell wasn't perfect, and many times I turned him off because of his
tendency to interrupt a guest mid-sentence.

Yet, a lively discussion will be where both guest and interviewee are
stimulated. 'Dead air', where a host is looking over notes, and trying to
select another good question, makes for the stuff of amateur shows or
comedy . . . even public television learned this problem long ago.

Concision, the horrible press of space between 'ad time', probably is
part of the problem we realize today in our kids with 'attention deficit
disorder': it is a learned habit fashioned by watching tv or listening to
the radio.

What am I saying?  It all pretty much is low quality. We're trying to get
a good drink from a dry stone.

It'll take a miracle.

[aldousburbank]

Its not really a complicated mathmatical formula. It is more like 2 different atoms coming together to make water. In much the same way George and Noory make dumb.

C2C-AB+GN=ZZZ

[Roger]

I get that many people don't like GN, IP, and the way they operate.

My immediate next question is: after the success of an Art Bell and this
concept in radio, hasn't this type of venue taken off with different
hosts on other networks?

Radio has a disease: depending on some small-time and 'proven' host
broaching topics like that.

Well, there is George Knapp, who could very easily have been the primary
host after Art Bell, and if the money was good, could have done a much
better job making for interesting listening.

I'm just curious, now, whether Bell really had much to do with the
selection of a GN to replace him.

If it was out of the Premier board members, what is the basis of their
selection process?  How could a guy with a stutter and horrible listening
abilities become the host of a Saturday show?

Frank Edwards and Long John Neville (sp?), Radio versions of the Twighlight Zone
preceded Bell as a variant on this tapping of the spectrum or 'niche' of radio
listener-ship or interest.

We got a little towards that ideal, but Art Bell was not by any stretch
of the imagination the non sine qua of what this could be.

A radio show like this COULD BE, would be akin to that movie with Spenser
Tracy and Katherine Hepburn, where the callers had questions and the show
revolved around answers based on research . . . like what libraries used to
do, and still do to a limted degree.

Why is there a halter in this type of radio, but right-wing 'wonks' proliferate
and bore us to death?

Even Bell started out that way.  He asserted once he was a 'conservative'
but moved to a centrist position.

Nothing wrong with 'conservativism' compared to the extremities being
proferred under that aegis.

Again, I'm just wondering about the way the money has flowed in radio.

If this is such a rich, most popular of all time radio franchise, why is
it so meekly reproduced?  Where's the competition?

Monopoly is a sin.

[Leibniz]

I'm naive so forgive me, but I don't understand why a company, especially broadcast companies, have a winning product, that people enjoy, is growing, and making money, and then the "suits" decide to screw with it and ultimately kill it?

I mean, why do they do that? Think of all the great TV shows over the years that go to crap when the producers ruin it.

I just don't know why you would kill your own cash cow.

[aldousburbank]

Maybe it was the reptilians?

[Roger]

Leibniz:

Yeah!  Thought about that myself.  All I can speculate, the first thing
that I could come up with seems to relate to the problem of aging
stars.

A perfect recent example will be the reworking of "The Office" now with
Will Ferrel (sp?).

The concept originated in England, and I'm interested in seeing the
proginitor concept.  I presume a BBC production.

Yet then I think of the 'Dr. Who' series and its extraordinary 'rebirths'
and no one agrees on the 'best "Dr."' or product.

I suspect that Art Bell is a realist, and having the means, exited
as gracefully as he could before his standard of quality became mocked
more than it started to be.

Doing quality work five days a week, no doubt: gonna be a matter of some
substantial energy.

I don't know.  The arcs of personal energy and the pressure or demands of
producers or the people who write the checks, somewhere there is going to
be some give and some crashes.

Public demands are the top-rank force, or the product fails.

And the decision-makers, I'm certain, feel that pressure, but also must
recognise the demands can be crushing and there is bound to be some
'push back'.

That is where, I believe, the greater mistake is finally made.

The public can be over-demanding, I'm sure.  Yet we have the right to
be cocky.  We are the ultimate payers and writers of the checks.

It is when the accounts get rather gorged, and the producers get
'cocky'.  That spells doom.

Cockiness and formula.  Losing the cutting edge.

"News Radio" died only because the real star of the show was shot in the
forehead one morning.

Producers, too, can be deranged.