President Donald J. Trump

[Yorkshire pud]

What he's mostly done are things that that benefit this country, and has positions that both parties used to support.  That people now claim those positions are Conservative is telling - as far as what the Democrat Party has turned into - although I understand the confusion since they actually are positions that only conservatives support now.

You and I have very different definitions of loyalty, when it comes to leaders.  Neither Trump, nor anyone else thinks those who report to him all like him.  Same with any leader, inside government or outside it.  What they need and demand and people who support their policies, whether they agree with all of them or not.  There can only be one captain.

Just because you think Trump demands personal loyalty above all else doesn't make it true - you'll say anything to discredit Trump.

Only it is true. He wanted Comey to declare his loyalty to him. His own wife and daughter say that is what he values above anything else. And anything I say couldn't discredit Trump more than he discredits himself..  :

If people are loyal on a personal level because they respect the person but remember the line isn't crossed where it comes to national interest, fair enough..A comparison could be a general who has earned the respect of their troops and would follow him to the end of the Earth but wouldn't do anything that goes against their country. Trump isn't a general. Have you ever known him to accept responsibility for anything  that makes him look negative? True leadership is accepting your failures, be held accountable for them, accepting the repercussions and learning from them. Trump does none of that.


A very recent example is the debacle of the Pacific fleet's various accidents at sea.. The senior officers have been fired and some will stand trial for manslaughter..Can you imagine (assuming that the navy took leave of their senses and made Trump a ship's captain) if that was Trump? He'd blame everyone but himself.

[Yorkshire pud]

No, you said the problem with Trump that we aren't getting is he doesn't have an ideology, and that he demands loyalty:

I also said that was a trait.. He does demand loyalty..because as far as he's concerned, its all about him. Why do you think he changes his mind every five minutes?

[PB the Deplorable]

... In politics it’s all about getting re-elected. The professionals purposely don’t want to get anything done. Just want to give the appearance they are...

To be fair, they each set about busily building little empires for themselves.  It's how this bureaucratic monster got built in the first place

[PB the Deplorable]

Most? His popularity fluctuates between about 35-40%  :...

His personal popularity, not the popularity of his agenda and various accomplishments.  Some of that is from those who think he isn't getting his agenda done fast enough, or doing it forcefully enough; some of it is they don't like his style, or him personally, etc

How could he possibly have a high popularity score with all the lies being flung his way every time he says or does anything? 

... Grab that bait!!! Ideology is your new talking point...

Actually, it was yours.  I was just deconstructing it

[PB the Deplorable]

So you wouldn't complain about Trump if he was a Democratic POTUS? 

Frankly, if a Democrat came in and did exactly what Trump has done I'd be saying the exact same thing.  Although I'd be adding how shocked I was about it.

I would be estatic if a D were in office doing what Trump is doing, because it would be evidence the country was back on track with both parties supporting the best interests of the country, instead of one of them desperately trying to undermine it - which is what we have now.

[Dr. MD MD]

Actually, it was yours.  I was just deconstructing it

[Dr. MD MD]

Sowing division is all the modern Democrat knows. That's why so many of us left the party.

[Yorkshire pud]

His personal popularity, not the popularity of his agenda and various accomplishments.  Some of that is from those who think he isn't getting his agenda done fast enough, or doing it forcefully enough; some of it is they don't like his style, or him personally, etc

How could he possibly have a high popularity score with all the lies being flung his way every time he says or does anything? 

ROFL..Because Trump, Hannity and Alex Jones always present the unvarnished truth? Hilarious.

[Dr. MD MD]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cT1UJUoFaKs

[Dr. MD MD]

ROFL..Because Trump, Hannity and Alex Jones always present the unvarnished truth? Hilarious.

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[Dr. MD MD]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pB2xz3Yod5k

[Dr. MD MD]

[Gd5150]

WOTR has been a member for a long long time and he has always been independent-minded.  I value his opinion even if I may not agree with it all of the time.

I've been around a lot longer than the shirtless wonder and I've consistently voted Republican ever since I started voting and everyone here knows I have huge problems with Establishment Republicans. I don't see why some on my side of the debate have intolerance for political opinions coming from the other side.

My warmest most sincere apologies for your offense.



Lmfao! Sorry, couldn’t resist. Honestly I don’t care what leftwingers here have to say, I already know what they’re going to say before they say it. They’re idiots and I’ve been dealing with their cliche close minded bullshit for 40 years. They cannot think for themselves. They do not provide persuasive arguments. They don’t have anything to offer.

And I get intolerant because we all have to pay for their stupidity via higher taxes, more regulations, higher healthcare costs, crappy healthcare, no healthcare, lower pay, a crappy job market, a recession that lasted 7 years longer than it should have, thanks to some inexperienced idiot who was elected because he was brown. They infringe on our rights every day and their worthless turd MSMedia covers for it.

When a leftwinger has the open mindedness to present proactive ideas and solutions, that don’t consist of their psychotic detachment of blame and hate of Trump/Republicans, I’ll be more than happy to have an open minded discussion with them. Unfortunately they’re sheep, lemmings, especially the ones here. And the same old cliche “I’m an independent libertarian” from dumbass big government leftwingers gets old so I’m going to shine the light on it.

They can start by naming off some things they like about Trump, and our country, to show they have an open mind, and if they can’t, they can take their pedofile defending loser asses and gtfo. Or they can enter the terrordome of Bellgab politics and be prepared to be bent over. I’m glad they’re so simple minded and predictable, it makes dealing with them here much easier and more enjoyable.

Salut 21st!

[Dr. MD MD]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQB6YiocS1E

[Dr. MD MD]

If the Republicans had tried to run one of their establishment candidates, like McCain, Hillary would be president right now. End of story.

[3OctaveFart]

You must be kdding.   If Hilliary was elected there would be no investigation and the corruption would have never been revealed.   That was the assumption of all who participated in the whitewash of Hilliary’s many crimes, the development of a bullshit dossier to use as probable cause for spying on Trump and the lies and manipulations that led to the appointment of a special prosecutor who himself was involved in the perversion of justice to benefit of Clinton and Obama.

Your ignorance of the facts is stunning as is your preposturas rationalization for abdicating your responsibility as a citizen.  The American Nero that you so detest is doing what he was elected  to do and the average American is better off than he was a year ago by every measure.  Trump will be elected for a second term and all who participated in the conspiracy to exonerate Hilliary and prevent Trump from being elected and later to unseat him will be held accountable.  No doubt when that happens you will still be the nihilistic cynical cop-out that you are and still be lurking on the edges.

Like your fellow Trumpanzees, you don't appear to know or understand how freaked-out the founders were over foreign influences in our government, or its instrumentalities.

There was a reason they agonized over three anti-corruption clauses in the Constitution.

(You're old enough to remember when all the howler monkeys made Jimmy Carter give up his peanut farm.)

All the other garbage you wrote sounds better in the original Russian.

[Dr. MD MD]

Like your fellow Trumpanzees, you don't appear to know or understand how freaked-out the founders were over foreign influences in our government, or its instrumentalities.

There was a reason they agonized over three anti-corruption clauses in the Constitution.

(You're old enough to remember when all the howler monkeys made Jimmy Carter give up his peanut farm.)

All the other garbage you wrote sounds better in the original Russian.

but you're OK with Hillary doing business with them under the table.  :

[GravitySucks]

Like your fellow Trumpanzees, you don't appear to know or understand how freaked-out the founders were over foreign influences in our government, or its instrumentalities.

There was a reason they agonized over three anti-corruption clauses in the Constitution.

(You're old enough to remember when all the howler monkeys made Jimmy Carter give up his peanut farm.)

All the other garbage you wrote sounds better in the original Russian.

They were much more worried about states rights, limited federal government, individual responsibility and the only revenue for the federal government being based on tariffs.

p.s. Carter didn’t give up his farm. He placed it and his warehouse business in a blind trust. After he left office he went back down and found his brother had taken most of the money and it was over $1million in debt.

[3OctaveFart]

You also grossly misunderstand the sort of contempt the framers had for 'rabble.'

You know, the kind of termites who attend Trump rallies, stay unemployed while waiting for their obsolete jobs to return, or dissolutes who post on Bellgab 19 hours a day.

[Gd5150]

Like your fellow Trumpanzees

Awe yes it’s captain “I’m an independent libertarian registered non-partisan”. Try again dumbass. If you’re going to take it in the ass from diaper wearing Hillary and her pedofile supporters at least be honest about it. Oh that’s right, leftwing lemmings have no fucking clue what honestly is. You’re advised to stay lost idiot or you’ll just embarrass yourself further.

Hey 21st, hows that for discourse and tolerance?

[GravitySucks]

You also grossly misunderstand the sort of contempt the framers had for 'rabble.'

You know, the kind of termites who attend Trump rallies, stay unemployed while waiting for their obsolete jobs to return, or dissolutes who post on Bellgab 19 hours a day.

I believe there is more rabble chasing the progressive dream than attending Trump rallies. Just compare the litter from a right wing rally with a left wing rally. Pound for pound the liberals win every time.

[3OctaveFart]

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[3OctaveFart]

I believe there is more rabble chasing the progressive dream than attending Trump rallies. Just compare the litter from a right wing rally with a left wing rally. Pound for pound the liberals win every time.

There are a lot of Instagram chasers at those demonstrations, I'll grant that, but there is also the possibility that some of these people are in an economic pain.

I was at a dinner party last night with some of the SJW set. They don't even like it if you're ambivalent to their cause.

[GravitySucks]

There are a lot of Instagram chasers at those demonstrations, I'll grant that, but there is also the possibility that some of these people are in an economic pain.

I was at a dinner party last night with some of the SJW set. They don't even like it if you're ambivalent to their cause.

Because they are staying unemployed until the next Correct The Record engagement or because if they got a job they might have to make a payment on the student loan(s) they took out for their liberal arts degree?

[3OctaveFart]

I've always believed people with actual lives don't go to these things. I wouldn't, anyway.

Who has time to march, or time to go see Cheeto Jesus stumble through a speech at a ruby-red Rotary Club. Who has the time?

You are going to need to reconcile that millennials will constitute the largest voting bloc in American history, in the next electoral cycle. The trend is they tend to wait, but these people are starting to build families now and don't want to be whisked back to a 1950s way of life because your fat, old, feeble, frightened president wills it so.

[Gd5150]

I was at a dinner party last night with some of the SJW set. They don't even like it if you're ambivalent to their cause.

I wonder if the “registered non-partisan” pointed it the fact that their behavior is fascist. I’m going to go out on a limb and take a wild guess at the answer, No he did not. Because he’s a leftwing dumbass just like they are. A whole dinner party of “registered non-partisan Bill Maher libertarians”. Who like everything and everyone whos anti libertarian and too ignorant to know it. Well done lemming!

Hi 30fat. We both know you could never ignore me. Lmfao!

[paladin1991]

No save that for Duneboy, he’s the attorney remember? The one client attorney who spends his life on Bellgab.

I bet his 'client' is his 'Mummy' who put him through law school while he lived in her basement.  She make s oatmeal every morning, a grilled cheese sandwich and a cup of tomato soup for lunch, his favorite meatloaf for dinner, etc.   All this to look after her financial empire of SS checks and a passbook savings account, that one day, will all be his.

[paladin1991]

No, my narrative is that you're a socially isolated individual who doesn't  understand people, and therefore any opinion you have about them is invalid.

I don't allow many into the bunker, but you always have a standing invite.  Wait.  You weren't talking to me, were you?   

[GravitySucks]

I've always believed people with actual lives don't go to these things. I wouldn't, anyway.

Who has time to march, or time to go see Cheeto Jesus stumble through a speech at a ruby-red Rotary Club. Who has the time?

You are going to need to reconcile that millennials will constitute the largest voting bloc in American history, in the next electoral cycle. The trend is they tend to wait, but these people are starting to build families now and don't want to be whisked back to a 1950s way of life because your fat, old, feeble, frightened president wills it so.

I have a daughter who is a millennial. I have confidence in her and her friends. I let her start college chasing a dream which would have had her be in a career with limited income potential. Last year she decided to apply to their business school so she could minor in business and go on to get her MBA. Now I think she wishes I would have steered her away from that dream, but that very thing had happened to me when I was 17 and I harbored that resentment for a long time.

I have a son that is Gen X. And a daughter that is a millennial. They both made their own decision and voted for Trump.

We need to change the voting age to be equal to the last year you can remain on your parent’s insurance.

[Gd5150]

Thanks for the Disneyland post! Love that place! Next time use a better photo.