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Quote from: UFO Fill on March 20, 2013, 10:50:00 AMThere are some in the US who think the UK should be invited to join the North American Free Trade Agreement with the US, Mexico and Canada. They argue that the UK has more in common with the NAFTA members than it does with the Euros.I heard some statistics that far more people are killed in the US with bare hands and feet than with firearms. I wish I could find that statistic. That would be interesting to know for sure.
Quote from: slipstream on May 10, 2013, 10:13:34 AMStats released this week show that gun sales rising, but gun crimes falling.hmmm
Quote from: Yorkshire pud on May 10, 2013, 10:26:25 AMWas that before or after the reputed 100 000 downloads for the new plastic printed gun?
Quote from: Pragmier on February 19, 2013, 03:05:12 PMHere's my proposal. If you have this look in your eyes you shouldn't be allowed anywhere near a gun.
Quote from: astroguy on January 13, 2013, 09:57:24 AMI'll start this out by saying I don't own a gun and I don't intend to own a gun. That doesn't mean I don't think anyone should own a gun. But I do not understand - and I would like to understand - why people feel the need to be able to have all types of guns with no constraints.
Quote from: The General on May 10, 2013, 10:39:26 AMWhen you can see whites both above and below the iris, run.
Quote from: General Johnson Jameson on May 14, 2013, 12:18:52 PM I could list some other reasons/instances where I feel an AK-47 at my side is standard issue, but I won't bore you. You should see my point by now.
Quote from: FightTheFuture on May 14, 2013, 12:54:03 PMGeneral, there`s no bigger fan of the Kalashnikov than yours truly, but as a practical manner, I would recommend The Judge, from Taurus. It chambers both a .45 cal. magnum round, and a .410 shotgun shell.
Quote from: Sardondi on May 14, 2013, 12:47:54 PMWhich means exactly what? Seriously, you're going to have to have to spell it out as to why you think this is some kind of zing. Because I don't recall reading that the demographic which has the technical, financial and intellectual wherewithal to download and thereafter fabricate a digital firearm has a statistically visible presence in firearm crime statistics.
Quote from: Yorkshire pud on May 14, 2013, 02:24:37 PMI wasn't aware there had to be a demographic that specifically had an ability to fabricate plastic firearms either. I have no formal training to use such a machine that can make them, but the principle of what they do isn't that far removed from what I have had training in. Sure the gear is a few thousand dollars to buy, but they can be leased and the return good on prototype modelling. Last week a UK journo boarded the Eurostar express train from Waterloo London, to mainland Europe..He went through several security checks, he'd manufactured one of the firearms, disassembled it to it's component parts (I think there are about 13 or so), squirreled away the firing pin, and the scanners and detectors he needed to pass through didn't find it. Probably fortunate for him really, because if it had been found he'd have been arrested and had some pretty serious explaining to do as the police showed him the business end of Mr Heckler and Koch. I just wonder if (and I hope it's never a 'when') one of these plastic firearms is used on an airliner hijack, with catastrophic consequences, there might be a groundswell of 'Hey, maybe it wasn't such a good idea after all' by the public against the designer?It's worth pointing out the owner of the company who designed it has described himself as an anarchist. Oh, and he's of course thrown in the 'liberty' thing too to give himself credibility.
Quote from: Sardondi on May 14, 2013, 02:41:12 PMAaaaaand so now there will be a mass of new terrible events as digital guns, their hour come round at last, slouch toward baggage check-in waiting to be pulled? If you think so, the answer is obviously to be armed. This very scenario, with fearstorm following, was played out many times when Glocks came on the scene in the 80's.
Quote from: Yorkshire pud on May 14, 2013, 03:20:40 PMWell, as long as you're right, there won't be a problem will there? But it will be interesting if there is an incident involving one of these liberty lovin weapons that's brought onto the airliner hidden between two or three people, and undetected. No reason why the rounds need not be hard plastic either, might even cause more damage but not penetrate the aircraft skin depending on the compound.
Quote from: Sardondi on May 14, 2013, 08:23:22 PMSomebody's trying waaaay too hard. These sound familiar, very much like Senator Chuck Schumer's talking points, which have whipped around to the usual left-side blog suspects like Daily Kos, DU, HuffPo, Talking Points Memo and the like. But this guy says that "(i)f plastic guns are what scares you about 3D printing then you donâ€™t understand 3D printing." http://www.shellypalmer.com/2013/05/3d-printing-is-way-scarier-than-plastic-guns/ And the author is a techie/futurist sort, certainly not a gun guy.
Quote from: onan on May 15, 2013, 03:53:42 AMBut I have to point out that only looking at the numbers and not considering the unintended consequences of only one negative is concerning.
Quote from: Yorkshire pud on May 15, 2013, 05:17:58 AMIt's neither hysterical or uninformed. And I agree, the current controversy will be superceded by another updated and refined set of documents. I'm questioning the motives and wider consequences that the mentioned individual and his company's products might be involved in..If it was simply 3d printing, why make a firearm that is difficult to detect?
Quote from: stevesh on May 15, 2013, 05:51:06 AMWe can disagree, I guess. The current flap about printable guns seems to me to be a lot of hand-waving and political opportunism. As sardondi pointed out, we heard much the same misinformation when Glock introduced their polymer-framed handguns.Not exactly a new idea, anyway. In the 1993 movie In The Line Of Fire, John Malkovich tried to shoot the President at a dinner with a plastic derringer. He smuggled the (metal) ammunition into the event inside a rabbit's foot on his keychain. (Not sure if that would work these days.)
QuoteThe mentioned individual isn't simply about 3D printing. His project is about 3D printing a workable firearm, and the point isn't to make it difficult to detect, but rather to make it possible for anyone to manufacture his/her own guns. As has been pointed out ad nauseum here and other places, any reasonably handy person with a modicum of equipment can do so now in his garage. I'm going to stick with 'hysteria'.
Quote from: Yorkshire pud on May 15, 2013, 07:02:09 AMSure they can, if they have the skills. But why make it easily accessible? Anarchist makes CAD files available online to make a working firearm that could be smuggled onto a plane, into a government building, school etc, and there is concern... and it's seen as hysteria by some. (Although I've never knowingly been in hysterics about anything, even at the birth of my son, when he and his mother nearly died)Two brothers make homemade bombs that kill and injure dozens of innocent people in Boston...and it justifiably causes outrage, anger and pain.Which of the above protagonists has the welfare of humanity at heart?
Quote from: onan on May 15, 2013, 03:53:42 AMI agree with you here Sardondi. The benefits of 3d printing significantly outnumber the negatives. But I have to point out that only looking at the numbers and not considering the unintended consequences of only one negative is concerning.I am a pretty big gun ownership guy. But I do have a strong belief that the constitution is short sighted on who merits ownership. At the same time Pud's question about the motives of distributing firearm schematics over the internet is a good place to have a discussion.
Quote from: FightTheFuture on May 15, 2013, 07:42:28 AMCan it manufacture pizzas?
Quote from: FightTheFuture on May 14, 2013, 12:54:03 PM Additionally, I have never known one to jam, which is/can be, a frustrating problem with weapons like the Kalashnikov. [size=78%] [/size]
Quote from: stevesh on May 15, 2013, 04:40:28 AMI've often thought that if some respected futurist or another had gone before Congress in the late 80's and testified that in ten years or less every 12-year-old in the country could have a box in his/her bedroom capable of delivering free, hard-core pornography 24/7, the Internet itself would have been smothered in its crib.The hysteria by the ignorant and uninformed over printable guns will pass, and the wonder of 3D printing will endure.