Started by Dr. MD MD, October 24, 2022, 12:03:07 PM
Quote from: Dr. MD MD on November 13, 2022, 03:46:49 PMSo, if you're a woman murdering your own baby is alright no matter what the reason, no questions asked?
Quote from: Yorkshire pud on November 13, 2022, 03:50:26 PMBut if the 'red wave' had swamped the beech you'd have praised the outcome and the system, right? Drump lost the Reps three elections on the bounce. Naturally his cult 'think' it was rigged (drump said the 2016 was until he won!). Because he cannot accept he's a natural loser, only in his head is he anything else. No-one has a casino go bust, he lost two!
Quote from: malachi.martini on November 13, 2022, 03:57:03 PMNo, I don't give a fuck about election results.Also, does a day go by where you don't constantly ruminate on Trump? He's like the Douglas Dietrich to your Gunner65.
Quote from: Yorkshire pud on November 13, 2022, 03:57:30 PMNo-one asks you why you killed all that sperm in a tissue everytime you wank. And it isn't murder. But carry on the christo fascist mantra if it makes you feel like a man. You cannot even begin to imagine what a woman feels about termination, but sure go ahead and be the one persecuting her more than she feels already. What a pathetic scumbag you are. Happy to be a bully? Tell you what, why don't you volunteer to sit on a 'panel' and interrogate a woman wanting an abortion, or better still have to prove to a self righteous twat like you she miscarried. I'm sure you'll feel so much better.
Quote from: Yorkshire pud on November 13, 2022, 03:59:35 PMI don't
Quote from: Dr. MD MD on November 13, 2022, 04:00:54 PMSorry, could you explain why it's not murder? Because instead of doing that after stating it's not murder you just went on to issue personal insults to me, as usual. When one person decides to terminate another persons life and then does it that's pretty much the definition of premeditated murder, is it not?
Quote from: Yorkshire pud on November 13, 2022, 05:57:33 PMNot if it's inutero and the mother makes or gives an informed consent to terminate, no. There are very rare exceptions when a severely mentally disabled woman does not give consent, when it is left to an advocate, and a court. I know you can't grasp that, and you're really trying to avoid admitting the whole debate with anti abortion is to control women's reproductive health and rights, but those is the facts barbie. But the other facts remain, some of the anti abortionists would deny abortions under any circumstances, including a child carrying to term. One even said it would be a fulfilling experience for her. Leaving out the bit about it probably killing her or leaving her unable to have children when a woman. 'Banning' abortion won't stop it. It will just kill more women and girls.
Quote from: Yorkshire pud on November 12, 2022, 10:11:18 PMSomeone should sit you down and explain how counting works...
Quote from: SredniVashtar on November 14, 2022, 05:19:59 AMThe baby is not viable on its own. The mother is terminating a pregnancy, that's all. The foetus is living at the expense of the mother (I realise this is a sensitive subject for you, being stuck in that basement for so long). Anyway, you hypocrites are perfectly happy with state-sanctioned murder, you just call it capital punishment.
Quote from: Dr. MD MD on November 14, 2022, 07:33:04 AMEven after birth sometimes people's lives become unlivable without medical assistance. Doctors take an oath to try to help those people and, at one time, actually believed it. Your take is a medical dumpster filled with bodies who don't meet your criteria. The next step after the acceptancd of the mass murder of babies is assisted suicide for any old reason and that's now starting to happen too. Anything to keep the state sponsored murder going, right Pol Pot? 🙄
Quote from: Yorkshire pud on November 14, 2022, 12:51:40 PMThen you are okay with a raped child being forced to carry to term her sibling? And you're okay with any raped woman being made to carry the rapist's offspring? And no problem with a woman being made to prove she did in fact miscarry? Assisted suicide is legal in several countries, and? Those who do it are dying from terminal and often agonising untreatable illness. You really should research stuff before getting all sanctimonious. When you come down on the answer to mass killings in schools being yet more guns, and advocating free health care at the point of need and free child care so the women you'd force to have kids they can't afford, could go out and work then you might restore some 'pro life' points, until then, stop.
Quote from: Dr. MD MD on November 14, 2022, 05:13:45 PMPlease, enough of your strawman questions already. Stop trying to vilify me and pay attention for a change. 🙄
QuoteRecently there was a case in Canada where a depressed man in his early twenties applied for and was granted an assisted suicide. Where does your slippery slope stop?
Quote from: Yorkshire pud on November 14, 2022, 06:20:55 PMOh, did it hit a very raw nerve barbie? The very real (perhaps unintended) consequences of a total abortion ban outlined and made you feel uncomfortable? Too bad. That's reality. I suppose if he'd been in the US (Especially Texas) he could have bought a firearm and blown his head off and not be in the news at all. What's your issue? The suicide or he was assisted? Or don't you believe a person has a right to take their own life even after many have previously tried to talk him or her out of it? Prosecute them for selfishness? It did used to be a criminal offence to attempt suicide, bring that back and make them see the light? Yeah? The rest of your post is just more attempt at stawmaning.🙄🙄
Quote from: albrecht on November 14, 2022, 05:25:23 PMI can, sort of, understand- not necessarily approve but understand the logic- so it is fun to see the hand-wringing and cognitive dissonance over the abortion issue. Sure, I 'get' Sanger's ideals, and others, and why the clinics are almost always in poor, so-called 'minority' areas, and the whole eugenics deal. Or that Malthusian argument about 'too many people!' Or even why people would want to cover-up rape, incest, abuses, etc. Not good, but a logical system if you think like a criminal or abuser. But when the majority of abortions are used based on those ideals it is confronted by BLM or 'progressive' ideas. It is interesting both ways where some, at least accused of being racists, sexists, etc etc should be, since demographic dying and always a real world-wide minority, should be supporting abortion and infanticide, if looking out for self-interest (this based in the leftist views of racial politics and zero-sum games.)
Quote from: Dr. MD MD on November 14, 2022, 06:33:06 PMAs usual, you're just having a conversation with yourself. I feel sorry for your wife, you bounder. 🙄🙄
Quote from: Yorkshire pud on November 14, 2022, 06:34:28 PMYour hypotheses might have merit if abortion was restricted to only 'leftist' societies. But reality says otherwise. The stumbling block the 'pro-life' lobby has is they're only concerned with a baby up to and including the birth. After that they're not interested in supporting either the welfare of the child or mother and certainly wouldn't dream of lobbying for financial help. Instead at the moment of birth the child is now a burden, the mother is a burden and they should both rot in hell (Because that's Christo fascist doctrine). It's funny, Elon Musk comes into Twatter, within 48 hours sacks thousands of staff and they're expected to find another job to support their families. Undoubtedly some of those families have expectant mothers and perhaps one or two very recently pregnant women who aren't sure they can now afford to raise a child. Has anyone demanded Elon Musk take an ethical stance and financially support those women? No? Why not? Instead then the burden is on them. Damned if they have an abortion and damned if the child is born and they're unemployed.
Quote from: Yorkshire pud on November 14, 2022, 06:36:27 PMDoesn't stop you replying though barbie. I know I sort of assist in you painting yourself into a corner, but you're easy to do it with. My bad.
Quote from: albrecht on November 14, 2022, 06:35:33 PMI do seem to recall something, years ago. Maybe Singapore? Where a police sharpshooter offed the guy who was going to suicide jump but was not going for it. And wasn't like popular in the US even a 'suicide by cop' situation. I don't think prosecuting, or shooting, someone like that anecdote, is a good idea since, often, they are likely not in their right mind. But those who promote, assist, bullying, and encourage, in most cases, should be prosecuted. Again like most things there are some nuances and practicalities. Was the 'assist' of spouse of an old man with dementia and 4 stage cancer who slipped a few extra meds or was it some doctor with a death fetish or some pervert on facebook who tricked some girl and threatening her, etc. Though, I guess, all, it could be considered simply a post-birth abortion and survival of the fittest per Sanger, Galton, etc.
QuoteTony Nicklinson had a stroke in 2005. He was paralysed and could only move his head and his eyes. For many years, he had wanted to end his life, but could not do so without help.He asked the High Court to state that it would be lawful for a doctor to help him end his life. If they refused, he wanted them to state that the current law was incompatible with his human rights. The court refused to do both of these things. Shortly afterwards, Tony Nicklinson refused food and water and died of pneumonia. His wife Jane continued his case in the Court of Appeal and Paul Lamb was added to the case. Since a car crash in 1991, Lamb had been unable to move anything except his right hand. He also wanted help to end his life.The Court of Appeal rejected the appeal and the case went up to the Supreme Court.The main argument was that the ban on assisted dying is incompatible with the right to private life. This right is protected under Article 8 of the European Convention on Human Rights. The majority of the Supreme Court said that they could decide the ban was incompatible unless Parliament acts to reform it. This was a clear warning to Parliament that if they do not address assisted dying, the courts may.
Quote from: Dr. MD MD on November 14, 2022, 06:36:43 PMKill, kill, kill!!!Die, die, die!!! 😡
Quote from: Yorkshire pud on November 14, 2022, 07:09:53 PMMy my barbie...
Quote from: albrecht on November 14, 2022, 06:44:22 PMWith prenatal technology that is actually fairly cheap (and 'free' in the so called socialist countries) you can see sex/gender and that girls are more aborted than males. So feminists should be against the procedure. I guess they could ban certain healthcare but it is often very hard to not determine sex even when the couple, or just woman, doesn't want to know and wants to be surprised. An image, nurse, doctor, paperwork, etc usually mentioned (though sex/gender is not a real thing, of course. Simply a social construct!) I'm not sure why the rant against Elon Musk. Granted, he is a very strange guy. But that is allowed. If did illegalities in taxes, subsidies, hiring practices, then he should be investigated. But yhy should he have pay anybody, unless he wishes to do so or there was a contract saying they couldn't be fired? I'm doubting many, but who knows, many incest rape victims are working at his companies have been let go. So they made a decision, a bad one, to work, maybe, to work at a certain company and get pregnant. Family Planning, doesn't JUST mean kill the baby but also saving, investing, insuring, and actual planning. So is choosing where to work. Become a plumber or dentist, like they say. But some want to gamble on questionable tech or acting and get the big parlay.
QuoteFamily Planning, doesn't JUST mean kill the baby but also saving, investing, insuring, and actual planning.
Quote from: Dr. MD MD on November 14, 2022, 07:22:44 PMI was imitating you, in your bloodlust to kill people (babies included).
Quote from: Yorkshire pud on November 14, 2022, 07:30:10 PMYou should see me when I carve a Tri Tip.
Quote from: Yorkshire pud on November 14, 2022, 07:26:52 PMfascists want to outlaw contraception
Quote from: Dr. MD MD on November 14, 2022, 07:33:04 AMEven after birth sometimes people's lives become unlivable without medical assistance.