Nord Stream Pipeline 'events'

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albrecht

Quote from: K_Dubb on October 03, 2022, 11:04:40 AMhttps://twitter.com/The_Lookout_N/status/1576922726270656512
VWs? I get why they wouldn't want Saabs (maintenance and parts are a pain,) plus they are Swedish.) But going German? For historical reasons alone I would've thought they could've gone Ally. Well, I guess USA because I think the UK mfgs are owned by VW now. So, basically, the Krauts won at least on the vehicle front.

I don't know:
https://www.algora.com/Algora_blog/2022/09/29/reagan-approved-plan-to-sabotage-soviets-the-us-blowed-up-a-russian-gas-pipeline-in-siberia-in-the-summer-of-1982

Wheels within wheels and lots of internal politics on all sides besides the international ones. Then there are financial interests also so maybe not even a 'state actor,' though the depth and precision would seem to need some tech and training. OPEC is cutting off supplies again also.



albrecht

Quote from: Silphion on October 01, 2022, 02:12:43 AMWe know this today because, years later, the people involved finally started bragging.
I missed this post and hence posted about it. There are so many possible scenarios, which is how the spooks like it.
There was an article in the Economist a couple weeks ago about how some in the EU are getting nervous/jealous about Norway making so much money due to the war and gas problems. They in NATO but,not EU so getting to have their cake and eat it too.

Now there is news that NYC is approaching Norwegian Cruise Lines to purchase, or lease, some vessels to house illegals! Norway seems to be winning on many fronts. I also laugh that people complain about a few illegals who are getting free vacations, including flight, to Martha's Vineyard or visiting the Big Apple- maybe take in some shows- with free hotel rooms! And now, maybe, give them a free cruise! This is abuse? We don't do that for our own people! And most people have to pay for cruises, flights, and hotel rooms.

K_Dubb

Quote from: albrecht on October 03, 2022, 06:10:37 PMVWs? I get why they wouldn't want Saabs (maintenance and parts are a pain,) plus they are Swedish.) But going German? For historical reasons alone I would've thought they could've gone Ally. Well, I guess USA because I think the UK mfgs are owned by VW now. So, basically, the Krauts won at least on the vehicle front.

I don't know:
https://www.algora.com/Algora_blog/2022/09/29/reagan-approved-plan-to-sabotage-soviets-the-us-blowed-up-a-russian-gas-pipeline-in-siberia-in-the-summer-of-1982

Wheels within wheels and lots of internal politics on all sides besides the international ones. Then there are financial interests also so maybe not even a 'state actor,' though the depth and precision would seem to need some tech and training. OPEC is cutting off supplies again also.




Wasn't Trump trying to wean Germany off Russian natural gas, for exactly this reason?  Seems to me back when US energy independence was an issue those funny ships with the big domes that look like egg crates were in the news and I had to look them up to see what they were.  US has always had issues with that pipeline until it became convenient for one party to use Russian state propaganda in our domestic politics.  Tucky is a big hit on Russian tV, I hear; I wonder if Pootie suns his ballsack ;D  Reminds me of RCH's wife who was into that light-therapy business before she croaked poor thing.

Silphion

Quote from: albrecht on October 03, 2022, 06:10:37 PMVWs? I get why they wouldn't want Saabs (maintenance and parts are a pain,) plus they are Swedish.) But going German? For historical reasons alone I would've thought they could've gone Ally. Well, I guess USA because I think the UK mfgs are owned by VW now. So, basically, the Krauts won at least on the vehicle front.

I don't know:
https://www.algora.com/Algora_blog/2022/09/29/reagan-approved-plan-to-sabotage-soviets-the-us-blowed-up-a-russian-gas-pipeline-in-siberia-in-the-summer-of-1982

Wheels within wheels and lots of internal politics on all sides besides the international ones. Then there are financial interests also so maybe not even a 'state actor,' though the depth and precision would seem to need some tech and training. OPEC is cutting off supplies again also.




State actor? Antony Blinken has been front and center from the opening act.


albrecht

Quote from: Silphion on October 03, 2022, 11:23:47 PMState actor? Antony Blinken has been front and center from the opening act.



And a proud Dalton School graduate, where Jeffery Epstein was a teacher hired by headmaster Barr,former OSS, who is the dad of William Barr.

albrecht

Quote from: K_Dubb on October 03, 2022, 10:11:07 PMWasn't Trump trying to wean Germany off Russian natural gas, for exactly this reason?  Seems to me back when US energy independence was an issue those funny ships with the big domes that look like egg crates were in the news and I had to look them up to see what they were.  US has always had issues with that pipeline until it became convenient for one party to use Russian state propaganda in our domestic politics.  Tucky is a big hit on Russian tV, I hear; I wonder if Pootie suns his ballsack ;D  Reminds me of RCH's wife who was into that light-therapy business before she croaked poor thing.


We should be selling more gas. And more drilling. Biden is thwarting it by tying up with regulations, permits, and so on. Along with our neighbor in the Great White North we have plenty of gas and oil to exploit. Why buy from corrupt Arabs or from volatile countries?

RCH's wife still visits, in a way, and leaves him messages by moving items around. Of course, he also recently claimed that mice were moving objects into 'geometric patterns' in accordance with the 19.5 model.

Jackstar

Quote from: albrecht on October 04, 2022, 09:24:47 AMWe should be selling more gas. And more drilling.

Alternative energy sources. Definitely more drilling.

K_Dubb

Quote from: albrecht on October 04, 2022, 09:24:47 AMWe should be selling more gas. And more drilling. Biden is thwarting it by tying up with regulations, permits, and so on. Along with our neighbor in the Great White North we have plenty of gas and oil to exploit. Why buy from corrupt Arabs or from volatile countries?

RCH's wife still visits, in a way, and leaves him messages by moving items around. Of course, he also recently claimed that mice were moving objects into 'geometric patterns' in accordance with the 19.5 model.

Oh poor Hoagie, is he living in a mouse-infested hovel just watching them move crumbs around?  He needs a live-in producer to abuse, and to sweep.

No, no more drilling for corporate profit, does not help gas price since prices are fixed internationally bu the cartel, they just profiteer off the regular folks.  That should be crystal clear to everyone now.

Needs to be managed for the people like Alaska's permanent fund or Norway's.  I had high hopes that a right-wing populist president would take on big corporations like TR and work something like that out, that is the only real excuse for that kind of thing, busting monopolies like tech/entertainment and natural-resource and whatever Amazon is now, but he showed no appetite for either, just gave away the farm like typical golf-club Republican.


albrecht

Quote from: K_Dubb on October 04, 2022, 01:05:59 PMOh poor Hoagie, is he living in a mouse-infested hovel just watching them move crumbs around?  He needs a live-in producer to abuse, and to sweep.

No, no more drilling for corporate profit, does not help gas price since prices are fixed internationally bu the cartel, they just profiteer off the regular folks.  That should be crystal clear to everyone now.

Needs to be managed for the people like Alaska's permanent fund or Norway's.  I had high hopes that a right-wing populist president would take on big corporations like TR and work something like that out, that is the only real excuse for that kind of thing, busting monopolies like tech/entertainment and natural-resource and whatever Amazon is now, but he showed no appetite for either, just gave away the farm like typical golf-club Republican.


Gas fuels up on those electric cars promoted by Democrats (which work great in a flood, wildfire, earthquake, or long trips.) We got gas and should drill, baby, drill. And if Europe wants to buy our LNG even better. Arab oil is sweeter than most of ours but, and I don't have the metrics now, but at some point besides the fluctuating prices, the costs of shipping, having wars, etc might make domestic (N.American) supply cheaper in the long run. And also bring jobs and have secure supply, not delayed or disrupted by whatever Mullah, OPEC, global 'events,' etc.

The financial speculation is a problem with the industry, though I'm not sure how, or if, that could be curtailed. The actual producers would rather a more stable price but speculators and relying on international supply screws that up. One reason why the 7 Sisters, mostly, actually are supporting Democrat/Globalist ideas about carbon credits etc. (Knowing the price and situation allows easier future planning, unlike dotcoms the industry thinks longterm and planning.) There is an argument also, that 'wild west' scenarios is also worse environmentally. Along some historical bad accidents it might be worse when you have many, independent producers versus a Standard Oil. Sometimes a monopoly is a natural one and brings cheaper, or stable, pricing- though I'm arguing this as a Devil's Advocate and speculating myself!

Also, many groups that Democrats support (unions, teachers, pension plans etc) have investments in energy companies, so undercutting them is taking money and dividends out of their pockets, besides the other investors and workers- and the associated businesses downstream.

ps: the RCH segment about the mice making structures even made his cohorts and guest silent and quickly moved on because soulnded even more bizarre than the usual claims. It was some kind of 'sign' and he later mentioned that he 'wished he could put an Accutron inside some kind of pyramid model that a guest sent him.' But I guess his Accutron was broken (or pawned.) But the mice might have been 'telling him' to do this by the 'geometric structures' they were making.


K_Dubb

Quote from: albrecht on October 04, 2022, 02:33:05 PMGas fuels up on those electric cars promoted by Democrats (which work great in a flood, wildfire, earthquake, or long trips.) We got gas and should drill, baby, drill. And if Europe wants to buy our LNG even better. Arab oil is sweeter than most of ours but, and I don't have the metrics now, but at some point besides the fluctuating prices, the costs of shipping, having wars, etc might make domestic (N.American) supply cheaper in the long run. And also bring jobs and have secure supply, not delayed or disrupted by whatever Mullah, OPEC, global 'events,' etc.

The financial speculation is a problem with the industry, though I'm not sure how, or if, that could be curtailed. The actual producers would rather a more stable price but speculators and relying on international supply screws that up. One reason why the 7 Sisters, mostly, actually are supporting Democrat/Globalist ideas about carbon credits etc. (Knowing the price and situation allows easier future planning, unlike dotcoms the industry thinks longterm and planning.) There is an argument also, that 'wild west' scenarios is also worse environmentally. Along some historical bad accidents it might be worse when you have many, independent producers versus a Standard Oil. Sometimes a monopoly is a natural one and brings cheaper, or stable, pricing- though I'm arguing this as a Devil's Advocate and speculating myself!

Also, many groups that Democrats support (unions, teachers, pension plans etc) have investments in energy companies, so undercutting them is taking money and dividends out of their pockets, besides the other investors and workers- and the associated businesses downstream.

ps: the RCH segment about the mice making structures even made his cohorts and guest silent and quickly moved on because soulnded even more bizarre than the usual claims. It was some kind of 'sign' and he later mentioned that he 'wished he could put an Accutron inside some kind of pyramid model that a guest sent him.' But I guess his Accutron was broken (or pawned.) But the mice might have been 'telling him' to do this by the 'geometric structures' they were making.

The only way domestic oil prices will be cheaper in the current global market is if they are also cheaper overseas.  If prices are higher overseas due to wars, etc., we will ship it over to profit rather than sell it for less here, it's the capitalist duty.  Oil rights should be managed for the people, as though we all have a stake in them.  For the same reason that Norway is rich but Scotland is poor despite having the same oil.  Capitalist resource extraction elevating everyone through jobs and trickle-down pension funds etc. is a myth.

Were Hoagie's mice inside the house?  Or is he up late at night peering at desert voles or some nocturnal creatures, maybe Robin will appear as a white moth and puff on his cigarette  :(  sad and lonely


albrecht

Quote from: K_Dubb on October 04, 2022, 02:50:36 PMThe only way domestic oil prices will be cheaper in the current global market is if they are also cheaper overseas.  If prices are higher overseas due to wars, etc., we will ship it over to profit rather than sell it for less here, it's the capitalist duty.  Oil rights should be managed for the people, as though we all have a stake in them.  For the same reason that Norway is rich but Scotland is poor despite having the same oil.  Capitalist resource extraction elevating everyone through jobs and trickle-down pension funds etc. is a myth.

Were Hoagie's mice inside the house?  Or is he up late at night peering at desert voles or some nocturnal creatures, maybe Robin will appear as a white moth and puff on his cigarette  :(  sad and lonely
It is important to remember that Norway has less people than several of just our cities have. And a, relative, aside from some sections of Oslo, a relatively homogeneous population, so socialism works there. Though a recent phenomena due to the amount of hydrocarbons. Cut them off and back to the old days of farms with low yield and fishing. And whaling, which like hydrocarbons, are a no-go these days in progressive circles.

Having said that, we could have tariffs and the costs saved by less shipping, less wars, etc could make our domestic prices cheaper or, at least, more stable. Though financial speculation would still be an issue because it is a global market and there are 'other' interests involved (selling arms for the wars, propping up the dollar, etc.)

RCH's mice were inside the house! As I recall, they might have been "attracted" to the pyramid model in some fashion. It was quite a bizarre aside. Streiber is also visited by his late wife more directly but RCH's deceased paramour only visits by moving things or "helping him find things." I note that Art pulled out a mouse trick a few times on his show- which was even more odd since Art had all those cats....


albrecht

Quote from: K_Dubb on October 04, 2022, 03:00:30 PMSo obvious it's almost like they wanted people to know !!! 😧
It is quite possible they did. This is frequently used in criminal circles. In Mexico, across from Xiden's open border, they will frequently leave a head or dismembered body parts or some hanging bodies from a bridge and have a banner (there is a Mexican name for this but I forget) on which is written whatever message "this is my plaza" or "what happens to snitches" or some such threat. And in a more esoteric area there is the idea that they telegraph their intent even prior to action is some weird logic that the victims 'got what's coming and so no blood on my hands' 'see I told you so.' etc.

K_Dubb

Also natural gas exports to Europe, and overall, are somehow up under Biden even though he is a radical-left environmentalist and commie tying up hydrocarbons in red tape and native land acknowledgments and reparations to black folks and beset by globalists  :P  They will probably go higher as a result of this, note the capacity line.



Analysis: U.S. LNG exports to Europe on track to surpass Biden promise

K_Dubb

Quote from: albrecht on October 04, 2022, 03:12:27 PMIt is quite possible they did. This is frequently used in criminal circles. In Mexico, across from Xiden's open border, they will frequently leave a head or dismembered body parts or some hanging bodies from a bridge and have a banner (there is a Mexican name for this but I forget) on which is written whatever message "this is my plaza" or "what happens to snitches" or some such threat. And in a more esoteric area there is the idea that they telegraph their intent even prior to action is some weird logic that the victims 'got what's coming and so no blood on my hands' 'see I told you so.' etc.

Yeah I am being sarcastic, some other OSINT goobers have a flight of helicopters from Denmark to blame, OMG they were RIGHT THERE never mind considering they were monitoring suspicious activity or anything, funny to imagine a clandestine operation would leave tracks all over for randos to connect the dots and pretend they know a thing

There was a tragic plane crash recently off Whidbey Island debris 100-200 feet deep, recovered by what the Navy called a "drone" a remotely-operated submersible off a 50-foot research boat from the UW, quiet, maybe planted months ago, no need to make a fuss.

albrecht

Quote from: K_Dubb on October 04, 2022, 03:12:48 PMAlso natural gas exports to Europe, and overall, are somehow up under Biden even though he is a radical-left environmentalist and commie tying up hydrocarbons in red tape and native land acknowledgments and reparations to black folks and beset by globalists  :P  They will probably go higher as a result of this, note the capacity line.



Analysis: U.S. LNG exports to Europe on track to surpass Biden promise

Xiden is certainly not a commie. Some of his handlers might be and who knows if he knows where he even is much of the time. Sad. I doubt he could "draw a clock." But consider he represented Delaware for decades! Where +/- 70% of US-based listed corporations domicile and most credit card companies etc. And many foreign ones also due to their, relatively, unique legal structure and laws.

pate

Quote from: K_Dubb on October 04, 2022, 02:50:36 PM...Oil rights should be managed for the people, as though we all have a stake in them.  For the same reason that Norway is rich but Scotland is poor despite having the same oil...

A portion of the PDFRp lands sits upon a petro-chem reservoir that we retain ancestral mineral rights to.  It provides a small/modest income (variable, based on market prices at time of contract extensions & length of contract) that I would be loathe to turn over to Gov't Administration, for reasons.

I should say that the people may manage the mineral rights on Public Lands, but the Private Ownership of such should not be infringed upon in this plan of yours, Dubya!

I will not settle for a mere 25% cut of something I already have a 100% cut of, that is socialist nonsense!

-p

albrecht

Quote from: K_Dubb on October 04, 2022, 03:19:12 PMYeah I am being sarcastic, some other OSINT goobers have a flight of helicopters from Denmark to blame, OMG they were RIGHT THERE never mind considering they were monitoring suspicious activity or anything, funny to imagine a clandestine operation would leave tracks all over for randos to connect the dots and pretend they know a thing

There was a tragic plane crash recently off Whidbey Island debris 100-200 feet deep, recovered by what the Navy called a "drone" a remotely-operated submersible off a 50-foot research boat from the UW, quiet, maybe planted months ago, no need to make a fuss.
https://www.king5.com/article/news/local/passengers-recovered-floatplane-wreckage-whidbey-island/281-772a99de-3a65-478f-95f5-5016ec3f036f

Anybody in this tragic accident connected to anyone, business, or government agency?

albrecht

Quote from: pate on October 04, 2022, 03:48:33 PMA portion of the PDFRp lands sits upon a petro-chem reservoir that we retain ancestral mineral rights to.  It provides a small/modest income (variable, based on market prices at time of contract extensions & length of contract) that I would be loathe to turn over to Gov't Administration, for reasons.

I should say that the people may manage the mineral rights on Public Lands, but the Private Ownership of such should not be infringed upon in this plan of yours, Dubya!

I will not settle for a mere 25% cut of something I already have a 100% cut of, that is socialist nonsense!

-p

5-G could be an opportunity- not just a vaccine-based, frequency killer mechanism as some claim! Gas leases and pipelines are good passive income but a cell tower also can be so. They will maintain your roads, at least, and less traffic than the former stuff. In addition to the income. And now with 5-G ramp ups maybe more so? Though the Starlinks etc might be taken those options off the table.

K_Dubb

Quote from: pate on October 04, 2022, 03:48:33 PMA portion of the PDFRp lands sits upon a petro-chem reservoir that we retain ancestral mineral rights to.  It provides a small/modest income (variable, based on market prices at time of contract extensions & length of contract) that I would be loathe to turn over to Gov't Administration, for reasons.

I should say that the people may manage the mineral rights on Public Lands, but the Private Ownership of such should not be infringed upon in this plan of yours, Dubya!

I will not settle for a mere 25% cut of something I already have a 100% cut of, that is socialist nonsense!

-p

No, indeed; private mineral rights must be respected.  Those held by corporations, though, which currently extend to the ownership of giant underground formations like the Permian Basin underlying dozens of counties in West Texas, will be wrest from them by the same Eminent Domain they use to force private landowners to sell pipeline land for a pittance 🥳

Dr. MD MD

Quote from: pate on October 04, 2022, 03:48:33 PMI will not settle for a mere 25% cut of something I already have a 100% cut of, that is socialist nonsense!

-p


K_Dubb

Quote from: albrecht on October 04, 2022, 03:57:45 PMhttps://www.king5.com/article/news/local/passengers-recovered-floatplane-wreckage-whidbey-island/281-772a99de-3a65-478f-95f5-5016ec3f036f

Anybody in this tragic accident connected to anyone, business, or government agency?

Yes, sort of, a relative of the owner of Whidbey Telecom which holds a monopoly on the island, a young Seattle attorney, nothing of national import though.  Mysterious, best non-catastrophic-mechanical-failure theory I have heard is wind shear as mom says it was very gusty that day, local weatherman pinpointed a highly local event there at the time.

albrecht

Quote from: K_Dubb on October 04, 2022, 04:01:18 PMNo, indeed; private mineral rights must be respected.  Those held by corporations, though, which currently extend to the ownership of giant underground formations like the Permian Basin underlying dozens of counties in West Texas, will be wrest from them by the same Eminent Domain they use to force private landowners to sell pipeline land for a pittance 🥳
Kelo and etc is bullshit. And the various laws that allow this is crap. I do think that parsing out different rights, by contracts from informed parties, should be allowed. But not landgrabs, sweet-heart deals, regulations, etc. The owner should have right of capture for all minerals, wells, gas, water, animals, or whatever. There should be some caveats, maybe, like with hunting, externalities, etc but this could be handled in civil courts for damages. Oddly, we see this in that Fish&Game wardens have more 'authority' than most police agencies in the country. Somewhat strange. Like a throwback to when the King (or Queen) owned all the animals. I support the environment (if there is no game or fish, then no more hunting or fishing!) But it is sort of weird that they can go on your land without warrant, search stuff, and so on.

albrecht

Quote from: K_Dubb on October 04, 2022, 04:05:32 PMYes, sort of, a relative of the owner of Whidbey Telecom which holds a monopoly on the island, a young Seattle attorney, nothing of national import though.  Mysterious, best non-catastrophic-mechanical-failure theory I have heard is wind shear as mom says it was very gusty that day, local weatherman pinpointed a highly local event there at the time.
Suspect! I kid, a bit, but most, real conspiracies,corruption, and crime is on a local level- or even personal level. Or, at least, those who are caught. But accidents also happen, sadly.

Fruitdriller

Quote from: pate on October 04, 2022, 03:48:33 PMA portion of the PDFRp lands sits upon a petro-chem reservoir that we retain ancestral mineral rights to. 

You had me at Ancestral Recall.

K_Dubb

Quote from: albrecht on October 04, 2022, 04:09:54 PMKelo and etc is bullshit. And the various laws that allow this is crap. I do think that parsing out different rights, by contracts from informed parties, should be allowed. But not landgrabs, sweet-heart deals, regulations, etc. The owner should have right of capture for all minerals, wells, gas, water, animals, or whatever. There should be some caveats, maybe, like with hunting, externalities, etc but this could be handled in civil courts for damages. Oddly, we see this in that Fish&Game wardens have more 'authority' than most police agencies in the country. Somewhat strange. Like a throwback to when the King (or Queen) owned all the animals. I support the environment (if there is no game or fish, then no more hunting or fishing!) But it is sort of weird that they can go on your land without warrant, search stuff, and so on.

☝️Yeah that is what i mean, we have belatedly gotten used to the idea that wildlife fish stocks etc. are a commonly held resource that unfettered greed will just tank given the slightest opportunity, but when it comes to oil & gas it's still 19th-c. colonial-style extraction for maximum profit, public interest be damned, small private holdings that stand in their way get bulldozed.  I don't think recognizing common ownership is socialist in the least, the only reason it is controversial is nobody trusts the government to manage it better, but it doesn't have to be that way, see Alaska.

Especially the tribes up there under ANCSA who own vast resource rights, suddenly that inviolate sacred earth mother talk goes away when you stand to profit directly by cutting down the tree people yourself or harvest the salmon people or drill the oil spirits, but also have to manage so your kids have some, too.

albrecht

Alaska is nuts though. I never been. But know many who have. Besides everyone there (non native) seems to be either fleeing something, or starting over, stake your fortune, etc the stuff you mention. I know a guy whose whole career was working on a gas deal for the evil Big Oil. Seriously. Whole career from law school to retirement. The local State politics change and "we need to go through this stuff again" "need to readdress these issues" "first Nations have some concerns" "need another environmental study" and so on. And then the Feds get into the act also. Amazing. It was like "Bleak House" situation. Hilarious. After some decades he just accepted it, a reverse fait accompli, and handed off to the next bright-eyed and bushy tailed go-getter with a shrug and said "good luck, you'll get a lot of flight miles." Haha. 

K_Dubb

Quote from: albrecht on October 04, 2022, 06:19:38 PMAlaska is nuts though. I never been. But know many who have. Besides everyone there (non native) seems to be either fleeing something, or starting over, stake your fortune, etc the stuff you mention. I know a guy whose whole career was working on a gas deal for the evil Big Oil. Seriously. Whole career from law school to retirement. The local State politics change and "we need to go through this stuff again" "need to readdress these issues" "first Nations have some concerns" "need another environmental study" and so on. And then the Feds get into the act also. Amazing. It was like "Bleak House" situation. Hilarious. After some decades he just accepted it, a reverse fait accompli, and handed off to the next bright-eyed and bushy tailed go-getter with a shrug and said "good luck, you'll get a lot of flight miles." Haha. 

Yeah my big sis works for one of the native corps up there, lots of flying in small planes with sketchy pilots.  Last time visiting the village which is remote with her boss the pilot took visibly ill for the flight back, they were passing notes in the cabin planning for if he passed out, they would open door shove him out too big to haul out of the way and let my sis land since she has a pilot's license hahaha crazy place

Fortunately they made it and loaded him into an ambulance.

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