***BREAKING*** Explosion in NYC

[norland2424]

Have they released any more info on the 5 people arrested last night?

[Yorkshire pud]

No that is not my argument I was simply pointing out the facts. Do you deny that they share a faith and name? The lawsuit of the latest Muslim bomber was filed and is a public record. The hardcore Muslim Kahn who is now mayor of Londonistan is on the record making statements such as that "moderate Muslims are 'Uncle Toms'" (he later apologized for using that term) and has defended prisoners from terror groups and has family links to banned groups like al-Muhajiroun. Though, in a funny way, Kahn is criticized by some of his fellow Muslims for being too liberal on things like homosexuality (however there is a long tradition in some Muslim countries for that and in places like Afghanistan there is a tradition of keeping 'dancing boys' as sex slaves by Muslims.)

Sharing a faith and a religion doesn't make a terrorist; if it did, then anyone called McKay, or Kelly, was Irish and Catholic would have been tracked down and arrested as a member of PIRA. Or were all Catholics PIRA sympathisers? Just as not all Catholics support the indoctrination of the Vatican (and Eire's laws are very heavily steeped in Catholicism), the Mayor of London (who is seen as moderate/liberal by friend and foe alike), isn't anymore a terrorist or sympathiser as my friend called McKay (yes I do have a friend called McKay).

Oh, worth pointing out that New York hosted dinners that fundraised for the PIRA where speakers (American ones) denounced the 'occupying British army'... Oh the irony! Terrorist sympathisers raising funds for terrorists in Ireland. Shocking eh?

[bateman]

Sharpest knife in the drawer

https://twitter.com/abc/status/777922920341344256

[Rix Gins]

"First American Fried Chicken" - the Col. Sanders bank!

What!  No pork rinds?

[Richard Groyper]

Sharpest knife in the drawer

https://twitter.com/abc/status/777922920341344256

I think we should wait for ALL the facts to come out...

[Yorkshire pud]

Sharpest knife in the drawer

https://twitter.com/abc/status/777922920341344256

He should have read BG, the armchair experts had it sussed on the first page.

[albrecht]

Sharing a faith and a religion doesn't make a terrorist; if it did, then anyone called McKay, or Kelly, was Irish and Catholic would have been tracked down and arrested as a member of PIRA. Or were all Catholics PIRA sympathisers? Just as not all Catholics support the indoctrination of the Vatican (and Eire's laws are very heavily steeped in Catholicism), the Mayor of London (who is seen as moderate/liberal by friend and foe alike), isn't anymore a terrorist or sympathiser as my friend called McKay (yes I do have a friend called McKay).

Why did he call moderate Muslims, assuming that is actually a thing, "Uncle Toms?" Simply to "get the votes" of the radicals or he really feels that way? Why did he share a stage with radicals? As an attorney why did he travel outside the country to defend Islamists in foreign prisons? And his connections to al-Muhajiroun? A lot of this is like many, not all, of our Catholics in the past who wink-wink would 'give to charity' which was really funneling money to terrorists. Were they themselves terrorists or even 'radicals?' Maybe not, but they supported them, at least tacitly. Do I think Mayor Khan is going to throw a grenade instead of a baseball at that Mets game? No, but many Muslims, including maybe him, aren't upset when they see a bombing or knife attack in our countries (except in the rare cases that it might impact their business or life.)

[Yorkshire pud]

Why did he call moderate Muslims, assuming that is actually a thing, "Uncle Toms?" Simply to "get the votes" of the radicals or he really feels that way? Why did he share a stage with radicals? As an attorney why did he travel outside the country to defend Islamists in foreign prisons? And his connections to al-Muhajiroun? A lot of this is like many, not all, of our Catholics in the past who wink-wink would 'give to charity' which was really funneling money to terrorists. Were they themselves terrorists or even 'radicals?' Maybe not, but they supported them, at least tacitly. Do I think Mayor Khan is going to throw a grenade instead of a baseball at that Mets game? No, but many Muslims, including maybe him, aren't upset when they see a bombing or knife attack in our countries (except in the rare cases that it might impact their business or life.)

How do you know he isn't upset? I haven't met him and neither have you; I can guess you take your info from the Daily Mail, which I have to warn you is very loose when it comes to facts and stories.


The wink wink actually murdered people (yep, women and kids too) with actual bombs and actual firearms paid for with US dollars provided by US citizens. So yes they were terrorist in the definition used today. Incitement or facilitator to undertake terrorist acts. The sickening thing? The UK is a NATO ally, and this shit went on under the noses and with the tacit approval of US admins since whenever.

[Dr. MD MD]

He should have read BG, the armchair experts had it sussed on the first page.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PoaOwSPJPHw

[Yorkshire pud]

Oh fuck haven't you a job to go to? Oh no, wait you don't.. Because you're a pretend doctor aren't you Bubba?

[FightTheFuture]

Are you seriously going to answer that question, with this?? We're on The Internet, you know--people can see you.

You get one more.

Here you go, sweetheart. Get your sophomore physics book out and follow along.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=97584

A Review of Energies And How They Are Dissipated of WTC 1 & 2.

The purpose of this article is to provide an easily accessible resource in which to debunk the claim that World Trace Center buildings 1 and 2 would resist the collapse once started.

As of Fall, 2007, only one papers exists that claims that the collapses would be arrested once started. That paper is Gordon Ross’ entitled, “Momentum Transfer Analysis of the Collapse of the Upper Storeys of WTC 1”. In this paper Ross identifies sources of energy that push the collapse and energy sources which resist the collapse. He finds that there is more energy to resist the collapse than energy that would progress it. His conclusion is wrong because he doesn’t understand some rather simple and basic concepts of physics and engineering.

The following is the summary of energy sources both pushing the collapse and resisting the collapse produced by Ross (SIC):

Energy Summary:
The energy balance can be summarised as

Energy available;
Kinetic energy 2105MJ
Potential energy Additional downward movement 95MJ
Compression of impacting section 32MJ
Compression of impacted section 24MJ
Total Energy available 2256MJ

Energy required;
Momentum losses 1389MJ
Plastic strain energy in lower impacted storey 244MJ
Plastic strain energy in upper impacted storey 215MJ
Elastic strain energy in lower storeys 64MJ
Elastic strain energy in upper storeys 126MJ
Pulverisation of concrete on impacting floor 304MJ
Pulverisation of concrete on impacted floor 304MJ

Total Energy required 2646MJ
Minimum Energy Deficit -390MJ

This summary can be easily explained. In the energy available section, Ross adds up the sources pushing the collapse. There is 2105MJ of potential energy available for the collapse. This is calculated as 16 stories of the WTC falling 3.7m (one full story). The other minor additions are potential energy gains as the building compresses.

Ross identifies the energy that resists the collapse as energy required. This can be divided into three sections: Momentum Losses, Column Strain Energy, and Concrete Strain Energy. Momentum Losses is a calculation of kinetic energy losses; Column Strain Energy is the energy required to rupture the columns such that they do not provide any more support; Concrete Strain Energy is the energy required to pulverize 20% of the concrete slab into 60 micrometer particles.

In the end, Ross is very wrong. A more accurate summary, proven later in this paper, is as follows:


Kinetic Energy available:   2105MJ

Kinetic Energy gains:
Potential Energy of the Upper Block   + 64MJ
Potential Energy of the Lower Stories   + 41MJ

Kinetic Energy Losses (including strain rates):
Loss of Kinetic Energy due to Inelastic Collision   - 123MJ
Loss of Kinetic Energy due to Mass-With-Spring   - 414MJ

Elastic Strain Energy of the Lower Stories   - 213MJ
Inelastic Strain Energy of the Lower Story   - 171MJ
Elastic Strain Energy of the Upper Block   - 71MJ
Inelastic Strain Energy of the Upper Story   - 171MJ

Pulverized Concrete   - 0MJ

Total Energy Available + 2210 MJ
Total Kinetic Energy Losses   - 1163 MJ
Total Energy Balance   + 1047 MJ


The result as seen is a total kinetic energy gain after the first impact is 1047MJ. This means that the the collapse of the tower will not be slowed down or stopped and the collapse front will accelerate.

Momentum Losses:
To understand momentum and losses associated with it, a basic knowledge of collisions is required. There is always conservation of momentum in collisions. This can be stated by: Mass*Velocity before a collision is equal to the Mass*Velocity after the collision. This is commonly referred to as the Law of Conservation of Energy.

There are two general types of collisions: inelastic and elastic. This is best explained with the help of animations.


An elastic collision, animation created by Simon Steinmann.


An inelastic Collision, animation created by Simon Steinmann.

Objects involved in an elastic collision have the same amount of momentum before the collision afterwards. They also have the same amount of kinetic energy (1/2*Mass*Velocity) before and after the collision.

Inelastic collisions result in the two bodies becoming one and having one velocity. Because of conservation of momentum there is a loss of kinetic energy. This can be easily explained from the above animation.

Before the collision, the object on the left has:
KE = ½*m*v^2

After the collision, we know that the velocity is halved and the mass is doubled, thus:
KE = ½*(2m)*(1/2*v)^2
KE = ¼*m*v^2

Or a total loss of 50% of the total kinetic energy, this loss kinetic energy goes into the internal energy of the colliding objects. Specifically strain energy (the objects going squish and becoming one), heat energy and sound energy. This loss of kinetic energy is not a loss of total energy and it is a mistake that Ross makes that will be explored later.

Ross attempts to calculate the kinetic energy lost by the collision. He states,
A simple conservation of momentum calculation, ignoring these movements, would have, 16 falling storeys moving at 8.5 m/sec before impact, changing to 17 storeys moving at (8.5 * (16/17)) = 8 m/sec after impact. This does not reflect the fact that a minimum of 24 further storeys will be caused to move downwards at varying speeds.

To estimate and illustrate the further momentum changes we can assume that the storey which is 25 storeys from the impact remains static and the velocity of the 24 affected storeys will vary linearly from the velocity of the falling section to zero.

Momentum before impact = 16 storeys moving at 8.5 m/sec

Momentum after impact = 17 storeys moving at V2 m/sec + 1 storey moving at 23/24*V2 m/sec + 1 storey moving at 22/24*V2m/sec +……+ 1 storey moving at 2/24*V2 m/sec + 1 storey moving at 1/24*V2m/sec 16*8.5 = V2 (17 + 11.5)

V2 = 16 * 8.5 / 28.5 = 4.8 metres per second.

The first thing that Ross states is that there is an inelastic collision between the 16 upper stories and the story that they are impacting at the top of the upper block. 16 stories with a velocity of 8.5m/s will become 17 stories with a velocity of 8.0m/s. This is true. And results in a loss of 123MJ of kinetic energy.

Ross then states that 24 stories below this story will also deflect. This is also true. However, from the discussion above, we know that Ross makes a critical mistake: there is not an inelastic collision between the intact stories below the collapse front and the upper block. It is an elastic collision. We know this because there is no permanent deformation of the lower columns, they stay in the elastic stress-strain region, and that the masses did not impact and combine into one larger mass. An accurate way to address this problem is to assume these additional 24 stories are part of a spring with mass. For this analysis, see Appendix 1.

The results of the spring-with-mass analysis:
Loss of Kinetic Energy due to Inelastic Collision   - 123MJ
Loss of Kinetic Energy due to Mass-With-Spring   - 414MJ

In addition the additional energy gained due to potential energy is:
Potential Energy of the Upper Block   + 64MJ
Potential Energy of the Lower Stories   + 41MJ

It is important to note that the Loss of Kinetic Energy due to Mass-With-Spring is a gain in kinetic energy in the bottom portion of the structure. This energy is not immediately dissipated and it will accumulate on each successive impact of the upper block on the lower block. This energy manifests itself as vibrations in the lower structure, which will ultimately reduce the total strength of the lower columns. However this is outside the scope of this paper as it relates to the continuing progressive collapse and not just the first impact.


Column Strain Energy:
The strain energy in columns is rather simple to calculate, however Ross fails to understand the basic concept of inelastic buckling. A detailed analysis of the energy required to completely rupture the columns can be seen in Appendix 2.

Elastic Strain Energy of the Lower Stories   - 213MJ
Inelastic Strain Energy of the Lower Story   - 171MJ
Elastic Strain Energy of the Upper Block   - 71MJ
Inelastic Strain Energy of the Upper Story   - 171MJ

Concrete Strain Energy:
The “pulvierisation” of concrete is perhaps the biggest flaw in Ross’ paper. He lists a total of 608MJ lost from this event. In reality, the loss of kinetic energy due to pulverized concrete is ZERO MJ. Why is this? It’s already been accounted for. Recall that the loss of kinetic energy from an inelastic collision. This means that some of the kinetic energy is converted into heat, some into sound and the vast majority into strain energy. The strain energy category includes this pulverized concrete. In reality, core columns punching through the floor slabs, or concrete debris doing the same, would cause an additional amount of interal energy to be added into the concrete slabs. However the Ross model only allows the columns to land directly on top of each other, as this is most conservative to collapse prevention.

A question might still remain for some readers as to why so much of the concrete in the tower was turned into a fine particulate dust. The answer to that question lies not in the impact of one floor against another floor, but in the eventual impact of the entire structure into the ground. At that point, almost all of the available kinetic energy will be converted into internal energies. Again, some into heat, some into sound, but the vast majority into strain energy.

[albrecht]

How do you know he isn't upset? I haven't met him and neither have you; I can guess you take your info from the Daily Mail, which I have to warn you is very loose when it comes to facts and stories.


The wink wink actually murdered people (yep, women and kids too) with actual bombs and actual firearms paid for with US dollars provided by US citizens. So yes they were terrorist in the definition used today. Incitement or facilitator to undertake terrorist acts. The sickening thing? The UK is a NATO ally, and this shit went on under the noses and with the tacit approval of US admins since whenever.

I agree one of the other reasons to limit immigration to good types of people that share common cultural values. We had a lot of problems with the Catholic and other immigrants when those waves came though, by now, most are integrated rather well. Though as you mention there was still lots of funding of terrorism, or at least tacit support for it, even in modern times. We don't need more people, such as Muslims, coming into our countries bringing with them their backwards religion, sectarianism, family feuds, etc.

[Yorkshire pud]

Here you go, sweetheart. Get your sophomore physics book out and follow along.

He won't read that he just won't. And even if he did, he'd claim it was made up or dropped from a chem trail in braille and translated to clear text.

[Dr. MD MD]

Oh fuck haven't you a job to go to? Oh no, wait you don't.. Because you're a pretend doctor aren't you Bubba?

I have an internet connection in my office. A lot of people do these day.  :

Sorry your doctor wife left you because you're such a bitter loser but you really need to stop attacking anyone you think is a doctor. Maybe try getting out of your hole in the ground once in awhile too. I guess the only pleasure you have left in your life is to insult people on the internet, brave soul that you are. 

[Jackstar]

Get your sophomore physics book out and follow along.

Your cut and paste explanation is bullshit. You know it; I know it; the American people know it.

[Yorkshire pud]

I have an internet connection in my office. A lot of people do these day.  :

Sorry your doctor wife left you because you're such a bitter loser but you really need to stop attacking anyone you think is a doctor. Maybe try getting out of your hole in the ground once in awhile too. I guess the only pleasure you have left in your life is to insult people on the internet, brave soul that you are. 

You call yourself a doctor Bubba. I think it cute though you have an office; do you have a nameplate on your desk/dinner tray?

I insult you? Really? Damn.

[Jackstar]

He won't read that he just won't.

It's your posts that don't get read.

[Dr. MD MD]

You call yourself a doctor Bubba. I think it cute though you have an office; do you have a nameplate on your desk/dinner tray?

I insult you? Really? Damn.

It seems to be your modus operandi with just about everyone you don't agree with. I don't take it personally and realize that you're just and angry, bitter, lonely man who's own wife couldn't even stand to be around you. I'd actually feel kinda sorry for you if you weren't such a thoroughgoing asshole.

[FightTheFuture]

Your cut and paste explanation is bullshit. You know it; I know it; the American people know it.

While I minored in Physics, I leave the heavy lifting to the PhD guys (and gals). None of which have anything but aspersions to cast upon your childish group of paranoid dullards. Get some some fresh air, eh?

[Dr. MD MD]

While I minored in Physics, I leave the heavy lifting to the PhD guys (and gals). None of which have anything but aspersions to cast upon your childish group of paranoid dullards. Get some some fresh air, eh?

http://www.ae911truth.org/

[Yorkshire pud]

It seems to be your modus operandi with just about everyone you don't agree with. I don't take it personally and realize that you're just and angry, bitter, lonely man who's own wife couldn't even stand to be around you. I'd actually feel kinda sorry for you if you weren't such a thoroughgoing asshole.

You should have been here when Kunt Karl was around; he really got both barrels, I only play with you Bubba. 

[FightTheFuture]

http://www.ae911truth.org/

If you`re a doctor of anything, I`m fuckin` Bill Shakespeare.

[Yorkshire pud]

http://www.ae911truth.org/

And exactly what will you do with the 911 truth Bubba? Shout 'BOO'.

[Jackstar]

Perhaps he'll start with actually reading it, you absurd ponce.

[Jackstar]

While I minored in Physics, I leave the heavy lifting to the PhD guys (and gals). None of which have anything but aspersions to cast upon your childish group of paranoid dullards. Get some some fresh air, eh?

I literally have no idea what you're actually trying to say here except that you surrender.

[Dr. MD MD]

If you`re a doctor of anything, I`m fuckin` Bill Shakespeare.

Your writing's really gone downhill, Bill! It used to be genius but now it's just shit.  :

[whoozit]

Lol going to laugh when this turns out to be white folks

Are you laughing now?  Asking for a friend.

[albrecht]

Have they released any more info on the 5 people arrested last night?

It is strange but I haven't heard any update on that part of the situation? Maybe it was just a rumor or mistake? Maybe we have them in a cold, dark room and are politely asking them questions? It is weird that such an arrest wouldn't be making bigger news.

[norland2424]

Are you laughing now?  Asking for a friend.

Nope since its actually confirmed and not mere speculation.

[norland2424]

It is strange but I haven't heard any update on that part of the situation? Maybe it was just a rumor or mistake? Maybe we have them in a cold, dark room and are politely asking them questions? It is weird that such an arrest wouldn't be making bigger news.

A few news sites did run the story last night, even added the tweet that bateman posted, but i haven't heard anything since then.