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If anything ever looked flatter than this put out by NASA IDK or recall ever seeing it, so in some sense this seems kind of interesting, even if it maybe bologna.

Quote from: Ciardelo on November 12, 2015, 01:20:14 AM
Bill Nye the climate guy would make a good one hour guest.

Oh you mean the engineer? I forgot he's now a climate expert too? Did you see his psychobabble NG special?

Quote from: MichaelFromVA on November 12, 2015, 01:12:34 AM
Squatty Potty ad?

Yes that would work.

IDK it seems like they get to play Mad Max.

Maybe being addicted would be something worth getting into so i can purchase this product Art's selling to stop addiction. HAHA!

Also maybe I need to buy a treadmill so it can break and then i can call the psychic treadmill guy.

Get ready for some storm metaphors....

Looking forward to rerunning this one today!

Good show Art and guest!

http://www.eoht.info/page/Human+molecule

QuoteIt is often a neglected fact that humans are molecules that walk, run, and sometimes fly, on or above a 'surface', which from a chemical-definitions sense can be defined as either substrate or catalyst, depending on the context of discussion, which varies depending on subject mode: surface chemistry, surface physics, or surface thermodynamics. In this perspective, an intuitive way to better come to understand human behavior (movement and reactions) is to use the conception or reality that humans are 'walking molecules' on a surface and, using this perspective, study the behaviors and operation of smaller nano-size 'walking molecules'. The first operational walking molecules were developed in 2005 by German-born American physical chemist Ludwig Bartels at the University of California Riverside designed a molecule, called 9,10-dithioanthracene (DTA), that can walk in a straight line on a flat surface, like a little person.

Quote“the machines humans have invented will develop faults and flaws of their own”.

Soon they will no longer be aware of parts of their own minds; repression, denial and fantasy will cloud the empty sky of consciousness. Emerging from an inner world they cannot fathom, antagonistic impulses will govern their behaviour. Eventually these half-broken machines will have the impression that they are choosing their path through life. As in humans, this may be an illusion; but as the sensation takes hold, it will engender what in humans used to be called a soul.

And so the whole sorry business will start up all over again, only this time without what William Burroughs liked to call “soft machines” â€" us, and our like â€" and instead, a lot of rusting clunkers inside which a ghost clamours frantically for release.

http://www.theguardian.com/books/2015/apr/25/the-soul-of-marionette-enquiry-human-freedom-john-gray-review
So we invent machines with AI and they imagine they have souls...that leads me to ask what things created us? If we maybe robots and simulations, etc. Then it sort of implies that it just goes on forever. Why have simulations of such massive wars though? It seems kind of absurd. It seems we must have some form of free will, but that actually causes all our problems, why would we code into our simulations free will? Would we do the same in our AI robots, that they could behave without any guidelines from us? Maybe we are on the planet as a form of containment, like a jail to prevent us from destroying our makers, or a giant lab and or simulation, in other words we maybe smart AI robots that our creators cannot trusts us enough to have us around, maybe the Et's come and check on us, sort of like an antivirus program or malware monitor? HAHA!

I know you are a simulation, Minecraft, but what am I?

Quote from: maren on November 11, 2015, 01:02:55 AM
BTW, have you read Gregg Braden's Fractal Time?  Really interesting.  I'd suggested him as a guest to Heather when she first got the producer gig, but should probably suggest him again.  One of my faves.

No, but I've read Mandelbrots stuff and Chaos Theory books.

fractals within fractals....

he said it...

Quote from: maren on November 11, 2015, 12:41:41 AM
I just love you, QM 

Thanks so much, love you back, and all the gabbers as well. I also enjoy when Art gets these kinds of people on cause it gets my brain digits chomping and remembering things I hadn't thought about in awhile.

Acoustic Oscillations in the Early Universe and Today

http://www.sciencemag.org/content/292/5525/2302.abstract

the early universe rang like a galactic gong....

cut to commercial...

as far as heat death of universe maybe concerned, i tend to think the universe maybe steadily climbing up. More form filled and structure rich. Something came from nothing. Quarks in only 6 different forms, but quarks by the gazillions. Precisely identical copies of gazillions of these 6 different forms. No matter where they appeared. And all of these precise clones appearing at exactly the same instant. Precipitating with astonishing simultaneity. With mind boggling synchrony. Were these quarks formless? Far from it. All came complete with a social rulebook built into their very essence. All knew precisely which other quarks to evade and which other quarks to embrace.But here's the deal. Protons and neutrons were so radically different from quarkdom, so eye buggingly new, that they shocked the digestive solids out of the arch skeptic at the table, me. Is this a tendency towards formlessness? Is this a dissolving sugar cube? IS this a universe tumbling down the staircase of structure? No. This is a universe stepping up. A universe sprinting steadily up toward new structure and new ways of doing things. A universe inching, jumping, loping, and cart-wheeling upward on a staircase of amazements.

Quote from: SciFiAuthor on November 10, 2015, 11:55:40 PM
Ha, they've actually tried to differentiate that lately. We now have multiple types of entropy, Gibbs, Von Neumann, Shannon, even corporate entropy.

I just don't see how in a simulated universe or what did he call it, doesn't matter. I don't see why one would need to simulate death and decay and suffering to "make it seem more real" you could live forever and that too would seem very real as well, why would it seem less real? NDE's at least for me lend to me the possibility that we do go on for a very long time, why, I have no idea. The biological physical capsule might as well be called a biological simulator, why does it have to seem digital in nature? Informational existence in these bodies seem kind of fun but limited, in a simulation why would any limitation make much sense? Unless we already exist in a far less limited manner and this maybe a life like a deep sea diving trip or something of that nature, we put on this suit, this fleshy body bag of sorts.

Quote from: SciFiAuthor on November 10, 2015, 11:44:59 PM
Entropy is a basic law of the universe. All aging and death is a result of entropy in the same way that stars burn out and die etc. It only means that time moves forward in the simulation.

the steam engine...haha, the cosmos is not a steam engine.

Quote from: jazmunda on November 10, 2015, 11:29:02 PM
What if we are all just simulations of simulations of simulations? Think Inception. We could all just be extras in one of Data and Geordie's holodeck programs.

So then out of all the things that exist that could seem possible...but why would the simulation include aging and dying?
I'll wormhole Art about that one.
http://www.todayifoundout.com/index.php/2014/05/age/

Humans....one big glitch.