Mel's Hole

Started by Marc.Knight, December 17, 2009, 08:19:36 PM

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MV/Liberace!

if i were in a boat floating over that hole in the ocean, i'd feel creeped out by it.


Mops

Didn't the government take over Mel's Hole to dredge for spare change?
But seriously, there is a similar place in SW Missouri called "Devil's Den."  It's actually a pond about 100 feet or so in diameter located a half-hour from Springfield.  Once met the then-100 year-old owner (born just after the Civil War) and he said it became famous for a few years around the turn of the century because of what he called "blind fish" being pulled out.  According to him, these fish literally had no eyes, apparently because they no longer needed them.  Seems a variety of tree that doesn't grow within 600 miles also was found floating on the surface once upon a time. Over the years geologists have dropped wrecking balls in there and sent down divers but last I heard they have never determined how deep it is.     



Marc.Knight

Quote from: Mops on December 20, 2009, 01:58:26 AM
Didn't the government take over Mel's Hole to dredge for spare change?
But seriously, there is a similar place in SW Missouri called "Devil's Den."  It's actually a pond about 100 feet or so in diameter located a half-hour from Springfield.  Once met the then-100 year-old owner (born just after the Civil War) and he said it became famous for a few years around the turn of the century because of what he called "blind fish" being pulled out.  According to him, these fish literally had no eyes, apparently because they no longer needed them.  Seems a variety of tree that doesn't grow within 600 miles also was found floating on the surface once upon a time. Over the years geologists have dropped wrecking balls in there and sent down divers but last I heard they have never determined how deep it is.   

Maybe there is no "bottom".  The tree clue indicates it might be connected to a subterranean river.  The blind fish thing reminded me of my visit to the deepest freshwater lake on Earth:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Baikal  There are species of blind fish there with vestigial "eyes" barely visible under a thick layer of fat.  MV, have you heard about the "Devil's Den"?


MV/Liberace!

Quote from: Marc Knight on December 20, 2009, 08:17:39 AM
MV, have you heard about the "Devil's Den"?
no, i sure haven't.  i've been to that part of missouri many times, too.  i'm going to have to look into this.

MV/Liberace!

do you know if there are pictures of devil's den anywhere?  or some sort of official website?  preliminary search is turning up about a kajillion sites on different things all over the place called "devil's den."

Marc.Knight

Quote from: MV on December 20, 2009, 12:03:07 PM
do you know if there are pictures of devil's den anywhere?  or some sort of official website?  preliminary search is turning up about a kajillion sites on different things all over the place called "devil's den."

????

http://www.undergroundozarks.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=154&sid=488773163e70acf897c66cdf3c4ce023

Devil's Den Pond


Mops

Quote from: Marc Knight on December 20, 2009, 12:13:46 PM
??? ?

http://www.undergroundozarks.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=154&sid=488773163e70acf897c66cdf3c4ce023

Devil's Den Pond

Pretty picture.  It's been some 30-odd years since I last saw it.  It's really filled up.  Back then the pond was a good 60-80 feet below the surrounding surface.  It was real tricky getting down to it but then we were young and indestructable.
The civil defense director in Springfield once told me that Green County has more caves than any county in the U.S.  Recall the measurement was in "cave miles" or something.  The whole area is honey combed with some very deep caves.  Also, the old man I spoke of mentioned the pond became fabled (again) in the 1930's as the region's most reliable water source.       

There is another curiosity in the area near Denison, TX (located about an hour north of Dallas) on the Red River.  About 10-15 years ago divers exploring caves in adjacent lakes came across what they believed to be a prehistoric fish.  Apparently fairly large and/or scary looking because it scared the tar out of the divers.  It made the news.  Not long afterward someone sent me a copy of a newsphoto of a really weird looking fish/creature that a fisherman reeled in. There was some dispute over whether it was the same type or size of fish/creature the divers came across.  I can, however state factually that after seeing the pix I would have fled too.  Unfortunately I can't remember where I just put my glasses much less that clipping.  Last I heard, divers were still doing a lot of exploration, so they must have found lots of interesting stuff.

Incidentally, this is near the area where the so-called "Phoenecian Oven" was discovered on a small mountain after a flood in southern Oklahoma during the late 1990's.  The whole region is full of odd places and strange stories, including the old coal mines at Coalgate, OK, and Hugo, an old Indian trading post in the southeast corner of the state.  Nearby Antlers, OK, was once hit by a tornado that was out of the Twilight Zone.               

MV/Liberace!

hmm... interesting stuff, mops.


Ruteger

Wasn't this a porn flick from the 70's?!?  :P

SadieJane

At first listen, Mel Waters' story would seem to be totally bizarre.

But Mel sounds unpretentious and sincere, with no apparent personal motive.
This is probably my favorite interview series that Art Bell ever did.
So many portions of this story are quite unexpected, with twists and turns along the way.

Love it.  Just love it.



MV/Liberace!

Quote from: SadieJane on April 17, 2010, 09:30:00 AM
At first listen, Mel Waters' story would seem to be totally bizarre.

But Mel sounds unpretentious and sincere, with no apparent personal motive.
This is probably my favorite interview series that Art Bell ever did.
So many portions of this story are quite unexpected, with twists and turns along the way.

Love it.  Just love it.
didn't mel just sort of disappear from the face of the earth?

heater

"face of the earth" the correct wording...maybe he fell in a hole.


good show yesterday by the way.  I never really understood where Nick stood on the issues he presented but the dialog was enjoyable.  Need to get into the alien issues he kept hinting at, thought maybe we would get a Nick Pope type disclosure from him.

MV/Liberace!

watup, mudking.  we're going to have to get you on the radio show some time soon.

TeddyKGB

I was interested by Mel's Hole story but the story just got more and more bizzare as he was describing this squishy creature he found that apparently had healing powers and bucket of water turning to ice that burned and didn't melt.

MV/Liberace!

Quote from: TeddyKGB on June 24, 2010, 12:07:05 AM
I was interested by Mel's Hole story but the story just got more and more bizzare as he was describing this squishy creature he found that apparently had healing powers and bucket of water turning to ice that burned and didn't melt.
yeah, that was where my eyes became a bit glazed, as well.  however, i still rank the mel's hole thing among the top art interviews.  i believe the whole story came about when the guy was just a regular caller and art pursued his story further.  art had a knack for knowing when to pursue things.

KnyeGuy

The Mel's Hole story was awesome. Even with the really weird twists it was captivating as hell.
It was the strange little stories like this one that made the show so great: the ones with no overtly personal motive for profit.

Art really cultivated something great. I can't for the life of me figure out why in the hell he didn't attempt to preserve that.

MV/Liberace!

for anybody who hasn't heard it yet, or would like to hear it again, see attached.

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MV/Liberace!

here is the last appearance of mel that i have a copy of.  according to wikipedia, he made one more appearance on dec 20, 2002 but i don't appear to have that broadcast in my library.

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MV/Liberace!

Quote from: MV on June 24, 2010, 08:13:40 AM
here is the last appearance of mel that i have a copy of.  according to wikipedia, he made one more appearance on dec 20, 2002 but i don't appear to have that broadcast in my library.
actually, it appears mel's final appearance from dec 20 2002 is also included in this same file, as you'll hear in the announcement at the beginning of the show.

iBelieve

I suppose Noory doesn't follow up with any of the older guests? I haven't heard any legends from the past on Noory's show. IE Mel, Travis Walton and of course Bob Lazar

saucy

Quote from: iBelieve on July 02, 2010, 06:25:57 PM
I suppose Noory doesn't follow up with any of the older guests? I haven't heard any legends from the past on Noory's show. IE Mel, Travis Walton and of course Bob Lazar
no...not any more Dr.  Are you really...naah. I think Bobby Lazar was on one time with Snoory Noory.   But, not Mel.  Art and Mel were the hot ticket once upon a time, weren't they! 

TeddyKGB

One interesting note. I always thought Art had a Scientific/Engineering inclined mind. One of the question I was asking myself as Mel described putting 80,000 feet of line down was, well the weight of the line would be enough to drag the line down indefinitely, to my delight, Art raised the same question, but Mel just swayed away from it and changed the topic. I wish Art had followed that more.

Faster345

Sweet! Thank you MV for posting those links, I have the first interview that is part of my "collection of old stuff to listen to when the live C2C sucks", will love hearing the next two interviews.

Cheers.

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