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Quote from: VoteQuimby on May 13, 2016, 01:02:44 PM
I'm an elitist because I understand how the government is supposed to work?

You're an elitist because you think your socio-economic status entitles you to deference and that your's is the one true path.  And, no, you don't know how government "is supposed" to work.  It isn't a mechanism for you and yours to entrench and abscond with this society's wealth and happiness.

Quote from: VoteQuimby on May 13, 2016, 12:18:31 PM
I don't even know the politically correct terms this week anymore but I've known some dudes who switched teams to varying degrees. I have a tough time believing they'd really have an issue quietly going into a woman's restroom and doing their thing. I never even heard of anything remotely being a problem like this back when I lived in a socialist paradise.

Yeah, back in the good old days when faggots, queer-o-sexuals, freaks, trannies, etc. people who did not follow the "social norm" kept to their shadows.

Keep suppressing those "different" malcontents!  Maybe they'll move to Africa and set up "Queersylvania"!

Quote from: pyewacket on May 13, 2016, 12:32:18 PM
The only logical solution that would serve the greatest good would be to have a third bathroom/changing room option. That is if you apply the philosophy of Utilitarianism, which simply stated is: the belief that a morally good action is one that helps the greatest number of people.

These gender laws appear to do the complete opposite. They will harm not only the people who object to them but also the transgendered themselves. There will be deviants and sex offenders who will exploit these laws for their own purposes and people will be victimized. The transgendered will be viewed as the cause whether they've done anything wrong or not.

I'm pretty sure they've been using the bathrooms with no one objecting for many years now. I've met several at stores and my kids knew a cross dressing guy, who was fun to shop with. I can't see any of them wanting to attract this kind of attention.

This will not end well- there are already new stories about creepy men hanging out in the women's restrooms.

News flash.  Creepy men have been invading women's rest rooms since the dawn of rest rooms.  Of course, your argument presumes the worst case scenario where some deviant malcontent will exploit this law to accost people (of either gender) when there is no evidence to support claim.  This is yet another conservative classic red herring to shout like Chicken Little about the hordes or pervs invading the girls bathroom at the elementary school.  Not too preposterous. 

This is just like the Ebola epidemic (you remember, the one that killed millions of Americans like you all said it would?) where cries of "every epidemic horror movie has a seen where a doctor tells us there's nothing to panic about".  Glad you guys called that one!

Scream on, chicken little...

Quote from: VoteQuimby on May 13, 2016, 12:58:01 PM
The employer of these retards.

Yeahh!!!  Load up the snark!  Give an elitist response like that then tell us again how you are "the common man"!

Quote from: chefist on May 13, 2016, 12:37:28 PM
How can you trust Warren? She won't take a DNA test to prove she is native American? She used that status for acceptance and financial aid in college.

Why is it conservatives always presume to demand everyone else prove themselves?  "Show me your birth certificate", "Take a DNA test", "Sign my asshat Loyalty Pledge", (ok, I paraphrased that last one).  On what basis do any of you presume to be the arbiters of who is, who can, and who does?  What the hell are your qualifications?

No, wait, I feel the smug, sanctimonious piety coursing up like vomit: "Why, we're strict Constitutional constructionalists who believe in unicorns free markets, ending handouts to coloreds, limited government, and not paying any low taxes!"

Seriously, really.  Who do you think you are?

Quote from: norland2424 on May 08, 2016, 05:20:28 PM
by bush wack you mean what happened to JFK in dallas right?

I shouldn't even laugh but 

Quote from: DanTSX on May 07, 2016, 10:44:24 PM
How will he deny LGBT rights already "won" or that they are still fighting for?

He was for homosexual marriage rights when Hillary was still against it.  (Ironic on a few levels.)

He also was quite clear about his thoughts on the stupid southerners and their bathroom laws.

This is all on the record.

Now you're just embarassing yourself. Seriously, go back and read what I said and you will see I ALREADY SAID THAT !!!!  And yeah, its on the record here, too.

Quote from: DanTSX on May 08, 2016, 10:50:10 AM
That is some fiction there bud!  Nice violent leftist fantasy though.

You just stay put in your little corrupt city liquor mart and keep making up narratives about how anyone who has ever achieved anything, was at the expense of some misappropriated group to which you assigned a label.  I can assure you that this little state is more than large enough for the two of us.

"Making up narratives"?? I'd never dare presume to tread on your specialty!

Quote from: DanTSX on May 08, 2016, 10:56:48 AM
I wish nowhereintime would take the time off to transition.

So now you want me to become a woman and then, what, fufill your every desire?

Again, coherence. Try it. BTW, missed you too popgun.

Quote from: DanTSX on May 08, 2016, 10:58:27 AM
What a let down.  If you were as clever as I thought you were, you would had taken that comment as a compliment. :. Sad!

I find myself asking the same question every time you get involved in my conversations:  What the Hell are you talking about?

I took FTF's greeting exactly as a compliment. I'm sorry if you missed my (admittedly weak) attempt at self deprecation in my reply.

I get you don't like me. I've clearly made it obvious I don't care. Be as snarky as you like but for Heaven's sake try to be coherent.

Quote from: DanTSX on May 07, 2016, 11:29:40 PM
When did the bellgab politics section boot all the libs and swing to the alt right?


This is awesome!  It's like /pol/ but without the shillbots!


It used to be me, quickkarl, paladin, albrecht,and one other guy holding down a fairly wide blend of centre-right viewpoints against sarcasticpud, nowhereintime (who actually tried to physically fight me, as he is somewhat local (but I refuse to visit his degenerate business in his degenerate town)), and about 30 other regular highly intolerant leftists.

2016 the year everything went so right!

Whoa, whoa, whoa, there, missy.  I didn't "try" to physically fight you.  You popped off on how you and your Sig Sauer phallic replacement were going to saunter on down here from your east of Hartford shit pot and were going to set me straight!  If you still want to take the first swing I'll still be happy to take the last!

Quote from: pyewacket on May 08, 2016, 08:41:29 AM
It's fun to watch the leftists when they realize what happens when their demands are met. They demanded a minimum wage hike and are now outraged by the inevitable result- layoffs.

http://www.breitbart.com/california/2016/05/06/first-layoff-at-berkeley-after-minimum-wage-hike-sparks-protest/

It's even more fun to watch rightists gloat over job losses.  Yes, you are a moral people you conservatives.

Hitlery is a monster.  She's so ensconced in her cocoon of triangulation she doesn't even know which way she's spinning.  She should change her campaign slogan from "I'm with her" to "It's all about her" because that part of her platform is the only rock solid in her world on intangibles. 

Quote from: 21st Century Man on May 07, 2016, 11:56:54 PM

First off, it is exclusionary.

Oh, you got me!!  Way to win the argument!

QuoteHowever, I will put this down as a typo mistake although I wouldn't be surprised if our public education system failed you and you didn't know how to spell the word.

Yeah??  You damn well better dot every "i" and cross every "t" or, by God, I'll...still win arguments without calling attention to grammatical, spelling, and typing errors.  You've been on Bellgab long enough to know that's bottom feeder.

QuoteAs for me being an elitist, you couldn't be further from the truth.

You can honestly type that the very sentence after you trash the public school systems of our country?  No, not at all elitist.

QuoteI'm a nobody with no power whatsoever save for the power over my own life.  Yes, indeed, I am part of the common man.  However, you with your arrogance, sanctimony and ego are typical of the elite.

Nailed by the classic petard: "I-know-you-are..."

QuoteYou have all of the answers and fuck everyone else who doesn't share your opinions.

No, just fuck everyone that rationalizes greed and selfishness and doesn't own it.  Oh, and fuck people who have to fall back on semantics and dismissal because they don't have an intellectual response to their "principles" being challenged.   

Quote from: FightTheFuture on May 08, 2016, 08:48:24 AM

NiT! you ol` proggie, you! Come here and give me a man hug!

What up brother??  Hugs all around!  I'll start on the left...

Quote from: DanTSX on May 08, 2016, 08:59:52 AM
I didn't think you could be anymore unlikable, then you post this.

Seriously, pop-gun?  Fly by night (or by day, whatever) away from here!!

Quote from: 21st Century Man on May 08, 2016, 01:03:02 AM
Well, I'm glad you agree that there is too much federal government.  That is a start.  However,  yes I believe in streamlining government and getting rid of bureaucracies like the Department of Education.  I'm sure you think that we should cut the Defense Department's budget even further than it has already been cut. I don't agree with wars in foreign countries when that country or power has not instigated an attack against us.  So, yes,  I would disagree with invasions like the Iraq war if there is no valid reason for said invasion.   Anyway,  the Constitution says the Federal Government should provide for the common defense.  I agree. Per the 10th amendment, many other responsibilities, like education, fall to the states.

Education would indeed "fall" if left to the states.  Texas teaching Creationism because social conservatives stack the education boards. 

Conservative policy groups who are working to spread anti-climate change curricula into states through social conservative activism...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/post/will-your-kid-be-taught-that-climate-change-is-a-hoax/2012/02/22/gIQAp6fFVR_blog.html

...even as the Antarctic breaks apart melts into the ocean:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/23/massive-iceberg-makes-a-run-for-it_n_5199559.html

The reality is that conservatives fear education above all else.  The more people know, the less conservative they are, as evidenced by the emerging generation, the most connected and informed in our history:

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2014/09/25/the-gops-millennial-problem-runs-deep/

QuoteI would never use the word libtard personally.  I'm also not a big fan of Savage but he is amusing sometimes. Much of the time I prefer to call myself a classical liberal as opposed to a conservative.  That is what the Founders called themselves and I align myself with them .  Yes they were not perfect.  Many of them regrettably had slaves but they also realized slavery was wrong and that the institution would and should eventually die.  As for Cruz and his principles, I would say that some principles are not negotiable.  It is too bad that you do not share that belief.

It depends on the principles.  This unshakable belief in "limited government" that only seems to apply to things cons don't like isn't a real principle.

It is evident in your  "Gee golly, gosh" dismissal of the history of slavery issue.  The stark reality is that you "strict constructionalists" still, through your 10th Amendment code, cannot reconcile the deep racial divide caused by importing human beings of another color into this nation to toil (from birth to death) with no true compensation (free market principles?  really?).  Once emancipated, through a war over "states' rights" no less, they to this day have not been welcomed into the society as equals. 

Conservatives have opposed every attempt  to move the descendants of these people into society as equals.  Everything from armed forces integration through equal access to public locations and services through voting rights have been vigorously opposed by your Conservative Movement. 

Well, at least your principles are non-negotiable.

QuoteYou and I probably disagree what the term, free market, implies.  There has not been a free market in my lifetime.

Nor have there been unicorns.  Why?  Because both are pure fantasy.

QuoteIn a truly free market, there are no favorites.

And this is one of my biggest problems with conservatism.  You have a philosophy of acting in your "self-interest" yet somehow reconcile that with a market of "no favorites"?  The real reason you will never have "free markets" is precisely because from the word "go" self-interested parties will do anything and everything to decimate competition.  The "free market" immediately begins to move away from the interests of the consuming public, as we have seen with M&A activity resulting in "downsizing", "outsourcing", and "streamlining" which is code for "less competition".  This always leads to unfair consumer conditions, usually in the form of diluted product at higher prices.  Your free market can never work because of the inherent dishonesty of the self-interested.

QuoteOur government with its tax loops, make certain that certain big corporations are favored in the environment it provides.  Can you say GE?

I can. I live in CT where GE is headquartered (at least for now) and they are leaving after 42 years.  The reason?  Lack of predictability.  So, no matter the tax breaks, it is never enough if the corporate welfare teat isn't guaranteed to flow.  They're off to Boston (Taxachussetts, of all places!) because Mass has done a lot to welcome them.  States are monkey rolling over each other to provide breaks that corporations lap up. 

QuoteYou can blame Ronnie for that if you want but it was Obama who allowed that to happen.

No.  Historically wrong.  It was the Reagan Administration that fought for M&A deregulation like cats with their tails on fire and it was GOP Lite Bubba Clinton who rubber stamped every merger in the 90's.

QuoteHowever, Democrats and Republicans can both share the blame for situations like that.  For you to blame Reagan alone is a bit ridiculous.

Yet for conservatives to hail him as some great visionary isn't?  Staggering.

QuoteBasically our government has become a front for corporate elitists.  Liberals, moderates and conservatives are responsible for that.

Moderates and cons, yes.  I can't really find a liberal since FDR or maybe Jimmy Carter (I think JFK was starting to drift left, but, well, we put a stop to that, didn't we?); Bubba and Barry are, at best, moderates.  Obama is a social liberal but fiscally?  Aside from the "original sin" of Obamacare, isn't this economy exactly the one you cons have been fighting for?  The triumph of corporate power?  The subjugation (and de-unionization) of the "proles"? The stride toward global markets (TPP?  Needs to be TP'd.)?   Barry O has facilitated conservatism's wettest dreams!

QuoteOh yeah.  Conservatives like the late Charlton Heston have no heart and want to strike down voting rights.  LOL, he only marched with King to Washington.   Next please.

Lol.  He probably had him in his gun sights.  Lol.  Next, please.  (Oh, and definitive proof of conservative "compassion"  Ya got me!!!)

QuoteI do want to make sure that only citizens can vote.  I do not want citizens of other countries like Mexico to vote here.  Your beloved leaders want them to vote because they can't get enough voters otherwise.  So yes, I'm all for voter id laws. You want to talk about voter fraud?  How about Mayor Daley in 1960 Chicago or even the 2000 vote when Al Gore couldn't get enough votes to win Florida so he tried to manufacture votes?  Next please.

You mean the 2000 election when the conservative SCOTUS handed George Bush the presidency despite losing the popular vote?  Next, please.  You mean the way J. Kenneth Blackwell rigged Diebold machines in Ohio that completely contradicted exit polling in 2004?  Next, please.

And my favorite classical conservative justification for all their electoral evil: "CHICAGO!!!!"  Rally round, lads!  Chicago done us wrong!!

QuoteSo you are ok with male perverts going into women's restrooms to watch women pee or poop.  Glad we clarified that.  Next, please.

So you happily employ condescending cynicism and intellectual dishonesty to ameliorate your repugnant discrimination?  Glad you clarified that.  Next, please.

QuoteWell that is good to know.  I'll be sure to remember that the next time you go off on somebody for not agreeing with you.

I "go off" on people who employ roll eyed dismissal of their opponents as intellectually inferior.  I "go off" on people who sanctimoniously tout principles that are exclusionary, discriminatory, and economically unviable.  I "go off" on people who fail to defend their outrageous statements with any actual principled defense and rely upon breezy condescending tropes like "next, please" to dismiss a criticism rather than answer it. 

You need to learn what all cons need to learn: this nation isn't your personal playground.  You can take your ball and go home if you want, but the rest of us are still here on the swings,slides, and sandboxes.

Quote from: aldousburbank on May 08, 2016, 08:44:03 AM

Not helping the argument.

Quote from: 21st Century Man on May 08, 2016, 12:10:23 AM
Thanks, starr, for your support.   Also, thanks goes out to Gravity Sucks as well.

Here I am looking forward to challenging political debate and I've stumbled onto a support group?!?

This, by the way, is why AM talk radio thrives; cons repeatedly need to be bucked up and have their collective amorality validated.

Quote from: Ruteger on May 07, 2016, 07:47:15 PM
Hillary Clinton is not the problem. The problem is with the idiots that will vote for her. We can replace politicians, but not an idiotic electorate.

Unless of course you are volunteering for a suicide mission...

Quote from: starrmtn001 on May 07, 2016, 05:36:50 PM
+ Infinity.

+ I-know-you-are-but-what-am-I?  Dammit, I promised myself I wouldn't go right here...

Quote from: starrmtn001 on May 07, 2016, 05:35:58 PM
Wouldn't my being an Independent make me a moderate?  You must be confusing me with someone else.

First, unless you are admitting to membership in the Independence Party, you are not an "independent" as the MSM so lazily asserts, you are "unaffiliated", which is too linguistically challenging for pigs like David Gregory and Chuck Todd.

Second, I applaud the unaffiliated and their right to vote in primaries (though not caucuses, as they are paid for by the parties themselves, usually). As this election cycle has proven, unaffiliated voters can choose the democratic socialism of Bernie Sanders or the nationalism of Donald Trump, as well as anywhere on the political spectrum they so desire. 

I do not, however,  see how you inferred your membership in the Independence Party qualifies you as "moderate".

Quote from: GravitySucks on May 07, 2016, 07:22:02 PM
Then you should move to a country that has a government like that. That is the antithesis of what our Constitution is based on.

First, wrong.  The Constitution isn't a guarantor of greed and selfishness, much as conservatives would like it to be.  Second, I'd rather stay here and continue to make this country, that I love and cherish, the paragon of justice, peace and virtue that it should be.  Your patron saint often referred to this nation as the "shining city on the hill"; was he only referring to the glint off the piles of lucre you and yours had stashed away?  As much as I despise the cynicism of the man, I think not. 

The Constitution says I can do that, too.

Quote from: 21st Century Man on May 07, 2016, 03:58:25 PM
I'll respond to your babble later, Lord Nowhere.

Condescending paternalistic snark? Sterotypical

QuoteI'm going out for a night on the town with my wife.

I'm sure she's thrilled. Two passes through the Sizzler salad bar then off to a screening of "The Fountainhead" at the local Rotary Club with a video Q&A afterward featuring Alan Greenspan.  You romantic, you.

QuoteWhen I get back, this piece of rabble will respond.  Someone needs to speak up for the serfs in your kingdom, my lord.

Speaking of "my lord", my lord its the ultimate in contrivance and conceit when exlusionary elitists like you play at being the "common man".

Given your responses so far, my insomnia cannot wait for your curative further discourse.

Quote from: VtaGeezer on May 07, 2016, 03:33:42 PM
See?  This exchange is why Trump has taken the country by storm.  Instead all the high dudgeon; he'd express the same sentiments with simple but clear "F*ck off".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4--cG8h52Ps

Quote from: VoteQuimby on May 07, 2016, 03:11:46 PM
Do they want people for more than donations, phone banking and door knocking now?

Not right now, but it is still primary season.  I really want to see how much of the resources of the campaign will be spent creating a network of groups, supporting massive voter registration drives, challenging voter suppression laws with legal action, pushing toward economic justice by recruiting and supporting candidates, etc., etc.  I suspect that "feel the Bern" will probably go the way of "yes we can" or "HHHEYEYEYYYYAAARRRGH!"  (I just can't remember Dean's actual slogan, so I substitute the one for which he is most famous.)

Quote from: starrmtn001 on May 07, 2016, 03:14:16 PM
+1 !!!

+ nothing.  Conservatism is a pseudo-intellectual rationalization of selfishness.  Hell, you even define yourselves as acting in your "self-interest". 

Quote from: 21st Century Man on May 07, 2016, 03:10:36 PM
You want to live with your false stereotype, then so be it, however that is your opinion and your opinion alone.  I completely disagree with you.  I'm tired of people like you telling us that the federal government knows whats best for the people.  The government is supposed to represent the interests of We the People and it hasn't for decades. I would never tell you what you should believe. I'm all for the diversity of opinion but I resent how you characterize those of us who don't think like you.

I resent the unctuous nature of conservatives in general who consistently present themselves as the most politically principled citizens of the country.  I'm tired of people like you framing my political beliefs as "the federal government knows what's best for the people"; I truly believe there is too much federal government, but I damn well guarantee you and I disagree where the cutting needs to be done.

I am outraged when I see some con unwilling to negotiate (like your man Cruz) because of the sanctity of his "principles".  I am tired of the paternalistic condescension (like "libtard" or the constant refrain of "liberalism is a mental disorder") that dehumanizes people who oppose your politics.  How is this "representing the interests of We the People"?  Notice you said "for decades"?  I agree, about three and a half of them, now.  I am frustrated at the economic devastation caused by Supply Side economics and the never-ending pervasive wealth transfer from everyone else to the rich initiated and augmented by conservative "free market" horseshit dogma and tax policy.

There is nothing false in my stereotype: there is absolutely no proof you or any conservative can provide that qualifies anything in your political beliefs (or political actions) as "compassion" or "empathy" .  Conservatism is by its very nature an exclusive philosophy.  Voting rights?  Strike 'em down.  Allegations of voter fraud?  They may be bullshit, but's let's work like hell to create voter ID laws while simultaneously closing down access to ID centers.  Money is speech?  No one aside from a conservative believes this.  The SCOTUS only supported this 5-4 and only then with its' conservative core leading that charge for "freedom".

Conservatism preaches "limited government" yet passes restroom laws and has its standard bearer publicly accusing people of wanting "Men to go to the bathroom with little girls" (and don't you dare pretend you don't know it was your boy Lucifer who did this) as its counter argument.  Disgusting in its dishonesty on so many levels, yet this is classic conservatism; government sucks until we want to alienate and exclude people.

I, too, welcome diversity of opinion, as long as it can be made a)without contrasting yourself against others and b) offers a genuine solution to a problem rather than trying to jerk us off with the "invisible hand".

Quote from: 136 or 142 on May 07, 2016, 03:06:40 PM
Donald Trump's civil trial for his Trump University has been held off until after the election.  Was the Obama Department of Justice behind that as well?

Leaving aside it is a civil suit which, frankly, will do little further damage to Trump, there has been so little legal standing against Trump that suits are continually thrown out:

http://gawker.com/judge-dismisses-federal-lawsuit-against-donald-trumps-m-1766777164

They are rescheduled because there is finding that can occur that can bar Trump from his path to the Presidency.  The House can initiate impeachment if they believe a finding of fraud in the federal or state cases rise to the level of "misdemeanors", but good luck with that.

Quote from: TigerLily on May 03, 2016, 07:16:44 PM
Indiana. Good for Bernie!

This has become a lonely thread.  The battle is over, but the war for the soul of the movement is just beginning. Question is, will Bernie turn the movement into a self serving PAC like Howard Dean (Democracy for America) or BHO (Organizing for America) did, or will they actually want people for more than donations and door knocking?