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Kidnostad3

Quote from: Dr. MD MD on March 02, 2017, 11:45:07 PM
Does anyone really believe this? Really?!  :D

You know I've often wondered why Pud seems to care so much.  He really doesn't have any skin in the game.  I guess everything is Rosie in England and the blogs there are pretty boaring.     

GravitySucks

Quote from: Yorkshire Pud on March 02, 2017, 11:48:17 PM
That will depend on what the spooks reveal won't it? You really think everything is above board when Obama put in further sanctions and Putin did nothing? And it just so happens Flynn spoke to the Russian ambassador between the sanction implementation and Putin throwing a party for US diplomats and their families?

There's been four so far, possibly six who had 'chats' with the same diplomat. Probably about the merits of caviar or posdibly the Bolshio ballet. Just a misunderstanding by those pesky CIA spooks.

You didn't answer the question.


Yorkshire pud

Quote from: Kidnostad3 on March 02, 2017, 11:48:28 PM
You know I've often wondered why Pud seems to care so much.  He really doesn't have any skin in the game.  I guess everything is Rosie in England and the blogs there are pretty boaring.   

He does have a skin. Trump is a deluded, mentally ill, narcissist. He also has nuclear weapons at his disposal. So yeah, I have a say. As do 7 billion other people.

Yorkshire pud

Quote from: GravitySucks on March 02, 2017, 11:49:35 PM
You didn't answer the question.

You know the bit where police collect evidence, form a case, charge and then take a case to court? The FBI are at stage one. Keep up.

Dr. MD MD

Quote from: Yorkshire Pud on March 02, 2017, 11:51:19 PM
He does have a skin. Trump is a deluded, mentally ill, narcissist. He also has nuclear weapons at his disposal. So yeah, I have a say. As do 7 billion other people.

Yep, it's always the same over the top alarmist shit.  ::)

Dr. MD MD

Quote from: Yorkshire Pud on March 02, 2017, 11:52:42 PM
You know the bit where police collect evidence, form a case, charge and then take a case to court? The FBI are at stage one. Keep up.

Unrepentant shill.  ::)

Kidnostad3

Quote from: Yorkshire Pud on March 02, 2017, 11:51:19 PM
He does have a skin. Trump is a deluded, mentally ill, narcissist. He also has nuclear weapons at his disposal. So yeah, I have a say. As do 7 billion other people.

Ain't that the truth.  If the jet stream and prevailing winds are right, we can probably take out about 6 billion give or take.  We're going to start with California.

GravitySucks

Quote from: Yorkshire Pud on March 02, 2017, 11:52:42 PM
You know the bit where police collect evidence, form a case, charge and then take a case to court? The FBI are at stage one. Keep up.

Investigations generally occur when there are suspicions of an actual crime. I can understand investigating what actions the Russians might have taken to learn how they might have tried to do something nefarious... That is a counterintelligence operation. I don't understand the push to investigate US citizens unless someone can state exactly which laws might have been broken.

Warrants have to specify which crimes may have occurred and what evidence there is for suspicion.

I don't see how having contacts between a US citizen and a foreign diplomat of a country we are not at war with constitutes a crime.

Recording conversations of a US citizen and archiving those recordings is not supposed to occur unless there is a warrant. There are specific laws that have to be followed if conversations with US citizens are inadvertently captured while monitoring foreign communications.

albrecht

Quote from: Yorkshire Pud on March 02, 2017, 11:51:19 PM
He does have a skin. Trump is a deluded, mentally ill, narcissist. He also has nuclear weapons at his disposal. So yeah, I have a say. As do 7 billion other people.
So? So do you and your lot did a Brexit, tried a Scotit or whatever than manipulated vote was called, that upset other nuclear powers and Europeans (and some Americans.) You don't see us, aside from Obama admittedly, try to stop or interfere in your vote or even comment on it, much. By your logic, and actually anyone with a rational mind, you would want some type of peace or détente, or least stability, between Russia and the US (and West and Europe in general) or indeed between any nuclear power. Instead you, the DNC, the Left, etc want to ratchet it up to some kind of new Cold War- or even hot one? Why isn't trade and business better? Why do you leftists who cozy up to the socialists and commies in the past now talk like LeMay or some rabid Bircher about Russia? And all of the conspiracy theories! I have a list! It has this many names! It is funny, in a way.

ps: I have a long drive and so downloading the Prom 31 from 2016 now. And I'm not paying the BBC tv tax to do so! We will see about the Dane conductor though.


K_Dubb

Quote from: albrecht on March 03, 2017, 12:01:43 AM
So? So do you and your lot did a Brexit, tried a Scotit or whatever than manipulated vote was called, that upset other nuclear powers and Europeans (and some Americans.) You don't see us, aside from Obama admittedly, try to stop or interfere in your vote or even comment on it, much. By your logic, and actually anyone with a rational mind, you would want some type of peace or détente, or least stability, between Russia and the US (and West and Europe in general) or indeed between any nuclear power. Instead you, the DNC, the Left, etc want to ratchet it up to some kind of new Cold War- or even hot one? Why isn't trade and business better? Why do you leftists who cozy up to the socialists and commies in the past now talk like LeMay or some rabid Bircher about Russia? And all of the conspiracy theories! I have a list! It has this many names! It is funny, in a way.

ps: I have a long drive and so downloading the Prom 31 from 2016 now. And I'm not paying the BBC tv tax to do so! We will see about the Dane conductor though.

Thomas Dausgaard is excellent!  I have I think all of Brahms's and Schumann's symphonies by him and they are my favorites.

albrecht

Quote from: K_Dubb on March 03, 2017, 12:08:16 AM
Thomas Dausgaard is excellent!  I have I think all of Brahms's and Schumann's symphonies by him and they are my favorites.
I heard he was in Seattle. I will check out his other stuff. Thanks for the recommendation! I'm putting together a selection so I have at hand lots of stuff. I have a selection of old Art Bell, old Phil Hendrie, some Proms, and some BBC Radio Plays and OTR for the drive. I also will have some metal and old country when more "keep awake" music is needed. In addition to catching whatever AM is out there. Considering breaking out my old CB but not sure.

K_Dubb

Quote from: albrecht on March 03, 2017, 12:13:33 AM
I heard he was in Seattle. I will check out his other stuff. Thanks for the recommendation! I'm putting together a selection so I have at hand lots of stuff. I have a selection of old Art Bell, old Phil Hendrie, some Proms, and some BBC Radio Plays and OTR for the drive. I also will have some metal and old country when more "keep awake" music is needed. In addition to catching whatever AM is out there. Considering breaking out my old CB but not sure.

Oh find at least the first movement of Schumann's Spring symphony with the Swedish Chamber Orchestra -- that blew me away!

Quote from: 21st Century Man on March 02, 2017, 11:35:30 PM
This whole episode is nothing more than a smokescreen for the Democrats and the media's war on Republicans.  I guarantee you, nothing will come out of any investigations that suggest Trump's campaign and the Russians were colluding to tamper with the election.  #witchhunt

You know better than that, 21. If that's all it is, Flynn wouldn't have resigned and Sessions wouldn't have suddenly recused himself. It takes a lot more than run of the mill political hatchet jobs and fake news to make Cabinet level officials to cave in so easily. Speaking of which, the next shoe to drop could be a $500 slipper belonging to Commerce Secretary, Wilbur Ross over his involvement with the Bank of Cypress. Not to mention his ties to Russia that date back to the early nineties when Bill Clinton appointed him to the board of the U.S.-Russia Investment Fund. That alone should result in his eventual resignation because any connection to the Clinton administration automatically assumes that he must be guilty of something.

Of course, nobody's guilty until convicted and you can take that from the mouth of Wilbur's horse, you unrepentant cinephile.

Dr. MD MD

Quote from: Robert Ghostwolf's Ghost on March 03, 2017, 12:28:22 AM
You know better than that, 21. If that's all it is, Flynn wouldn't have resigned and Sessions wouldn't have suddenly recused himself. It takes a lot more than run of the mill political hatchet jobs and fake news to make Cabinet level officials to cave in so easily. Speaking of which, the next shoe to drop could be a $500 slipper belonging to Commerce Secretary, Wilbur Ross over his involvement with the Bank of Cypress. Not to mention his ties to Russia that date back to the early nineties when You know better than that, 21. If that's all it is, Flynn wouldn't have resigned and Sessions wouldn't have suddenly recused himself. It takes a lot more than run of the mill political hatchet jobs and fake news to make Cabinet level officials to cave in so easily.

Speaking of which, the next shoe to drop could be a $500 slipper belonging to Commerce Secretary, Wilbur Ross over his involvement with the Bank of Cypress. Not to mention his ties to Russia dating back to the early nineties when Bill Clinton appointed him to the board of the U.S.-Russia Investment Fund. That alone should be enough to force his eventual resignation, because any connection to the Clinton administration automatically assumes that he must be guilty of something.

Of course, nobody's guilty until convicted and you can take that from the mouth of Wilbur's horse, you unrepentant cinephile.

And if ifs and buts were beer and nuts we'd all have a great party. Got any actual evidence?  ??? ::)

albrecht

Quote from: K_Dubb on March 03, 2017, 12:23:10 AM
Oh find at least the first movement of Schumann's Spring symphony with the Swedish Chamber Orchestra -- that blew me away!
Wrote myself a note to get. Takk!
ps: just read "Norse Mythology" by Neil Gaiman. I never heard of him but don't let his "comic book" history etc turn you off. Great read and good way to introduce the good stuff to people young and old (not tok young.) He does a good job retelling famous legends. Some translations etc issues but darn good. I seriously was laughing out loud at his way of telling some of them (esp when Loki involved,  of course.) But a good synopsys of the stuff in selected tales and overview. I recommend for even those who are aware but especially for those who dont.

Quote from: Robert Ghostwolf's Ghost on March 03, 2017, 12:28:22 AM
You know better than that, 21. If that's all it is, Flynn wouldn't have resigned and Sessions wouldn't have suddenly recused himself. It takes a lot more than run of the mill political hatchet jobs and fake news to make Cabinet level officials to cave in so easily. Speaking of which, the next shoe to drop could be a $500 slipper belonging to Commerce Secretary, Wilbur Ross over his involvement with the Bank of Cypress. Not to mention his ties to Russia that date back to the early nineties when Bill Clinton appointed him to the board of the U.S.-Russia Investment Fund. That alone should result in his eventual resignation because any connection to the Clinton administration automatically assumes that he must be guilty of something.

Of course, nobody's guilty until convicted and you can take that from the mouth of Wilbur's horse, you unrepentant cinephile.

Sessions shouldn't have recused.  He was cowed to do it by some misguided advice in the Justice department.  He is a man of integrity and the two interviews he had with the Russian ambassador were under the auspices of his senatorial duties not as a member of the Trump campaign.  He is hiding nothing.  As for Flynn, I think he had to resign because he lied to the Vice-President not because of public pressure from the Dems and media.  RGG, come back and tell me if something alarming does come out regarding this Russian business.  Call me out on my prediction.  I've been observing politics for over 35 years and I know how both parties act.  Republicans unfortunately tend to cave to Democratic demands but if the shoe was on the other foot, the Democrats would hold firm.

Quote from: albrecht on March 03, 2017, 12:41:11 AM
Wrote myself a note to get. Takk!
ps: just read "Norse Mythology" by Neil Gaiman. I never heard of him but don't let his "comic book" history etc turn you off. Great read and good way to introduce the good stuff to people young and old (not tok young.) He does a good job retelling famous legends. Some translations etc issues but darn good. I seriously was laughing out loud at his way of telling some of them (esp when Loki involved,  of course.) But a good synopsys of the stuff in selected tales and overview. I recommend for even those who are aware but especially for those who dont.

I have all of his Sandman comic books.  That was a great series.

K_Dubb

Quote from: albrecht on March 03, 2017, 12:41:11 AM
Wrote myself a note to get. Takk!
ps: just read "Norse Mythology" by Neil Gaiman. I never heard of him but don't let his "comic book" history etc turn you off. Great read and good way to introduce the good stuff to people young and old (not tok young.) He does a good job retelling famous legends. Some translations etc issues but darn good. I seriously was laughing out loud at his way of telling some of them (esp when Loki involved,  of course.) But a good synopsys of the stuff in selected tales and overview. I recommend for even those who are aware but especially for those who dont.

Ha, I was looking at that!  I'll order it.  BTW the Snorri book is good but, like you say, translation issues -- too many latinate words when perfectly good Germanic cognates exist in English.  But found this one great quote from the beginning of Heimskringla that pretty much sums up my whole approach to old texts of all kinds, history and religious -- paraphrasing now:  "We have no way of knowing whether these things are true, but old wise men certainly spoke of them as though they were."

albrecht

Quote from: K_Dubb on March 03, 2017, 12:49:16 AM
Ha, I was looking at that!  I'll order it.  BTW the Snorri book is good but, like you say, translation issues -- too many latinate words when perfectly good Germanic cognates exist in English.  But found this one great quote from the beginning of Heimskringla that pretty much sums up my whole approach to old texts of all kinds, history and religious -- paraphrasing now:  "We have no way of knowing whether these things are true, but old wise men certainly spoke of them as though they were."
From his (Neil Gaiman) version (and bringing thread back to Trump and his politics!) Odin, and the other gods, decide they need a WALL!

Quote from: albrecht on March 03, 2017, 12:58:37 AM
From his (Neil Gaiman) version (and bringing thread back to Trump and his politics!) Odin, and the other gods, decide they need a WALL!

Love it!!  ;D

Quote from: 21st Century Man on March 03, 2017, 12:45:01 AM
Sessions shouldn't have recused.  He was cowed to do it by some misguided advice in the Justice department.  He is a man of integrity and the two interviews he made with the Russian ambassador were under the auspices of his senatorial duties not as a member of the Trump campaign.  He is hiding nothing.  As for Flynn, I think he had to resign because he lied to the Vice-President not because of public pressure from the Dems and media.  RGG, come back and tell me if something alarming does come out regarding this Russian business.  Call me out on my prediction.  I've been observing politics for over 35 years and I know how both parties act.  Republicans unfortunately tend to cave to Democratic demands but if the shoe was on the other foot, the Democrats would hold firm.

If that happens we'll know without anyone having to be called out. My personal politics are a smorgasbord of different philosophies I've sampled for almost as long as you, and I will eat crow if I'm wrong if you pledge to do the same. Deal?

And just to show there are no hard feelings, I agree with your review of The Battle of the Bulge. It was pure fiction, but Bronson was at his usual unappreciated best, Telly Savalas was delightfully, yet poignantly over the top, and Mike Pence dominated the movie as Colonel Hessler.

K_Dubb

Quote from: albrecht on March 03, 2017, 12:58:37 AM
From his version (and bringing thread back to Trump and his politics!) Odin, and the other gods, decide they need a WALL!

Hahaha yes and, in a desperate attempt to crest that mighty wall after swallowing the mead of poetry, Odin, in the form of an eagle, shat out some, giving breath to the race of inferior poets, among whom I number myself!  I was, in fact, pooped on by an eagle last summer, and the recollection gives me no end of poetic delight.

albrecht

Quote from: K_Dubb on March 03, 2017, 01:04:55 AM
Hahaha yes and, in a desperate attempt to crest that mighty wall after swallowing the mead of poetry, Odin, in the form of an eagle, shat out some, giving breath to the race of inferior poets, among whom I number myself!  I was, in fact, pooped on by an eagle last summer, and the recollection gives me no end of poetic delight.
You are no inferior poet but I do like the reference. Such good stuff. So glad it is getting to a wider audience by his book etc (looking him up I guess he is quite popular for other stuff.)

albrecht

Quote from: 21st Century Man on March 03, 2017, 01:01:46 AM
Love it!!  ;D
Were that I was on twitter or facebook I would be hashing, or whatever, that section of the tale. Things don't change but many don't like history, or tales of the past, even though they apply today.

K_Dubb

Quote from: albrecht on March 03, 2017, 01:07:23 AM
You are no inferior poet but I do like the reference. Such good stuff. So glad it is getting to a wider audience by his book etc (looking him up I guess he is quite popular for other stuff.)

Thanks, but by his standards I don't even rate.  I tried my hand at his alliterative verse, in English with its huge vocabulary which you think would help, and quickly gave up.  Sonnets might as well be limericks as far as he is concerned.

Meister_000

Quote from: Yorkshire Pud on March 02, 2017, 11:51:19 PM
He does have a skin. Trump is a deluded, mentally ill, narcissist. He also has nuclear weapons at his disposal. So yeah, I have a say. As do 7 billion other people.

re "Skin in the game" - does Pud have.
Also, (supporting you here Pud), there are deep links between the Far Right Nationalist interests the world over, particularly between the UK and US. Billionaire Robert Mercer and his Analitics. Co. for example, was mega involved in Britain's Brexit goings-on, he was also Trumps largest contributor, and a huge backer of Britebart/Bannon etc. Very similar things have recently (and are still) going on in Britain but/and are far worse in the U.S. This is an international problem (far right nationalism and it's low-intellect user base). and is a joint (global) effort to combat. I recon that Pud is doing (major) volunteer charitable Humanitarian Assistance/Aid work here at Bellgab. I would give Pud a Humanitarian Service medal if I could, seriously. So I say; Thank You Yorkshire Pud, publicly.

Meister

Dr. MD MD

Quote from: Meister_000 on March 03, 2017, 01:22:12 AM

re "Skin in the game" - does Pud have.
Also, supporting you here Pud, there are deep links between the Far Right Nationalist interests the world over, particularly between the UK and US. Billionaire Robert Mercer and his Analitics. Co. for example, was mega involved in Britain's Brexit goings-on, he was also Trumps largest contributor, and a huge backer of Britebart/Bannon etc. Very similar things have recently (and are still) going on in Britain but/and are far worse in the U.S. This is an international problem (far right nationalism and it's low-intellect user base). and is a joint (global) effort to combat. I recon that Pud is doing (major) volunteer charitable Humanitarian Assistance/Aid work here at Bellgab. I would give Pud a Humanitarian Service medal if I could, seriously. So I say; Thank You Yorkshire Pud, publicly.

Please, move to Europe!  ::)

Meister_000

Quote from: Dr. MD MD on March 03, 2017, 01:23:17 AM
Please, move to Europe!  ::)


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