Malaysian Air MH17 crash

[FightTheFuture]

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[Kelt]

I thought Obama was a Muslim.  Are there many Mulsim Communists?

[FightTheFuture]

I thought Obama was a Muslim.  Are there many Mulsim Communists?

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Есть много мусульман, симпатизирующие "нашем пути"

[Yorkshire pud]

I thought Obama was a Muslim.  Are there many Mulsim Communists?

Stop getting facts involved. It only muddies idiotic conjecture.

[Kelt]

Stop getting facts involved. It only muddies idiotic conjecture.

Please don't call people who believe this about Obama 'idiots'. They're entitled to their well-considered opinions.

He's an Atheist, Muslim, Communist... all at the same time.


http://youtu.be/VOb7UCRUASA

[Yorkshire pud]

Please don't call people who believe this about Obama 'idiots'. They're entitled to their well-considered opinions.

He's an Atheist, Muslim, Communist... all at the same time.


http://youtu.be/VOb7UCRUASA

I couldn't press play: her hair scared me enough.  Did she do any of that learnin sheeat?

[FightTheFuture]

Please don't call people who believe this about Obama 'idiots'. They're entitled to their well-considered opinions.

He's an Atheist, Muslim, Communist... all at the same time.


http://youtu.be/VOb7UCRUASA

And let`s not forget this proud voter:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Y5Dck2jiMY

[Kelt]

I couldn't press play: her hair scared me enough.  Did she do any of that learnin sheeat?

Book lurnin?

Book lurnin, I think you'll find, is for libtards and atheists.

So no.

Too busy tinting her hair to match her shirt.

[albrecht]

I thought Obama was a Muslim.  Are there many Mulsim Communists?

Arguably there haven't been many 'pure' any isms when put into practice. I think Obama is more of a Nassar type. Muslim but with socialist politics. Though more radical than Nassar. Not 'pure' enough for the Islamist radicals he supports, like ISIS or Muslim Brotherhood, and not 'pure' Marxist enough for the more hardcore leftists. Both of whom will support him, especially over other people but aren't happy with him because he doesn't go far enough.

[Yorkshire pud]

Arguably there haven't been many 'pure' any isms when put into practice. I think Obama is more of a Nassar type. Muslim but with socialist politics. Though more radical than Nassar. Not 'pure' enough for the Islamist radicals he supports, like ISIS or Muslim Brotherhood, and not 'pure' Marxist enough for the more hardcore leftists. Both of whom will support him, especially over other people but aren't happy with him because he doesn't go far enough.

Erm, what?

[albrecht]

Erm, what?

Nasser? Sadat? ASU? Egypt's leader a few decades ago? Any bells ringing? Just one of many example of leftist but still Islamic leader, but not radical enough for the 'purists' of both groups. Even the various Baathist parties started with a socialist bent yet also claimed Islam.

[Yorkshire pud]

Nassar? ASU? Egypt's leader a few decades ago? Any bells ringing?

yeah, I know who he was, but the rest lost me..it's okay.

[albrecht]

yeah, I know who he was, but the rest lost me..it's okay.

It was posited that there couldnt be a communist and a Muslim. And I said true but in reality there aren't many pure "isms" in the real world. Even the Muhammedan ISIS leader was wearing a fancy wristwatch. So I use example of ASU and the Baathist parties of socialist, yet Islamic, movements. And think Obama is similar, socialism with an Muslim face. But, as with Sadat etc, not radical enough on either side for the pure, fundamentalists of either ilk.

[Uncle Duke]

I thought Obama was a Muslim.  Are there many Mulsim Communists?

Originally yes, just as there were many Jewish communists.  Jews and Muslims alike throughout Tsarist Russia became Bolsheviks during/after the revolution to rid themselves of the Imperial family and its historical persecution of both religions. 

How about Christian Communists?  Yes, including Vladimir Putin.

[Uncle Duke]

Nasser? Sadat? ASU? Egypt's leader a few decades ago? Any bells ringing? Just one of many example of leftist but still Islamic leader, but not radical enough for the 'purists' of both groups. Even the various Baathist parties started with a socialist bent yet also claimed Islam.

In fairness, many of the Arab Muslim leaders of the past fifty years (Nasser, Hussein, Quadaffi, Assad) were/are at best secular Muslims.  They were/are strong nationalists who only reverted to invoking Islam when threatened from outside the faith.  Nasser's famous speech to his people at the beginning of the 1956 Suez Crisis illustrates this point very well.

Ironically, Stalin did the same thing with Christianity in WWII, invoking Orthodoxy to save Mother Russia from the Fascists.

[Kelt]

Arguably there haven't been many 'pure' any isms when put into practice. I think Obama is more of a Nassar type. Muslim but with socialist politics. Though more radical than Nassar. Not 'pure' enough for the Islamist radicals he supports, like ISIS or Muslim Brotherhood, and not 'pure' Marxist enough for the more hardcore leftists. Both of whom will support him, especially over other people but aren't happy with him because he doesn't go far enough.

I had a hard time understanding your point, to be fair, so I may be missing something.

As it stands I'll place that response in the 'Truther' pile.

[albrecht]

I had a hard time understanding your point, to be fair, so I may be missing something.

As it stands I'll place that response in the 'Truther' pile.

As I pointed out there were plenty of leftist Muslims in history and political parties based on that. But they weren't "fundamentalist" enough leftists or "fundamentalist" Muslims for many of the people in the region (why Sadat was assassinated by the Egyptian Islamic Jihad.) So Obama could be a Muslim and a socialist. But the far-far left and the "fundamentalist" Muslims would support him initially (because he is better than the other candidates) but eventually turn on him, as we see already.

[Yorkshire pud]

It was posited that there couldnt be a communist and a Muslim. And I said true but in reality there aren't many pure "isms" in the real world. Even the Muhammedan ISIS leader was wearing a fancy wristwatch. So I use example of ASU and the Baathist parties of socialist, yet Islamic, movements. And think Obama is similar, socialism with an Muslim face. But, as with Sadat etc, not radical enough on either side for the pure, fundamentalists of either ilk.

Oh I see. Oh in that case I just disagree. Obama isn't a socialist. Not even close.

[Yorkshire pud]

As I pointed out there were plenty of leftist Muslims in history and political parties based on that. But they weren't "fundamentalist" enough leftists or "fundamentalist" Muslims for many of the people in the region (why Sadat was assassinated by the Egyptian Islamic Jihad.) So Obama could be a Muslim and a socialist. But the far-far left and the "fundamentalist" Muslims would support him initially (because he is better than the other candidates) but eventually turn on him, as we see already.

Muslims follow a capitalist philosophy. They also follow a philosophy of women not being of the same stature as men (on several levels)..Neither is compatible with socialism. Absolutely not with Communism. The Jewish faith follows the same philosophy with capitalism, and orthodox Jewish women live separately from men during menstruation. Again, not compatible with either socialism or Communism. 

[albrecht]

Muslims follow a capitalist philosophy. They also follow a philosophy of women not being of the same stature as men (on several levels)..Neither is compatible with socialism. Absolutely not with Communism. The Jewish faith follows the same philosophy with capitalism, and orthodox Jewish women live separately from men during menstruation. Again, not compatible with either socialism or Communism.

As I said before there have been very few, if any, pure communities, economies, or even people of any "ism" on earth, in particular on a medium or large scale. There are many branches of socialism and communism also. Or how to get there. How could pure Islam handle capitalism when you can't even have a graven image? There goes marketing and advertising? You can't have interest. There goes finance. (Actually fairly close to original interpretation of Christianity and Catholicism. Recall during the Reformation how Catholic churches had their faces smashed in? Or the ban on interest by the Catholics?)

Obama is more like Hillary Clinton, socialist but a little more radical- but not as radical, at least in practice, as his mentors and friends. He, like Clinton, is more Fabian style. By pragmatic, slow, incrementalism. Not some armed conflict in which capitalists get their throat cut and the proletariat seizes power but by infecting the system and attacking it from within, slowly by regulation, attacking the culture (Gramsci theories), influencing what is taught in schools, and by the media. Picking key corporations and people and give them advantage by regulatory capture in exchange for their political support. Short-term very, very willing to use Wall St and rich folks. (Capitalism will hang itself eventually, after all.) Obama might have some Muslim sympathies but more from nostalgia from his bizarre upbringing but, more importantly, for very pragmatic reasons. Immigration of Muslims into Europe, UK, and the USA, support for radical Islam (like his support for ISIS and "Arab Springs"), the open-borders, etc are necessary (in his mind) not so much to spread Islam, or even to help poor immigrants, but to help undermine Western culture (he would likely call it Western-European Cultural Hegemony.)

[WildCard]

(Capitalism will hang itself eventually, after all.)

?
My sarcasm detector is broke.
Irregardless,  the distinction between corporatism and capitalism that SciFi and/or Paper Boy made is important.

[Juan]

You people are silly.  Mr. Obama is obviously a liberal - defined as someone who holds two or more contradictory ideas within his head and believes the combination results in utopia for himself and his rich friends.

[Yorkshire pud]

You people are silly.  Mr. Obama is obviously a liberal - defined as someone who holds two or more contradictory ideas within his head and believes the combination results in utopia for himself and his rich friends.

Is that philosophical or political? Yes, you can be one or the other or both.

[Chaim]

I was wondering why there's no topic about this important event here.
So lets start it here, and give your take on what happened and who is behind it all.


Putin's Presidential Plane -vs- Malaysian Air

some interesting articles:
http://mashable.com/2014/07/22/russia-mh17-plane-evidence/
http://kennysideshow.blogspot.co.at/2014/07/false-flag-over-ukraine-and-israels.html

Apparently Putin's plane was flying over Ukraine only half an hour later. So there's speculation it could have been an assassination attempt, but are the Ukrainians really that stupid? Who knows.

[jazmunda]

http://bellgab.com/index.php/topic,6408.0.html

[Yorkshire pud]

Other than there's no need to reproduce the undignified image of dead bodies the rest of your post is crap. Have you ever tried critical thinking once in a while?

[Chaim]

My take on this is: the whole Ukraine situation is a planned Op by western Intelligence.
Right from the "Maidan revolution" up to the shooting down of this plane.

Concerning the plane itself, I believe the CIA and Ukraine as their pet either shot it down themselves, or deliberately directed the plane over the Freedom Fighters' area - which is a known warzone since months where several military planes have been shot down already - then the Ukrainians flanked the civilian airliner with their Sukhois to attract Anti-Air measures and got away again.
Military planes obviously have incoming missile warnings unlike civilian planes...
There's even reports that the Ukrainian planes were bombing targets and were using the civilian plane for "cover".
In any case this situation was obviously planned by the US in order to hurt Russia and the relationship with the European Union.

P.S. ok thanks for the link, maybe MV wants to merge the threads. I searched for MH17 and didn't find anything relevant.
Edit: that other thread seems to talk more about how Obama is a commie. maybe better to start a new one.

[Chaim]

Other than there's no need to reproduce the undignified image of dead bodies the rest of your post is crap. Have you ever tried critical thinking once in a while?

sorry buddy, it's reality. and what does that have to do with critical thinking? please spare me your crocodile tears BS. US news is often showing much more bloddy stuff.

[Yorkshire pud]

Yes I can see how you'd think all that, but you're restricted because you're a) an idiot b) you get your info from CT websites, and c) you haven't a clue what you're talking about.

Other than that you might be taken seriously.

[Yorkshire pud]

sorry buddy, it's reality. and what does that have to do with critical thinking? please spare me your crocodile tears BS. US news is often showing much more bloddy stuff.

Does it mean I agree they show it? You'd be kicking off if they were your family members.