Justin Trudeau continues his one man cringe brigade.

[WOTR]

It's a joke, eh? 

Yeah... Last night broke my sense of humour... I promise not to wish any more Clintons on your nation.   

[Dr. MD MD]

Yeah... Last night broke my sense of humour... I promise not to wish any more Clintons on your nation.   

Good cuz Hillary already thinks you’re a Russian.

[Dr. MD MD]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QexG91Rc5PE

Moly doesn’t look impressed.

[WOTR]

Conservatives won 34% of the popular vote while Liberals won 33%. Is Canada a republic too now?

I don't know if you followed it. Basically, the west (at least Alberta and Saskatchewan) elected the Conservatives by a huge margin. I think the highest I saw was one riding with 85% conservative, and around 5-7% each for the other parties.

This meant that you had a huge number of people voting Conservative, but it made no difference to the number of representatives sent to Ottawa. I'm not certain- but I suppose we could become known as a banana republic rather than a democracy. We have a prime minister who has broken the conflict of interest act. Not only will he not apologize- but he says he is proud to have done so. This does not bode well for the future.

[Dr. MD MD]

I don't know if you followed it. Basically, the west (at least Alberta and Saskatchewan) elected the Conservatives by a huge margin. I think the highest I saw was one riding with 85% conservative, and around 5-7% each for the other parties.

This meant that you had a huge number of people voting Conservative, but it made no difference to the number of representatives sent to Ottawa. I'm not certain- but I suppose we could become known as a banana republic rather than a democracy. We have a prime minister who has broken the conflict of interest act. Not only will he not apologize- but he says he is proud to have done so. This does not bode well for the future.

Yep, and in Quebec they elected the seperatist party. A country literally ready to break apart at both ends. Leaving what? 2 provinces in the middle? That’ll be quite the country. Maybe then you’ll be ready to become states of our fair country.

[Dr. MD MD]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8X3Jh2jAnPQ

[Kidnostad3]

Yep, and in Quebec they elected the seperatist party. A country literally ready to break apart at both ends. Leaving what? 2 provinces in the middle? That’ll be quite the country. Maybe then you’ll be ready to become states of our fair country.

Maybe we could trade them New York City and Washington, D.C. for Alberta, Saskatchewan and a bale of beaver pelts.  Okay, if they balk at the beaver pelts we'll throw in Seattle and San Francisco. 

[Dr. MD MD]

Maybe we could trade them New York City and Washington, D.C. for Alberta, Saskatchewan and a bale of beaver pelts.  Okay, if they balk at the beaver pelts we'll throw in Seattle and San Francisco.

Fair dinkum, mate!

[WOTR]

Yep, and in Quebec they elected the seperatist party. A country literally ready to break apart at both ends. Leaving what? 2 provinces in the middle? That’ll be quite the country. Maybe then you’ll be ready to become states of our fair country.

TL;DR version- I do not have an answer.

There has been talk in Alberta for awhile (among people who would want to separate) that joining America would make sense. Just today I heard an ex-politician say "I would rather Trump than Trudeau." But that is amazingly short sighted. What happens in four years? You people came surprisingly close to electing Hillary...

The leftist nutcases are gaining traction in the USA. To leave Canada knowing that the likes of Ortiz and Sanders are waiting to redistrubute wealth with the whole "green plan" shutting down any resource based prosperous economy just does not seem to be a good idea with too much risk. I understand that they will likely not pull it off right now- but the very idea would not even have been floated publicly until a few years ago.

I understand that most of you are sane. I understand that Sanders has his support concentrated in the "nutty" parts of the US. However, the problem is that he has support. The problem is that while Trump may be attempting to drain the swamp, you have other snakes slithering in.

Where does that leave us? If not join the USA, can we "go it alone?" It would seem doubtful. Yes, we would be richer, in theory. But Canada will not allow pipelines. So we continue selling to the USA at a highly discounted rate as they are our only customer and we are captive.

Then we have the question of currency, boarders, defense (granted, being surrounded by Canada and the USA puts us in a good position to not have to worry as much about external threats.) Alberta would have to negotiate trade deals. Trump (rightfully) would be taking advantage of a fairly weak "new" nation in negotiations. And we would lose out and ship massive amounts of wealth to the USA instead of Ottawa... And we are back where we started as the red-headed step child with no real power, no real influence and ready to be beaten by a massive central government who is free to ignore our wishes while they rob us blind.

Being as this is Bellgab, I will just say it. We will be bent over and raped repeatedly without lube or even a "thank-you" after every fucking. We already have that.

I have not seriously thought about this for quite some time. It used to be that joining the USA was a path that I thought might make sense. With the shifting political landscape it gives me pause. (yes, I recognize that everybody is going more left- but that is what Alberta rejected this election.)

In short, I will admit that I have not given it serious enough thought recently to have a valid opinion. But I don't see the status quo being a way forward for us.

*I hope this is not seen as a "rejection" of America, as that is not how I intend it. But even Kidnostad seems to have recognized in his post that you have "problem" areas of the USA- and they are highly populated, influential, morally and fiscally bankrupt areas. I love what Canada was "supposed" to be- and I even love what America is "supposed" to be. But both are slowly drifting off into dangerous territory.

[Dr. MD MD]

TL;DR version- I do not have an answer.

There has been talk in Alberta for awhile (among people who would want to separate) that joining America would make sense. Just today I heard an ex-politician say "I would rather Trump than Trudeau." But that is amazingly short sighted. What happens if four years? You people came surprisingly close to electing Hillary...

The leftist nutcases are gaining traction in the USA. To leave Canada knowing that the likes of Ortiz and Sanders are waiting to redistrubute wealth with the whole "green plan" shutting down any resource based prosperous economy just does not seem to be a good idea with too much risk. I understand that they will likely not pull it off right now- but the very idea would not even have been floated publicly until a few years ago.

I understand that most of you are sane. I understand that Sanders has his support concentrated in the "nutty" parts of the US. However, the problem is that he has support. The problem is that while Trump may be attempting to drain the swamp, you have other snakes slithering in.

Where does that leave us? If not join the USA, can we "go it alone?" It would seem doubtful. Yes, we would be richer, in theory. But Canada will not allow pipelines. So we continue selling to the USA at a highly discounted rate as they are our only customer and we are captive.

Then we have the question of currency, boarders, defense (granted, being surrounded by Canada and the USA puts us in a good position to not have to worry as much about external threats.) Alberta would have to negotiate trade deals. Trump (rightfully) would be taking advantage of a fairly weak "new" nation in negotiations. And we would lose out and ship massive amounts of wealth to the USA instead of Ottawa... And we are back where we started...

I have not seriously thought about this for quite some time. It used to be that joining the USA was a path that I thought might make sense. With the shifting political landscape it give me pause. (yes, I recognize that everybody is going more left- but that is what Alberta rejected this election.)

In short, I will admit that I have not given it serious enough thought recently to have a valid opinion. But I don't see the status quo being a way forward for us.

*I hope this is not seen as a "rejection" of America, as that is not how I intend it. But even Kidnostad seems to have recognized in his post that you have "problem" areas of the USA- and they are highly populated, influential, morally and fiscally bankrupt areas. I love what Canada was "supposed" to be- and I even love what America is "supposed" to be. But both are slowly drifting off into dangerous territory.

Everyone is not going left. It just seems that way because many are still swayed by the MSM, who are undoubtedly leftists. Regardless of whether or not Canada becomes a part of our great nation I do think it’s time for you to seperate from Great Britain and become your own constitutional republic now. That would go a long way to disillusioning your countrymen to the idea that “everyone” is moving to the left now. However, before that you’re going to have to do something about your immigration problem. Tru-dumb took you from a nation of 30 million to a county of 37 million. BTW, those extra 7 million don’t give a shit about you, your values and will vote Liberal again. Good luck!

[WOTR]

Everyone is not going left. It just seems that way because many are still swayed by the MSM, who are undoubtedly leftists. Regardless of whether or not Canada becomes a part of our great nation I do think it’s time for you to seperate from Great Britain and become your own constitutional republic now. That would go a long way to disillusioning your countrymen to the idea that “everyone” is moving to the left now. However, before that you’re going to have to do something about your immigration problem. Tru-dumb took you from a nation of 30 million to a county of 37 million. BTW, those extra 7 million don’t give a shit about you, your values and will vote Liberal again. Good luck!

That was not really how I had intended it. I realize that not everybody is going left- but the left is continuing to attract quite a lot of voters. And where the left of a few decades ago held "traditional" liberal values, that is quickly changing and they are getting hijacked by extreme elements (albeit, the right can be as well.)

The problem is that the left is shifting closer to a socialist movement (Singh of the NDP was using outright communist terms while campaigning. And during his speech after the election the crowd burst into a rousing chant of "tax the rich.")

I don't see things changing. You mention immigration, and with the NDP and Liberals holding power, I predict that we open the boarder even more. And the conservatives will not say a thing as they don't want to have a "racist" label hung on them for next election. The only party that will go against it will be the separatist BQ party form Quebec (oh, the irony.)

*Also, please realize that I am not saying that it would not be best for Alberta to join America. The biggest problem is that we feel ignored in a country of 37 million because we have no real voice in government. I cannot imagine what it would be like in a country of 329 million.

We would have 4 million people- just over 1% of the population which means virtually no representation. I just cannot see how this works out for us. I know you have a different structure where states are supposed to have more rights and it is not the same as Canada. But as things stand, I cannot see how this does not end in disaster for Alberta where we continue to feel ignored and we over contribute to a central system with very little benefit to us.

(As I said, it is going to take time to look at alternatives and ideas to actually see what would make sense. In the mean time, I will likely be posting contradictory thoughts and statements...)

[WOTR]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8X3Jh2jAnPQ

I'm sorry. But he is mistaken. Yes, Trudeau has a minority government. But that has NOT "hamstrung him. He is correct that Trudeau will have to work with others to get anything done. The problem is that the NDP and Liberals together have enough seats to pass any legislation they want- and the NDP is farther left than the Liberals (by a lot.)

Both parties campaigned for a "national pharmacare" program. Yes, that means that the tax payer will buy all prescription drugs in this country costing billions annually. I expect this to be among the first things passed.

Both parties promised to spend more building "social housing." I expect to see this.

Both parties want more gun control. I think this will not be quite as extreme as they want it because the don't want to alienate that many people. But I expect that they will allow cities like Toronto to ban handguns.

Both parties were talking about giving Canadians up to $100,000 to buy their first home (supposedly to be paid back when the house is sold. But imagining that the house is not sold for at least 15 years... Suddenly the government has tens of billions out in loans with no interest and contributing to our debt and deficits.)

He is mistaken. It is NOT an "OK result." The "punishment" of the Liberals will be more damaging to Canada (fiscally) than returning them to power with a majority government would be. It is the equivalent of saying that Obama needed Bernie Sanders to back him in order to push any legislation. It is a very bad thing that will lead to disastrous compromises pushing this country far more left than it has ever been. This election result does not really punish the Liberals. It punishes Canadians and future generations who will be burdened with a two party communist / socialist government pushing the most extreme agendas and trying to out compete each other for the leftist vote.

*I'm done my rant for this evening...

[ItsOver]

I'm sorry. But he is mistaken. Yes, Trudeau has a minority government. But that has NOT "hamstrung him. He is correct that Trudeau will have to work with others to get anything done. The problem is that the NDP and Liberals together have enough seats to pass any legislation they want- and the NDP is farther left than the Liberals (by a lot.)

Both parties campaigned for a "national pharmacare" program. Yes, that means that the tax payer will buy all prescription drugs in this country costing billions annually. I expect this to be among the first things passed.

Both parties promised to spend more building "social housing." I expect to see this.

Both parties want more gun control. I think this will not be quite as extreme as they want it because the don't want to alienate that many people. But I expect that they will allow cities like Toronto to ban handguns.

Both parties were talking about giving Canadians up to $100,000 to buy their first home (supposedly to be paid back when the house is sold. But imagining that the house is not sold for at least 15 years... Suddenly the government has tens of billions out in loans with no interest and contributing to our debt and deficits.)

He is mistaken. It is NOT an "OK result." The "punishment" of the Liberals will be more damaging to Canada (fiscally) than returning them to power with a majority government would be. It is the equivalent of saying that Obama needed Bernie Sanders to back him in order to push any legislation. It is a very bad thing that will lead to disastrous compromises pushing this country far more left than it has ever been. This election result does not really punish the Liberals. It punishes Canadians and future generations who will be burdened with a two party communist / socialist government pushing the most extreme agendas and trying to out compete each other for the leftist vote.

*I'm done my rant for this evening...

Wow.  Sounds like fun.  With the direction this is going, they also need to add a border wall to their plans to keep Canadians at home.

[DanTSX]

Viva Quebec! Viva Quebec Libre!

[DanTSX]

Quebec future Independent ethnostate.


Brush up on your French boys.

[ACE of CLUBS]

The French:  They talk with their hands, and fuck with their faces . . . . truly a dead twig on the tree of life.
Stop all Transfer/Equalization payments . . . . end of the French problem.

[Hog]

I remember a French trip where we Upper Canadians taking French in high school would travel for one week to the various ski resorts in Quebec.  It was more about scoring pot. I scored a $20 gram of pot and bought a CAN$0.99 corncob pipe.  My friends and I could later be found all huddled under the exhaust fan in the bathroom where we passed the corncob pipe.  We looked like complete fucking idiots, the people with me took teeny little hits and some of them didnt even get any smoke. When it came to me I admit, I got a bit greedy, but $20 was a lot of money, esp. seeing that these days I cans core 7 grams(we call it a quarter-for quarter oz.) of the strongest shit that's made, for sure over 20% THC for CAN$40 in 2019 dollars.  So I took a couple monster draws and then proceeded to sit on the front steps of the hotel in downtown Quebec City until I could once again form words.   Man was I stoned.

Anyhoo a couple days before, on the bus ride from SW Ontario to Quebec (8-10 hours).
At a McDonalds our Greyhound bus stopped at a service station well inside Quebec. When it was my turn I said "Hello" to the cashier to which she responded "Bonjour!" then covered her microphone and whispered to me as she leaned over the counter "I'm sorree, I cannot speak anglais with you as I might be fired."
So I ordered my Big Mac Meal in French.
This was in the 90's, just before the big referendum of whether or not that Quebec was gong to separate from Canada or not.  And all Quebec employees were to speak French only under threat of persecution. Almost 25 years on, I can see how much of a big serving of bullshit that was.
I've always wanted Quebec to separate, it would make my trips out East to Prince Edward Island about 4 hours shorter.

peace
Hog

[Dr. MD MD]

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[Dr. MD MD]

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[pate]

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