Should MV ban neonazis/antisemites?

[analog kid]

Including my father, who took pictures. I saw them before I was old enough to know what I was looking at. But I remember them.

Yeah, they documented it well with lots of photos and video, and there's lots of good documentaries out there where they talk about the things they encountered and experienced.

[mikuthing01]

Here is my only statement on this absurd topic.

Overwhelming evidence of Holocaust = doesn't believe.

Zero scientific evidence of demons = is firm believer and whines about bellgab not providing him a safe space.

There is no overwhelming evidence

There is no scientific evidence of anything paranormal so why do you waste your time listening to art bell?

I don't even like bellgab i used to be a fan of art bell and it was the only reason i joined. There are a few decent people here like 21st Century Man and a few others then there are some cunts. I really don't care what anyone here thinks of me MV can ban me if he don't like my posts.

[Richard Groyper]

I believe that too i just don't believe the official story.

Fair enough. I also believe when people have that kind of power, they will do horrible things, because they can. It appears to be human nature. The Nazis did great things that were also terrible. Unfortunately we as rational humans want to distance ourselves from their crimes. As if, we, could never repeat such actions.

[Sandra Kristen]

There is no overwhelming evidence

There is no scientific evidence of anything paranormal so why do you waste your time listening to art bell?

I don't even like bellgab i used to be a fan of art bell and it was the only reason i joined. There are a few decent people here like 21st Century Man and a few others then there are some cunts. I really don't care what anyone here thinks of me MV can ban me if he don't like my posts.

I am here to laugh at the absurdity of people of people like Richard C. Hoagland (Peace Be Upon Him). Everyone knows I only listen for the crazy so I can laugh at it.

But, please, if you don't like bellgab leave. No one is going to miss you. Go back to 4chan where you can masturbate to demon anime porn in peace.

[nbirnes]

Yeah, they documented it well with lots of photos and video, and there's lots of good documentaries out there where they talk about the things they encountered and experienced.

The enormous scope of what I saw is what haunts me to this day. My father was not a professional, but had a darkroom and loved the hobby of photography. His photos were clear. Crystal clear. I thought it was laundry being processed. The stark whiteness of it. It wasn't. It was bodies.

It doesn't matter if you believe or don't believe. What matters is what we do next. Even here.

[Lilith]

The enormous scope of what I saw is what haunts me to this day. My father was not a professional, but had a darkroom and loved the hobby of photography. His photos were clear. Crystal clear. I thought it was laundry being processed. The stark whiteness of it. It wasn't. It was bodies.

It doesn't matter if you believe or don't believe. What matters is what we do next. Even here.

What would you like to see happen here next Nancy?  What would be your first choice to make what we do next, the right thing?

You may have some things in mind I haven't thought of, but I see three possibilities so far.

1) We could continue with free and open speech and allow the conversation.

2) We could ask for the conversation to be ended, and stay right where we are right now indefinitely.

3) We could demand that people who don't agree with us, lie to us, so as not to offend our sensibilities.

I hope people have some other suggestions that I could add to my selection, but with the above three possibilities being the ones I see in front of me right now, I would select number 1. I believe in uncontrolled  conversation, even while I realize that conversation, including the thoughts and beliefs of people are not under my control. I also realize I can be absolutely certain about something, while being absolutely wrong. Two different people can look at the same thing, and what they each tell you they saw, can be two entirely different things.

[TheMan WhoFell ToEarth]

I believe that too i just don't believe the official story.

Don't you know you're on the wrong side of history?

Here is my only statement on this absurd topic.

Overwhelming evidence of Holocaust = doesn't believe.

Zero scientific evidence of demons = is firm believer and whines about bellgab not providing him a safe space.

The title of this thread is "Censor people I disagree with."

You'd have to believe that our soldiers, who saw and documented it themselves, have been lying for 70 years.

Except I believe the holocaust happened. I do struggle to believe though the Nazis managed to herd and exterminate 6 million jews in the space of 4 years while engaged in a massive war on two fronts. That's 4000 people a day. Not killed in war, actively executed batch by batch and somehow magically disposed of. Concentration camps existed, jews were killed, it was bad. But it's not all we've been told it was. It's a great bargaining chip though, which is still being used to the point no one can attempt to have an honest conversation about it, even now 70 years later, without becoming the target of vitriol. Holocaust denial is a term geared towards dismissing offhand who are really holocaust questioners.

There's also far more fake stories out there about the holoaust than there are real ones. The list of ridiculous accounts of what the Nazis did is a laundry list of victimhood fantasies. They dumped us in pits of acid, they had conveyor belts hauling people into ovens, people were melting to the floor in the gas chambers, Mengele was cutting fetuses out of womens bellies and throwing them into open fires. Give me a break. I refuse to accept the narrative that the Nazis were cartoon villains. We can talk about atrocity without demeaning it. And people are caught lying about it all the time. One woman claims when she was put in the gas chamber by a miracle of god water came out instead and she was saved. I don't blame anyone for questioning the holocaust when they hear garbage like this.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLkKCZ_x-9Y

This dude was just caught lying about ever having been in Auschwitz.

http://forward.com/news/breaking-news/343590/pennsylvania-man-admits-he-lied-about-being-an-auschwitz-survivor/

It's too bad nobody has the same passion to discuss the many more millions of people killed by our ally Stalin.

[Lilith]

The title of this thread is "Censor people I disagree with."

Exactly.

PS: I'm glad you fell to Earth.  I hope you didn't break anything.

[TheMan WhoFell ToEarth]

What would you like to see happen here next Nancy?  What would be your first choice to make what we do next, the right thing?

You may have some things in mind I haven't thought of, but I see three possibilities so far.

1) We could continue with free and open speech and allow the conversation.

2) We could ask for the conversation to be ended, and stay right where we are right now indefinitely.

3) We could demand that people who don't agree with us, lie to us, so as not to offend our sensibilities.

I hope people have some other suggestions that I could add to my selection, but with the above three possibilities being the ones I see in front of me right now, I would select number 1. I believe in uncontrolled  conversation, even while I realize that conversation, including the thoughts and beliefs of people are not under my control. I also realize I can be absolutely certain about something, while being absolutely wrong. Two different people can look at the same thing, and what they each tell you they saw, can be two entirely different things.

You're a good woman, Brig. Let people say what they want, and nobody will stop you from saying what you want right back. People don't seem to realize the more you tell others they can't do this, can't think that, can't say this, can't be that, more will be driven to those things out of curiosity, rebellion, or flat out spite. Between one side trying to think and make a point and another demanding they be shut down, I know which side I'll take every time.

[nbirnes]

What would you like to see happen here next Nancy?  What would be your first choice to make what we do next, the right thing?

You may have some things in mind I haven't thought of, but I see three possibilities so far.

1) We could continue with free and open speech and allow the conversation.

2) We could ask for the conversation to be ended, and stay right where we are right now indefinitely.

3) We could demand that people who don't agree with us, lie to us, so as not to offend our sensibilities.

I hope people have some other suggestions that I could add to my selection, but with the above three possibilities being the ones I see in front of me right now, I would select number 1. I believe in uncontrolled  conversation, even while I realize that conversation, including the thoughts and beliefs of people are not under my control. I also realize I can be absolutely certain about something, while being absolutely wrong. Two different people can look at the same thing, and what they each tell you they saw, can be two entirely different things.

My choice is #1, with a bullet!

It's a matter of numbers. I'm hoping there are more thoughtful people than creepers here on BG.

[TheMan WhoFell ToEarth]

Exactly.

PS: I'm glad you fell to Earth.  I hope you didn't break anything.

What the fall didn't do, life has taken care of. 

[Lilith]

My choice is #1, with a bullet!

It's a matter of numbers. I'm hoping there are more thoughtful people than creepers here on BG.

Nothing worth doing right, is ever easy.

[Lilith]

What the fall didn't do, life has taken care of. 

I can relate to that!

[ItsOver]

Fair enough. I also believe when people have that kind of power, they will do horrible things, because they can. It appears to be human nature. The Nazis did great things that were also terrible. Unfortunately we as rational humans want to distance ourselves from their crimes. As if, we, could never repeat such actions.

That's exactly why we should NEVER distance ourselves from such atrocities.  It has happened time and again.  Witness Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge.  We must be ever vigilant, realizing it CAN happen again, anywhere.

[Richard Groyper]

That's exactly why we should NEVER distance ourselves from such atrocities.  It has happened time and again.  Witness Pol Pot and the Kyhmer Rouge.  We must be ever vigilant, realizing it CAN happen again, anywhere.

I totally agree. We humans are still slaves to our animal instincts.

"Madness as you know, is like gravity all it takes is a little push"

[TheMan WhoFell ToEarth]

Which is exactly why it's so dangerous to replace the reality and the nuance of history with caricature driven by emotion.

[mikuthing01]

That's exactly why we should NEVER distance ourselves from such atrocities.  It has happened time and again.  Witness Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge.  We must be ever vigilant, realizing it CAN happen again, anywhere.

Like in Palestine?

[Richard Groyper]

Which is exactly why it's so dangerous to replace the reality and the nuance of history with caricature driven by emotion.

I agree. I think the Jewish people, religion, culture, have a clear grievance regarding the Holocaust. However, countless  atrocities have occurred to every race. The Jews do not own a monopoly on suffering. Suffering is by default the human condition. It's easy to manipulate the masses. Point your finger at an easy target and blame them for all of societies ails. Easy. Just a little..push.

[Richard Groyper]

Like in Palestine?

Please, elaborate?

[norland2424]

I agree. I think the Jewish people, religion, culture have a clear grievance regarding the Holocaust. However, countless  atrocities have occurred to every race. The Jews do not own a monopoly on suffering. Suffering is by default the human condition. It's easy to manipulate the masses. Point your finger at an easy target and blame them for all of societies ails. Easy. Just a little..push.

You Mexicans took my jobs 

[Richard Groyper]

You Mexicans took my jobs 

Yes, but are the Mexicans blamed for ALL of societies ails? No.

Heh, I'm Romanian.

[Value Of Pi]

I totally agree. We humans are still slaves to our animal instincts.

"Madness as you know, is like gravity all it takes is a little push"

Very well put, rekcuf. You got to the heart of the matter (you too, ItsOver). The reason these people are here is not just because they enjoy watching others being forced to step over piles of dogshit in order to follow a thread. It's because they are trying to give people "a little push."

Not recognizing the danger of facilitating that agenda makes the average free speech absolutist a convenient and useful, if unknowing, collaborationist. People always wonder with Germany in the 1920s and 1930s how they got from where they were to what they became. The simple answer is that too many well-meaning people let it happen. Let it happen.

So that's the bottom line choice. To recognize the threat and do what you can to negate it. Or try to ignore it and thereby facilitate it. Debate and conversation don't even enter the picture, because you will rarely if ever get Nazis and anti-Semites to question their beliefs.

Also, in any effort to protect the innocent and uninformed from being infected with the madness rekcuf speaks of, the bad guys will often win the battle. That's why you can't ever give them a foothold.

[norland2424]

Yes, but are the Mexicans blamed for ALL of societies ails? No.

Heh, I'm Romanian.

Vlad rekcuf " the implayer"

[TigerLily]

With this unnatural mixing -which God never intended- of shit posting and kumbaya I can't figure out who I'm supposed to hate anymore

[starrmtn001]

With this unnatural mixing -which God never intended- of shit posting and kumbaya I can't figure out who I'm supposed to hate anymore

What the hell, love 'em all and let the shit-posters sort 'em out.

[Richard Groyper]

Very well put, rekcuf. You got to the heart of the matter (you too, ItsOver). The reason these people are here is not just because they enjoy watching others being forced to step over piles of dogshit in order to follow a thread. It's because they are trying to give people "a little push."

Not recognizing the danger of facilitating that agenda makes the average free speech absolutist a convenient and useful, if unknowing, collaborationist. People always wonder with Germany in the 1920s and 1930s how they got from where they were to what they became. The simple answer is that too many well-meaning people let it happen. Let it happen.

So that's the bottom line choice. To recognize the threat and do what you can to negate it. Or try to ignore it and thereby facilitate it. Debate and conversation don't even enter the picture, because you will rarely if ever get Nazis and anti-Semites to question their beliefs.

Also, in any effort to protect the innocent and uninformed from being infected with the madness rekcuf speaks of, the bad guys will often win the battle. That's why you can't ever give them a foothold.

Value of Pie, I agree with stopping bad ideas in their tracks. If we lived in a eutopia; not allowing bad ideas would be fine. Pie, unfortunately we don't live in such a place. Combating bad ideas with good ideas is the best option avaliable. In a bizarre paradoxic, being exposed to bad ideas is needed to remind us of past mistakes. Comfort leads to complacency.

[Dr. MD MD]

Yes, but are the Mexicans blamed for ALL of societies ails? No.

Heh, I'm Romanian.

You're an alien killing machine and so far you're the least fascistic Romanian I've encountered.  : 

[Richard Groyper]

Vlad rekcuf " the implayer"

Beware of the vampier!

[Value Of Pi]

With this unnatural mixing -which God never intended- of shit posting and kumbaya I can't figure out who I'm supposed to hate anymore

You're right, it's completely unnatural. In real life, outside of Internet forums, these two groups of people would never hang out in the same place. It might be MV's private little joke that he's managed to make that happen here. At least for now.

[aldousburbank]

Like in Palestine?

That Palestinian stuff never happened. Believe me. It didn't happen in a big way but it was made to seem like it did. Trust me. I have good brain and thoughts and I make sense more than those who live in ignorance of something happening that I know didn't happen.