Obama orders public schools to be perv-friendly

[21st Century Man]

You apparently haven't read the posts or the underlying Federal rule announcement.  I doubt many have a serious issue with shared toilet facilities as long as privacy is provided, but the new Obama edict includes any sex-specific facilities; i.e, locker rooms, changing rooms, and showers...all school activities, and also it bans offering a t-g option.  The edict is not for adults in a workplace or a govt building; its for all children at all publically funded schools in the USA. The "no one's being molested" argument is a red herring; the issue is the child's right to modesty and privacy, and to not to be forced into a situation that's in direct conflict with virtually every Western value or belief system.

Exactly!!!  Of course the  regs progs know nothing about modesty.  They have to throw everything in our face.

[VtaGeezer]

Yep. That is this character Obama's true enemy. People think that he is just after this country but his animosity and grudge goes much, much deeper. And he is not alone in the war but internal enemies, like him, are even more dangerous than the more visible, outside enemy.

I was going to say "all value systems in developed cultures" but I don't know if communal baths are still common in Japan.

[albrecht]

I was going to say "all value systems in developed cultures" but I don't know if communal baths are still common in Japan.

I'm not even saying that all nudity is sexual in nature (showers, at the beach, whatever, to each their own. Some cultures are more open and some are more restrictive about nudity.) If people really wanted to worry they would be more concerned about homosexuals in locker-rooms and gyms like that Hastert guy and all the stories you hear. But to FORCE things upon people from the Federal government and force not natural, or common things, but focus, always focus on the deviant or the weirder side of things (gender bending, cross-dressing, self "identifying", BLTWQ, etc which even Obama's OWN government agency says less than 3% of population.) To make these issues the almost sole focus of attention is bizarre. With the economic situation, wars, terrorism, and so many problems we have why this character Obama makes the various BLTWAQ issues he primary concern is, just, weird. Sure I get that he is trying to destroy the building blocks of society and hates Western Civilization and the country but I also think he might, if rumors are true, some weird personal motives also.

[Catsmile]

Ummm... So... Yeah where was my right to modesty and privacy when I was going to school?
Where I went to school Gym was a required class. Gym uniforms were also a requirement. We were made to "dress out" in our uniforms before gym class started, and at the end of class we were required to shower nude, no stalls just a dozen shower heads down each wall, then dry off and put our street clothes back on. Failure to dress out one day would automatically deduct a letter grade for the day, an A becomes a B. Failure to shower one day automatically deduct a letter grade. Refuse to shower automatic F for the year. Refuse to dress out and shower get a 0 (zero) for the year. We could have refused to comply, at the expense of our GPA. The take away, obviously if you want to increase your chances of getting into a better college, you need to get naked and wet with the herd. DUH!

On another note I was looking to do some deviant lewd acts today, because bored. Wheeled into Wal-Mart, because you know Wal-Mart, amirite?!  Got in the place, was all wound up and ready to go... THEN! There they were, signs! Frigin' bloody plastic signs! THOSE CRAFTY BASTARDS!!1 My delicious plans to engage in some glorious lewd deviant acts foiled again! Soon my day will come. Just wait, you will see. Once Mr. Obama tears down all those signs, I'll be free to commit lewd acts in bathrooms all over 'Merica.  (loosens corset, grabs smelling salts) :

[VtaGeezer]

To make these issues the almost sole focus of attention is bizarre. With the economic situation, wars, terrorism, and so many problems we have why this character Obama makes the various BLTWAQ issues he primary concern is, just, weird.

No deep analysis necessary.  This was done to lock-in vast sums collected from gays by gay bundlers for the Dems to push their agenda. I think also shows a bit of WH panic that Trump may win that's forcing their hand to issue such edicts prematurely in hope the dust settles before the Fall.  The question for the Clinton campaign may not be beating Trump's campaign; it may be beating the coming torrent of Obama's last minute social edicts restructuring Western morality.

[Catsmile]

Yep. That is this character Obama's true enemy. People think that he is just after this country but his animosity and grudge goes much, much deeper. And he is not alone in the war but internal enemies, like him, are even more dangerous than the more visible, outside enemy.

Ah, it's back. "this character Obama's"

Dude, just say nigger, I can respect that moar than lame code words. And save me all of your long winded justifications for using the term "this/that character." Seriously just say nigger, it will save on a lot of typing. Yes, yes; nao you will type "this/that character" for others to show you use the term equally all the tiem for others.

Heck I'm not so wild about that nigger being the White House, but at least he keeps his pants up in public, and hasn't put spinner rims on Air Force One... yet.   

[21st Century Man]

Ah, it's back. "this character Obama's"

Dude, just say nigger, I can respect that moar than lame code words. And save me all of your long winded justifications for using the term "this/that character." Seriously just say nigger, it will save on a lot of typing. Yes, yes; nao you will type "this/that character" for others to show you use the term equally all the tiem for others.

Heck I'm not so wild about that nigger being the White House, but at least he keeps his pants up in public, and hasn't put spinner rims on Air Force One... yet.   

[albrecht]

Ah, it's back. "this character Obama's"

Dude, just say nigger, I can respect that moar than lame code words. And save me all of your long winded justifications for using the term "this/that character." Seriously just say nigger, it will save on a lot of typing. Yes, yes; nao you will type "this/that character" for others to show you use the term equally all the tiem for others.

Heck I'm not so wild about that nigger being the White House, but at least he keeps his pants up in public, and hasn't put spinner rims on Air Force One... yet.   

I don't use that term in general but I use this "character" in relation to Obama, or whatever name he is using this decade, purposefully- because that is what he is, a weird, mysterious, almost Hollywood-esque production "character" of which we have no documentation, details, or history. A made-up "character" to fit a "narrative" (which is what the government and politicians use now) that could take advantage of the zeitgeist of the moment to get elected (political correctness, white guilt, wanting to "be a part of history," and so forth. Not to say the Bush wars and bailout economy didn't help this "character" along also.) The only criticism I have about his race is that because he promotes himself as "black" (not mulatto or half-white, etc) allows him to do far more damage "fundamental transformation" to the country, after all his stated goal, because he is often allowed, lest one be called "racist" for opposing him. I don't think an all-white guy would be able to get away with his stuff, because of the identity politics foisted upon us by the leftists.

[21st Century Man]

I don't use that term in general but I use this "character" in relation to Obama, or whatever name he is using this decade, purposefully- because that is what he is, a weird, mysterious, almost Hollywood-esque production "character" of which we have no documentation, details, or history. A made-up "character" to fit a "narrative" (which is what the government and politicians use now) that could take advantage of the zeitgeist of the moment to get elected (political correctness, white guilt, wanting to "be a part of history," and so forth. Not to say the Bush wars and bailout economy didn't help this "character" along also.) The only criticism I have about his race is that because he promotes himself as "black" (not mulatto or half-white, etc) allows him to do far more damage "fundamental transformation" to the country, after all his stated goal, because he is often allowed, lest one be called "racist" for opposing him. I don't think an all-white guy would be able to get away with his stuff, because of the identity politics foisted upon us by the leftists.

It's not about him being black at all.  Its the wacko leftist ideology he pushes.  I would have loved to see Herman Cain in the White House but unfortunately the media killed his campaign.

[Catsmile]

No deep analysis necessary.  This was done to lock-in vast sums collected from gays by gay bundlers for the Dems to push their agenda. I think also shows a bit of WH panic that Trump may win that's forcing their hand to issue such edicts prematurely in hope the dust settles before the Fall.  The question for the Clinton campaign may not be beating Trump's campaign; it may be beating the coming torrent of Obama's last minute social edicts restructuring Western morality.

Let me get this straight...
Gays have an agenda to go into the opposite sexes bathrooms? Restructuring Western morality?

Where the hell do you people live? I've lived in America all my life, and I've seen people use the opposite sex bathrooms in public all the time, here, in America. I know shocking, right. Somehow It didn't seem to shift Western morality one bit, however it did liberate a necessary bodily function one American at a time. A sign has never stopped me from going into the Mens or Womens room to use the bathroom, however I do go into the proper restroom whenever possible. It's a sign not a law where I live. Other states may be different.   

[Robert]

The Obama Admin ordered today that cross dressers and wannabee pervs shall be allowed to use the public school restrooms and locker rooms in which they feel comfie.  Not quite the force of law, but they'll use Title 9 Fed fund allocation as the hammer.  It's astonishing how a microsliver of emotional freaks in society have wrapped the liberal establishment around their little finger in scarcely a decade to accommodate the culture of f'ing pervs.  I suppose giving the pervs their own facilities would be discriminatory.  The arrogance of the order is breathtaking.

Its arrogance of form is bad enough, but its arrogance of substance is breathtaking.  He's deliberately using that microsliver as a shiv to ram it to everybody else just for show -- a whopping big fuck-you-all.

I've thought of a way the pain might be minimized -- arrange with the thus-affected persons to have special toilet & changing times during which they can have the room to themselves, taking the incentive away from the fakers.  Since the number of such persons is vanishingly small and then won't be augmented by fakers, there'll be hardly any effect.  Most institutions will never have such a person therein.

The whole phenomenon of gender dysphoria bemuses me.  Even the trend today to substitute the word "gender" as a euphemism for "sex" everywhere winds up chasing its own tail.  Are they different, or are they the same?  I say they're different, although sex in many contexts can be taken as a subset of gender, but that since gender is arbitrary it ought never to be a concern.

I'd like to see the evidence of a personality's being trapped in the "wrong"-sexed body.  How could anyone ever be said to be of the "wrong" sex when only a few biologic details are gnomonic of sex?  I can understand there being persons of anatomically ambiguous sex, but not psychologically.

So what if many characteristics are sex-associated if none  of them are definitive?  Used to be the goal was to liberate male & female from the stereotypes.  Now what are "they" saying: that the stereotypes were "right" after all, and that one's "gender" should reflect the plurality of characteristics of a sex?  Even those characteristics which appear to be completely societally-based?  Why can't you just be atypical of your sex?

[albrecht]

It's not about him being black at all.  Its the wacko leftist ideology he pushes.  I would have loved to see Herman Cain in the White House but unfortunately the media killed his campaign.

I really liked Alan Keyes but too much for most people. Oddly enough he could've been the one to stop this character Obama but it was a bad decision to put him up in that Senate campaign- can you imagine if Ditka would've run or even if Obama's past or predilections, if all the rumors are true, came out like Jack Ryan's did? Obama would still be organizing the streets (what a great job he did! Chicago is so peaceful and successful in those neighborhoods!) and America's future would be so different. The world turns on such small things.

[21st Century Man]

Let me get this straight...
Gays have an agenda to go into the opposite sexes bathrooms? Restructuring Western morality?

Where the hell do you people live? I've lived in America all my life, and I've seen people use the opposite sex bathrooms in public all the time, here, in America. I know shocking, right. Somehow It didn't seem to shift Western morality one bit, however it did liberate a necessary bodily function one American at a time. A sign has never stopped me from going into the Mens or Womens room to use the bathroom, however I do go into the proper restroom whenever possible. It's a sign not a law where I live. Other states may be different.   

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Damn you must go to the bathroom in some very shady places. I agree that it would be nice not to have codified law about what bathroom we use but unfortunately the politicians have taken control of the process.  Plus there are pervs that should be prosecuted if caught loitering.

[GravitySucks]

Ummm... So... Yeah where was my right to modesty and privacy when I was going to school?
Where I went to school Gym was a required class. Gym uniforms were also a requirement. We were made to "dress out" in our uniforms before gym class started, and at the end of class we were required to shower nude, no stalls just a dozen shower heads down each wall, then dry off and put our street clothes back on. Failure to dress out one day would automatically deduct a letter grade for the day, an A becomes a B. Failure to shower one day automatically deduct a letter grade. Refuse to shower automatic F for the year. Refuse to dress out and shower get a 0 (zero) for the year. We could have refused to comply, at the expense of our GPA. The take away, obviously if you want to increase your chances of getting into a better college, you need to get naked and wet with the herd. DUH!

On another note I was looking to do some deviant lewd acts today, because bored. Wheeled into Wal-Mart, because you know Wal-Mart, amirite?!  Got in the place, was all wound up and ready to go... THEN! There they were, signs! Frigin' bloody plastic signs! THOSE CRAFTY BASTARDS!!1 My delicious plans to engage in some glorious lewd deviant acts foiled again! Soon my day will come. Just wait, you will see. Once Mr. Obama tears down all those signs, I'll be free to commit lewd acts in bathrooms all over 'Merica.  (loosens corset, grabs smelling salts) :

The high school I attended in the suburbs of Chicago (Proviso West) must have been one huge liberal social experiment in the early 70's. Freshman gym class consisted of 4-6 weeks of each major sport. When it came to swimming, we had to shower nude as a class before entering the pool area, have someone check to see that you were soaking wet as you entered the pool area, the entire swim class was done in the nude, including the diving, and then it was back to the showers to wash the chlorine off.

Female gym teachers would enter the pool area and chat with our gym teacher like it was no big deal.

There are long WTF discussions on this very subject on classmates.com. I never saw anyone actually come up with a valid answer to why. I was told at the time that it was to limit the amount of lint from swim trunks in the pool filtration system. Obvious bullshit.

[21st Century Man]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pex_ASYQPM

[Robert]

pedophiles need to be treated,

What treatment exists for it, and why does it merit the description "treatment"?

[Catsmile]

I'm not a racist, I'm a bigot. An equal opportunity bigot.
Most/all people are bigoted to some degree, they just deny it.

Thats the biggest difference between me and albrecht.
I know I'm a bigot, and aspire to do better with mixed results. Albrecht on the other hand is clueless to his boundless bigotry. Hez the forums unfunny Archy Bunker. 


Admitting you have a problem is the first step to recovery

[Catsmile]

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Damn you must go to the bathroom in some very shady places. I agree that it would be nice not to have codified law about what bathroom we use but unfortunately the politicians have taken control of the process.  Plus there are pervs that should be prosecuted if caught loitering.

I agree with you, a percentage of the well heeled ladies wearing pearls, and fur coats, with the gentlemen wearing suits/tuxes attending the symphony orchestra, and plays I've attended are probably shady. However the locations of the bathrooms during intermission were not located in a shady place. Again, where do you people live, and frequent where you've never seen someone use the opposite sex bathroom? It truly boggles the mind.

[WildCard]

Let me get this straight... 

[21st Century Man]

I agree with you, a percentage of the well heeled ladies wearing pearls, and fur coats, with the gentlemen wearing suits/tuxes attending the symphony orchestra, and plays I've attended are probably shady. However the locations of the bathrooms during intermission were not located in a shady place. Again, where do you people live, and frequent where you've never seen someone use the opposite sex bathroom? It truly boggles the mind.

I've been to the symphony, Broadway, sports complexes and have never seen it happen.  Well maybe one time. There was a huge line to the ladies restroom and none to the men's restroom and a lady took it upon herself to use the men's room but just the one time.

[Catsmile]

S/he must be hung better than they are, thats why they are so agog.
Sucks to be you when ladyboys are hung better.

[pyewacket]

Chicago Man Choked 8-Year-Old Girl in Restaurant Bathroom, Police Say

http://www.people.com/article/chicago-man-allegedly-chokes-girl-jasons-deli-bathroom?xid=socialflow_facebook_peoplemag

[mikuthing01]

oh won't you please take me home

[albrecht]

I've been to the symphony, Broadway, sports complexes and have never seen it happen.  Well maybe one time. There was a huge line to the ladies restroom and none to the men's restroom and a lady took it upon herself to use the men's room but just the one time.

I've seen it at some concerts, never at the symphony etc. But I've also seen, won't say I've done  , in emergency/over-crowded situations folks pissing in the sink etc at ballgames and concerts. Guys will piss anywhere. Some gals also but usually have more class and the logistics are a bit harder. Admittedly, some situations must be bad and I feel bad for females in some places because public facilities are often nasty. Unfortunately, one cannot, in reality, just "identify" and get over that fact. I guess this character Obama is going to demand that pissing in the sink or pissing in bottles and throwing them out the window (as truckers and laborers seem to do) must be mandated? The Ladies/Gentlemen toilet debates are so old. I think some places even enacted reforms (what was it Sweden who wanted only sit-down places once? Something like that. Now they have more real concerns, instead of where you can piss it is more about where will you be raped by a "refugee.")

[21st Century Man]

oh won't you please take me home

ROTFLMAO!!!!!

[Catsmile]

I've been to the symphony, Broadway, sports complexes and have never seen it happen.  Well maybe one time. There was a huge line to the ladies restroom and none to the men's restroom and a lady took it upon herself to use the men's room but just the one time.

One of us must be a special snowflake.

The end of Western morality as we know it, one squat at a tiem:

http://www.broadwayworld.com/board/readmessage.php?thread=1089055&page=1

http://www.valleynewslive.com/home/headlines/Woman-gets-kicked-out-of-FargoDome-for-using-mens-bathroom-378599846.html

http://www.nytimes.com/1996/09/08/magazine/bathroom-liberationists.html

[21st Century Man]

One of us must be a special snowflake.

The end of Western morality as we know it, one squat at a tiem:

My guess is those are places where alcohol is being served in heavy amounts.  Bars and clubs that sort of thing.  Maybe a concert but none of those people look like symphony or Broadway fans.  Yeah I saw your Broadway forum but that seems to be something that only happens rarely there.

[albrecht]

One of us must be a special snowflake.

The end of Western morality as we know it, one squat at a tiem:

http://www.broadwayworld.com/board/readmessage.php?thread=1089055&page=1

http://www.valleynewslive.com/home/headlines/Woman-gets-kicked-out-of-FargoDome-for-using-mens-bathroom-378599846.html

http://www.nytimes.com/1996/09/08/magazine/bathroom-liberationists.html

Aside from whatever voyeuristic pleasure or laughs you, or someone not to accuse you personally, might derive this is a good thing? This is what you wish for our country, our females? Call me elitist, racist, sexist or what have you but I don't like pissing or crapping everywhere is a good thing or using accommodation not specifically meant for the purpose is a good thing. If anything someone, even if she is an illegal that Obama caught-and-released, will have to clean it up. Use facilities proper for their purpose and for your gender and action (don't crap in a urinal, ladies. Or guys.) And guys, even if tempting, try to refrain from pissing in the sink.

[Catsmile]

My guess is those are places where alcohol is being served in heavy amounts.  Bars and clubs that sort of thing.  Maybe a concert but none of those people look like symphony or Broadway fans.  Yeah I saw your Broadway forum but that seems to be something that only happens rarely there.

For the record I despise using public restrooms clean or dirty. What gender someone is or identifies with is very low on my list of worries while using public comfort rooms.

I'd reckon most symphony and Broadway goers refrain from shooting pics of such occurrences. As to the frequency of using the "wrong" bathroom it doesn't occur the majority of the time, but it does occur on Broadway and other places, as the 3 links and 8 pictures point out. Yet the Western world didn't end, or miss a beat morality wise. I've seen it happen in shady to posh bathrooms, with and without alcohol being served. When ya gotta go, ya gotta go! Class or morals not withstanding.

Aside from whatever voyeuristic pleasure or laughs you, or someone not to accuse you personally, might derive this is a good thing? This is what you wish for our country, our females? Call me elitist, racist, sexist or what have you but I don't like pissing or crapping everywhere is a good thing or using accommodation not specifically meant for the purpose is a good thing. If anything someone, even if she is an illegal that Obama caught-and-released, will have to clean it up. Use facilities proper for their purpose and for your gender and action (don't crap in a urinal, ladies. Or guys.) And guys, even if tempting, try to refrain from pissing in the sink.

The pics & links posted were not intended to be for shock, voyeuristic, or comedic value. What anyone uses them for is a personal choice. The pics & links were posted to make valid points. Points being public cross gendered bathroom usages occurs, and has for a long time. Also to prove that what I've seen wasn't an isolated occurrence across shady and posh restrooms. Finally, muh 'Mericas class and morals didn't go down the toilet, so to speak.
 
People not pissing or shitting themselves in public, and disposing of bodily waste properly in a public toilet is always far more classy and morally superior to the public and private health than not; no matter ones gender real or imagined. It should never be against the law to use a public bathroom to eliminate bodily waste, just because you are the "wrong" gender. Yes it's a good thing to have access to modern toilets. Sure beats throwing it into the streets. Like was done in the days of yore, when America was great and morally superior... and classy. Throwing piss and shit into the streets is the epitome of class, right?

Herez some absurdist push back. Why stop at gender segregation? Lets bring back white only bathrooms. AMIRIGHT! 

[SciFiAuthor]

I read this thread wondering what I would do if I walked into a men's room and some chick was pissing in a urinal. I realized that I'd just go to another urinal and take a piss. If she tried to get a reaction, I'd call her a crazy bitch, wash my hands and leave.