Midnight In The Desert

[albrecht]

In fairness she is disabled. Hard to get a job when you have limitations. Also, at least she worked. A lot of people just collect government checks. I'm not going to put someone down for working.

What is her "disability?" She always talks about growing up on a ranch or some such and "fire-dancing" and witching (not sure she if she rides a broom) but all fairly active activities.

Tonight's guest is an "inner shift specialist." Whatever the heck that new-agey stuff is I won't be listening.

[theONE]

In fairness she is disabled. Hard to get a job when you have limitations. Also, at least she worked. A lot of people just collect government checks. I'm not going to put someone down for working.

but according to some rumours she did both -- collected gov cheque for her medical disability living in gov assisted housing section 8
and worked as a sex-phone worker at the same time

[onan]

but according to some rumours she did both -- collected gov cheque for her medical disability living in gov assisted housing section 8
and worked as a sex-phone worker at the same time

It is not illegal to work and collect disability. Many people are capable of working but are unable to work at a capacity of the average worker.

The simplest way to explain how earned income works in relation to disability is a simple 2 to 1 ratio. For every two dollars of income one dollar is taken away from disability income.

Like it or not many people that are on disability for legitimate reasons find it difficult to live, even meagerly, with only the income of a disability check. And getting disability, no matter how many horror stories you hear, isn't all that easy.

[pate]

I figured I would leave this hear:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecWLb6wMNDE

I think the universe may have spoken to me.

[theONE]

It is not illegal to work and collect disability. Many people are capable of working but are unable to work at a capacity of the average worker.

The simplest way to explain how earned income works in relation to disability is a simple 2 to 1 ratio. For every two dollars of income one dollar is taken away from disability income.

Like it or not many people that are on disability for legitimate reasons find it difficult to live, even meagerly, with only the income of a disability check. And getting disability, no matter how many horror stories you hear, isn't all that easy.

Thanx

[nooryisawesome]

but according to some rumours she did both -- collected gov cheque for her medical disability living in gov assisted housing section 8
and worked as a sex-phone worker at the same time

So, I believe she is actually disabled. She has had major issues with her stomach and nearly died. People on Bellgab will attack anything they can. Where are these rumors orginating? Or is it just stuff people make up on the internet? Also why does it matter?

[nooryisawesome]

It is not illegal to work and collect disability. Many people are capable of working but are unable to work at a capacity of the average worker.

The simplest way to explain how earned income works in relation to disability is a simple 2 to 1 ratio. For every two dollars of income one dollar is taken away from disability income.

Like it or not many people that are on disability for legitimate reasons find it difficult to live, even meagerly, with only the income of a disability check. And getting disability, no matter how many horror stories you hear, isn't all that easy.

Indeed, like the handicapped Walmart greeters. I appreciate the fact they are working and not laying around the house plotting ways to get housekeepers to come clean their pig sty they are to lazy to clean.

[albrecht]

It is not illegal to work and collect disability. Many people are capable of working but are unable to work at a capacity of the average worker.

The simplest way to explain how earned income works in relation to disability is a simple 2 to 1 ratio. For every two dollars of income one dollar is taken away from disability income.

Like it or not many people that are on disability for legitimate reasons find it difficult to live, even meagerly, with only the income of a disability check. And getting disability, no matter how many horror stories you hear, isn't all that easy.

I think there is a difference between SSI and SS Disability and Section-8 etc? I like the idea of disabled people working to their ability (except in cases of labor abuse) but even if it simple things or very part-time and still subsidizes for their living via those programs. Let's them have some pride, be in the community versus being shut-ins, get activity, etc. Sure, there is an argument that laws allowing cheaper pay for those jobs might displace other workers but I'd rather them doing it than out-sourcing it to illegals. And while I sort of agree that maybe the "sub-minimum wage" stuff is questionable (and why I said labor abuse earlier.) But we already do similar things with quotas on certain government contracts and SBA loans for certain businesses for social policy reasons.

I know you work with them but I only know/n 2 people on SSI. One friend of mine went blind from a degenerative disease and got it quickly but somehow also got a salary from work for a few years? (He had some contract or the government? I'm not sure, they seconded him to do the business's "charity" work for United Way on his hours but still had investments in real estate (maybe operated in a trust?) And another who was diagnosed bi-polar and pre-dementia and got quick with help of a lawyer who specializes in the system. (Still was allowed full % government pension per a previous divorce settlement? I don't know details, lawyers handled it but it was quick.) Easy in both cases. But not typical as both had friends, family, companies who helped them through the process or had "inside" connections. Some would argue that is a type of fraud, at least in spirit? I don't know. I known people who got divorced due to SS and tax reasons when one went into Alzheimer's or incapacitated or to maximize "benefits" (I think they changed that loop-hole?)

[nooryisawesome]

I think there is a difference between SSI and SS Disability and Section-8 etc? I like the idea of disabled people working to their ability (except in cases of labor abuse) but even if it simple things or very part-time and still subsidizes for their living via those programs. Let's them have some pride, be in the community versus being shut-ins, get activity, etc. Sure, there is an argument that laws allowing cheaper pay for those jobs might displace other workers but I'd rather them doing it than out-sourcing it to illegals. And while I sort of agree that maybe the "sub-minimum wage" stuff is questionable (and why I said labor abuse earlier.) But we already do similar things with quotas on certain government contracts and SBA loans for certain businesses for social policy reasons.

I know you work with them but I only know/n 2 people on SSI. One friend of mine went blind from a degenerative disease and got it quickly but somehow also got a salary from work for a few years? (He had some contract or the government? I'm not sure, they seconded him to do the business's "charity" work for United Way on his hours but still had investments in real estate (maybe operated in a trust?) And another who was diagnosed bi-polar and pre-dementia and got quick with help of a lawyer who specializes in the system. (Still was allowed full % government pension per a previous divorce settlement? I don't know details, lawyers handled it but it was quick.) Easy in both cases. But not typical as both had friends, family, companies who helped them through the process or had "inside" connections. Some would argue that is a type of fraud, at least in spirit? I don't know. I known people who got divorced due to SS and tax reasons when one went into Alzheimer's or incapacitated or to maximize "benefits" (I think they changed that loop-hole?)

Laws are silly. I think most people would argue people who have disabilities who want to work shouldn't be taken to the cleaners or discouraged from working.

I am technically disabled with cancer, but I work 40+ hours a week. There really should be more protections in place for those who are disabled, even the FMLA law is completely inadequate.

[albrecht]

Laws are silly. I think most people would argue people who have disabilities who want to work shouldn't be taken to the cleaners or discouraged from working.

I am technically disabled with cancer, but I work 40+ hours a week. There really should be more protections in place for those who are disabled, even the FMLA law is completely inadequate.

Yeah. But it is complex deal. I wish you the best. I had a close friend with cancer, and due to the crazyness of our system(s,) he was told that it was better to be uninsured than the policy he had to get the chemo! Sure enough he filed it that way and the State/Charities paid and he would tell me where he went weekly (at a crazy cost) most people couldn't speak English. Also that there was a shortage in one of the drugs they used--- why? Because the company found it more profitable to make an erectile dysfunction drug and took some productions lines down for that!! Health issues aside, if someone is capable of working 40+ hours at a job and perform/compete at a level with "non disabled" people than they should do so and not get extra $ because they aren't disabled. Laws on time out for treatment etc are fine. But if they can't and are really disabled I don't mind subsidies or company breaks to hire them. But again, via a process, fraud protection, labor protection, audits, etc.

[theONE]

So, I believe she is actually disabled. She has had major issues with her stomach and nearly died. People on Bellgab will attack anything they can. Where are these rumors orginating? Or is it just stuff people make up on the internet? Also why does it matter?

Exactly right, exactly the same as when (Redacted) Heather Wade was attacking George Noory or Alex Jones even to the point of wishing them 
to commit suicide or have an heart attack on air or to die .
Did you get upset when she was posting that evil crap -or did you crawl under your computer and said nothing because that was (Redacted)
and you with many here were just plain cowards 

Why does it matter -??, why what Clinton did or said in the past matters, I tell you why, because evil people need to be exposed
and point it at -right now Heather WADE  is pretending to be nice loving sweet person but the truth about her personality
is totally different.

She is a deceiver and a back stabber.... [take it to the bank]



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[onan]

Exactly right, exactly the same as when (Redacted) Heather Wade was attacking George Noory or Alex Jones even to the point of wishing them 
to commit suicide or have an heart attack on air or to die .
Did you get upset when she was posting that evil crap -or did you crawl under your computer and said nothing because that was (Redacted)
and you with many here were just plain cowards 

Why does it matter -??, why what Clinton did or said in the past matters, I tell you why, because evil people need to be exposed
and point it at -right now Heather WADE  is pretending to be nice loving sweet person but the truth about her personality
is totally different.

She is a deceiver and a back stabber.... [take it to the bank]

Is this an example of Christian forgiveness or judge not, lest ye be judged? I'm not sure.

[nooryisawesome]

Yeah. But it is complex deal. I wish you the best. I had a close friend with cancer, and due to the crazyness of our system(s,) he was told that it was better to be uninsured than the policy he had to get the chemo! Sure enough he filed it that way and the State/Charities paid and he would tell me where he went weekly (at a crazy cost) most people couldn't speak English. Also that there was a shortage in one of the drugs they used--- why? Because the company found it more profitable to make an erectile dysfunction drug and took some productions lines down for that!! Health issues aside, if someone is capable of working 40+ hours at a job and perform/compete at a level with "non disabled" people than they should do so and not get extra $ because they aren't disabled. Laws on time out for treatment etc are fine. But if they can't and are really disabled I don't mind subsidies or company breaks to hire them. But again, via a process, fraud protection, labor protection, audits, etc.

The laws on treatment are not fine. They are way overly pro-business. I could go into more detail but it was a real nightmare with a previous employer I had. No employee I am aware of is getting extra $$$ due to cancer or other disabilities. Having to take time off, travel cost, medical cost, etc really adds up. There is very little incentive for disabled people to work.

[theONE]

Is this an example of Christian forgiveness or judge not, lest ye be judged? I'm not sure.

First of all that quote "judge not, lest ye be judged" is totally misused and twisted in it's original meaning, and you are
doing also...with your logic in that case we should forgive Hillry or murders or whomever for their crimes

Just think about it if what you suggested makes any sense.

Secondly that quote was meant for not judging other persons level of faith in God,but some people took it out of
context to throw it back and hide under it and justify their way of doing things but in mean time they are braking God's Laws
and sinning...
-quite cleaver trick by the Devil-

[albrecht]

The laws on treatment are not fine. They are way overly pro-business. I could go into more detail but it was a real nightmare with a previous employer I had. No one I am aware of is getting extra $$$ due to cancer or other disabilities. Having to take time off, travel cost, medical cost, etc really adds up.

I meant "fine" in terms of if we made laws to allow for extra time-off, flexible schedules, etc for those who need medical treatment, not that current laws or company policies are "fine" in all cases. I've seen people "maximize" benefits via legal strategies, including divorce, trusts, putting assets in other's hands, property changing hands, etc. Again, if one (or family/connections) there are ways around the system, legally sometimes. Laws and regs always change though so, again, need "help."

ps: I guess nobody is listening to the "inner-shift" specialist show?

[nooryisawesome]

I meant "fine" in terms of if we made laws to allow for extra time-off, flexible schedules, etc for those who need medical treatment, not that current laws or company policies are "fine" in all cases. I've seen people "maximize" benefits via legal strategies, including divorce, trusts, putting assets in other's hands, property changing hands, etc. Again, if one (or family/connections) there are ways around the system, legally sometimes. Laws and regs always change though so, again, need "help."

Well then I agree. This is just one of many issues in which most logical people would agree needs reform yet nothing gets done.

I feel fraud is probably overstated. As most of these people doing these sort of things you mentioned probably have little money left after illness. There really should be a better system in place. I have a hard time faulting someone for taking advantage of the law. But it seems the current system doesn't help a lot of people who really need the help. Literally there are good people who chose between cancer medicine and food.

[onan]

First of all that quote "judge not, lest ye be judged" is totally misused and twisted in it's original meaning, and you are
doing also...with your logic in that case we should forgive Hillry or murders or whomever for their crimes

Just think about it if what you suggested makes any sense.

Secondly that quote was meant for not judging other persons level of faith in God,but some people took it out of
context to throw it back and hide under it and justify their way of doing things but in mean time they are braking God's Laws
and sinning...
-quite cleaver trick by the Devil-

You are so full of shit.

[theONE]

You are so full of shit.

what point you are thinking that is full of shit ?

[Donald Noory]

First of all that quote "judge not, lest ye be judged" is totally misused and twisted in it's original meaning, and you are
doing also...with your logic in that case we should forgive Hillry or murders or whomever for their crimes

Just think about it if what you suggested makes any sense.

Secondly that quote was meant for not judging other persons level of faith in God,but some people took it out of
context to throw it back and hide under it and justify their way of doing things but in mean time they are braking God's Laws
and sinning...
-quite cleaver trick by the Devil-

[theONE]

Hi Rabid Bitch

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[aldousburbank]

braking God's Laws
and sinning...

He's right you know... Everytime you use the brakes you are braking God's law of inertia. Fucking sinners.

[Donald Noory]

Hi Rabid Bitch

Hi yak fucker.

[pate]

He's right you know... Everytime you use the brakes you are braking God's law of inertia. Fucking sinners.

...sinning most vigorously...

[theONE]

Hi yak fucker. herder

[albrecht]

He's right you know... Everytime you use the brakes you are braking God's law of inertia. Fucking sinners.

Sometimes it is fun to try. I confess my sins. No accidents,  thankfully. But timing street lights, neutral to save gas, playing no clutch shifts, stupid races or 'race to next bar' bets, n even sometimes when a cool song came on driving eyes shut for a time solo as personal dare (rural and private road.) Stupid. Young. Don't encourage. Now I drive, like a spy or criminal. Aware, slow, with traffic speed, watch everything.  So much traffic and threats of drunks, illegals, frustrated or occupied drivers and Lance Armstrong wanna-bes.

[Donald Noory]

Sometimes it is fun to try. I confess my sins. No accidents,  thankfully. But timing street lights, neutral to save gas, playing no clutch shifts, stupid races or 'race to next bar' bets, n even sometimes when a cool song came on driving eyes shut for a time solo as personal dare (rural and private road.) Stupid. Young. Don't encourage. Now I drive, like a spy or criminal. Aware, slow, with traffic speed, watch everything.  So much traffic and threats of drunks, illegals, frustrated or occupied drivers and Lance Armstrong wanna-bes.

So you're that old guy driving 10 mph in the 35 zone, ahead of me?

[Mind Flayer Monk]

Don't stop believing, hold on to that feeling yaaaahh

[CornyCrow]

In fairness she is disabled. Hard to get a job when you have limitations. Also, at least she worked. A lot of people just collect government checks. I'm not going to put someone down for working.

Yes.  This phone sex operator is getting stale to me.  At least she brought in some income and it's not as though she was making physical contact.   It's not as though she just started doing it now.  It's in the past. 

[CornyCrow]

Exactly right, exactly the same as when (Redacted) Heather Wade was attacking George Noory or Alex Jones even to the point of wishing them 
to commit suicide or have an heart attack on air or to die .
Did you get upset when she was posting that evil crap -or did you crawl under your computer and said nothing because that was (Redacted)
and you with many here were just plain cowards 

Why does it matter -??, why what Clinton did or said in the past matters, I tell you why, because evil people need to be exposed
and point it at -right now Heather WADE  is pretending to be nice loving sweet person but the truth about her personality
is totally different.

She is a deceiver and a back stabber.... [take it to the bank]

The thing is, people change over time and situations do, as well.  Wade may have posted those things during a migraine.  She may have assessed the mood of the people on Bellgab and thought she could garner a following by getting a bit extreme.  This, for her, may be the job of a lifetime.  I venture that all here have, at one time or another, said something that we'd like to take back. 

[CornyCrow]

Is this an example of Christian forgiveness or judge not, lest ye be judged? I'm not sure.

Yeah.  I'm not even Christian, but I believe in redemption and forgiveness.