Midnight In The Desert

[pate]

I am not aware of anything in the current US space inventory that can get humans to AND back from the Moon.

That would be quite a few secrets.  The base, the craft to get there AND back, terrestrial launch sites for the craft (I assume rockets still would be used).

[Chronaut]

I don't know about Alien bases on the Moon, but it would not surprise me to find out that there is a secret human constructed base/station. 

Well, it would surprise me, but not the part about it being technologically feasible.

Here's where I get stuck on that idea:  how could we get that stuff to the Moon without the delivery craft being spotted by astronomers?  I mean, a Moon lander and a few guys took a rocket six stories taller than the Statue of Liberty.  How do you get an entire Moon base of girders, walls, piping, etc. to the Moon without somebody noticing?

[Ciardelo]

Here's where I get stuck on that idea:  how could we get that stuff to the Moon without the delivery craft being spotted by astronomers?  I mean, a Moon lander and a few guys took a rocket six stories taller than the Statue of Liberty.  How do you get an entire Moon base of girders, walls, piping, etc. to the Moon without somebody noticing?

Just do it at night on a new moon. It's a cinch.

[theONE]

yeah, very interesting experimenting I'm having tonight switching from "smart cat"George
to horrible*Heather -- listening to h*Heather is so painful in terms of how much energy she sucks
out when listening to her talking, her monologues, Heather's voice is soooo ...monotonous, dull,
no live to it, no any kind of excitement.

No, fuck you ART saying that Heather can get radio job any where now, she is that good.
You are lying ART , and you know it !!

I'm not saying that "smart cat"George is always interesting to listen to, but at least he has
energy in his voice, excitement, live, ....
Heather's voice is boring - death, no zest to it,
she can read traffic reports, maybe weather - but not proper radio host who can engage
listeners ,like You ART did even if the topic was boring ,
host's like Art and other top talents can engage audience, ...Heather is putting to sleep !!!

Heather is 40 years old, to late to learn now for her, she is just to old now to change.

[GravitySucks]

Here's where I get stuck on that idea:  how could we get that stuff to the Moon without the delivery craft being spotted by astronomers?  I mean, a Moon lander and a few guys took a rocket six stories taller than the Statue of Liberty.  How do you get an entire Moon base of girders, walls, piping, etc. to the Moon without somebody noticing?

3D printers and lots of regolith.

[Faustina]

Also, IMO, a radio station would have to be very desperate to hire her in her current role. With some training, she might be okay doing the traffic and weather or something similar, however.

ADDITIONAL THOUGHT:
Yes, Art did say affiliates were coming back on board. Mind you, however few or many, they're not paying for the show (much less offering to hire Heather away), there's little risk or commitment, and the one station he mentioned is a low-power, minor player so low on the dial, most people wouldn't know it's even there.

I found it interesting that he didn't know the number of terrestrial radio stations still on board with the show.  I bet he knows but doesn't want to state it because the number is embarrassingly low. 

[Chronaut]

Just do it at night on a new moon. It's a cinch.

The white-hot rocket exhaust might turn some heads...  So we'd have to postulate some kind of field propulsion device unknown to mainstream science, applied to implemented craft of either larger size or many in number, capable of lifting a lot of mass out of orbit and delivering it safely to the Moon, including some fairly heavy-duty construction equipment, technicians, living quarters and life support for all the workers...it just gets harder and harder to envision.  It almost seems more likely to be an alien and/or ancient abandoned base, than a modern human base, when you think about the scope of such an endeavor...

[pate]

Here's where I get stuck on that idea:  how could we get that stuff to the Moon without the delivery craft being spotted by astronomers?  I mean, a Moon lander and a few guys took a rocket six stories taller than the Statue of Liberty.  How do you get an entire Moon base of girders, walls, piping, etc. to the Moon without somebody noticing?

Yeah, I said as much in my next post up there at the top of this page.

Not to be that one jackwagon that quotes himself but:

blibity-blah top of this page barring any deletions of spam on previous pages blibity-blah

0)   (Cyclops smiley, engage!)

[theONE]

I found it interesting that he didn't know the number of terrestrial radio stations still on board with the show.  I bet he knows but doesn't want to state it because the number is embarrassingly low.

this is the truth !!!

[PB the Deplorable]

Here's where I get stuck on that idea:  how could we get that stuff to the Moon without the delivery craft being spotted by astronomers?  I mean, a Moon lander and a few guys took a rocket six stories taller than the Statue of Liberty.  How do you get an entire Moon base of girders, walls, piping, etc. to the Moon without somebody noticing?

Surely the answer is in the data

[Ciardelo]

The white-hot rocket exhaust might turn some heads...  So we'd have to postulate some kind of field propulsion device unknown to mainstream science, applied to implemented craft of either larger size or many in number, capable of lifting a lot of mass out of orbit and delivering it safely to the Moon, including some fairly heavy-duty construction equipment, technicians, living quarters and life support for all the workers...it just gets harder and harder to envision.  It almost seems more likely to be an alien and/or ancient abandoned base, than a modern human base, when you think about the scope of such an endeavor...

Yeah, I was just kidding...doubtful about the moon bases. This kind of show is nice if one can suspend disbelief. But it's a fun thing to think about

[Chronaut]

Yeah, I said as much in my next post up there at the top of this page.

Not to be that one jackwagon that quotes himself but:

0)   (Cyclops smiley, engage!)

Yeah I noticed that after I posted my response, but I won't be held accountable for wayward BellGabbers answering their own questions post facto, Daddio.  Also, what are you drinking?  I want some.

[GravitySucks]

The white-hot rocket exhaust might turn some heads...  So we'd have to postulate some kind of field propulsion device unknown to mainstream science, applied to implemented craft of either larger size or many in number, capable of lifting a lot of mass out of orbit and delivering it safely to the Moon, including some fairly heavy-duty construction equipment, technicians, living quarters and life support for all the workers...it just gets harder and harder to envision.  It almost seems more likely to be an alien and/or ancient abandoned base, than a modern human base, when you think about the scope of such an endeavor...

In 32 years of working as a NASA contractor for every major aerospace company and spending time at most of the NASA centers, I can say I never saw any evidence of such activity or base. I worked with or for people that had been in the programS back when NASA was NACA and no one ever spoke of such things.

Seems like there would be talk sometime somewhere.

[theONE]

I found it interesting that he didn't know the number of terrestrial radio stations still on board with the show.  I bet he knows but doesn't want to state it because the number is embarrassingly low.

few days ago I did check all the listed stations , aprx 50% of them had no more listing of
MITD in their show list.
I tune in to aprx 15 stations listed, and was no MITD, ...so ART is full of Heather's sweet shit

[pate]

You could put the base on the far side of the moon (never faces Earth), which is something 'they' want to do, mainly to obscure radio observatories from Earth based radio pollution for studying background Big Bang type radiation, etc.

As for the, terrestrial launch sites?  Surely there's some isolated spot on the globe (preferably near the Equator), where you could launch chemical rockets without them being noticed by too many people.

Still it is a lot to pull off, and you would almost need the gee-whiz alien reverse-engineered, or human innovated but highly highly secret craft that can get there on something other than a "pillar of flame"...

Hard to prove a negative though, ie hard to prove that these craft absolutely DO NOT exist.  So a small corner of my mind is kept open to the possibility, but the rest of my mind wants some sort of substantive proof.

[Chronaut]

Yeah, I was just kidding...doubtful about the moon bases. This kind of show is nice if one can suspend disbelief. But it's a fun thing to think about

Yeah I started off being somewhat facetious, but figured "what the hell" and ran with it anyway, because it is fun to think about.  Probably more fun to think about if one were in the US military looking at an essentially limitless budget and enough batshit crazy yet consummately capable defense contractors wiling to build whatever the fuck you want.

[pate]

Yeah I noticed that after I posted my response, but I won't be held accountable for wayward BellGabbers answering their own questions post facto, Daddio.  Also, what are you drinking?  I want some.

heh, Coca-Cola at the moment.  I am saving the Beam for James Burke later (want to start that one listening sober for sure, and drink accordingly as the potential Hoaxian meltdown dictates.)


Hit me up later, I'll buy you a shot!

Cheers!@

[SciFiAuthor]

heh, Coca-Cola at the moment.  I am saving the Beam for James Burke later (want to start that one listening sober for sure, and drink accordingly as the potential Hoaxian meltdown dictates.)

I'm actually excited for James Burke. Been a while since I've been excited for a Hoagland show.

[=Schlyder=]

LOL  another nutter.  Where do they find them all?

[GravitySucks]

heh, Coca-Cola at the moment.  I am saving the Beam for James Burke later (want to start that one listening sober for sure, and drink accordingly as the potential Hoaxian meltdown dictates.)


Hit me up later, I'll buy you a shot!

Cheers!@

How did the spam fried rice turn out?

[Chronaut]

In 32 years of working as a NASA contractor for every major aerospace company and spending time at most of the NASA centers, I can say I never saw any evidence of such activity or base. I worked with or for people that had been in the programS back when NASA was NACA and no one ever spoke of such things.

Seems like there would be talk sometime somewhere.

Yeah that too - we would never have been able to keep the Apollo program a secret...building a Moon base would be an operation akin to moving Rhode Island a few hundred miles.

That story about the technician at the NASA(?) photo lab being shown an alien base on the Moon is interesting though...I wonder if that was some kind of security operation...hmmm...

[Ciardelo]

Yeah I started off being somewhat facetious, but figured "what the hell" and ran with it anyway, because it is fun to think about.  Probably more fun to think about if one were in the US military looking at an essentially limitless budget and enough batshit crazy yet consummately capable defense contractors wiling to build whatever the fuck you want.

I much prefer to have fun listening to a show than coming back night after night to bitch about something. lol

It's just a fucking radio show. 

[Value Of Pi]

I found it interesting that he didn't know the number of terrestrial radio stations still on board with the show.  I bet he knows but doesn't want to state it because the number is embarrassingly low.

Yes, hard to believe that he wouldn't have a very good idea of the number. That was not very convincing.

[GravitySucks]

Yeah that too - we would never have been able to keep the Apollo program a secret...building a Moon base would be an operation akin to moving Rhode Island a few hundred miles.

That story about the technician at the NASA(?) photo lab being shown an alien base on the Moon is interesting though...I wonder if that was some kind of security operation...hmmm...

It might have been something as simple as trying to airbrush out one of the places that the Russians crashed their "probes" into in order to not provide them with photographic evidence of where their craft ended up. 

Just a thought.

Edit:  here is a list of all the lunar missions for any country. Note the number of failures.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_lunar_probes

[pate]

How did the spam fried rice turn out?

Best ever!  I need to talk to Art on the phone for every batch I make in the future.  It is my new recipe.

In 32 years of working as a NASA contractor for every major aerospace company and spending time at most of the NASA centers, I can say I never saw any evidence of such activity or base. I worked with or for people that had been in the programS back when NASA was NACA and no one ever spoke of such things.

Seems like there would be talk sometime somewhere.

Yeah, that would be a pretty good secret to keep.  And knowing the nature of secrecy, in that more than two people are incapable of keeping one.  Makes it a long stretch for sure.  Those would have to be two real science, mechanic bad-asses to have worked and toiled for however long to build the thing, AND keep it secret...

Maybe Hoaxland killed his partner after the MoonBase was completed?  I might be persuaded to believe that with something better than blurry photos for evidence.


Liking this caller.

[pate]

The whole premise with current known technology is a bit more believable if it is a one-way trip to the moon.  Less payload to orbit then to the moon if you don't have to worry about coming back.

Heck China just sent a one-way trip rover didn't they?

So it can be done "on the cheap" that way.

I'd sign up for a one-way trip to the Moon.  Hope they like Spam Fried Rice...

[(Sandman) Logan-5]

You could put the base on the far side of the moon (never faces Earth), which is something 'they' want to do, mainly to obscure radio observatories from Earth based radio pollution for studying background Big Bang type radiation, etc.

As for the, terrestrial launch sites?  Surely there's some isolated spot on the globe (preferably near the Equator), where you could launch chemical rockets without them being noticed by too many people.

Still it is a lot to pull off, and you would almost need the gee-whiz alien reverse-engineered, or human innovated but highly highly secret craft that can get there on something other than a "pillar of flame"...

Hard to prove a negative though, ie hard to prove that these craft absolutely DO NOT exist.  So a small corner of my mind is kept open to the possibility, but the rest of my mind wants some sort of substantive proof.

Listing of worldwide launch facilities.
http://www.spacetoday.org/Rockets/Spaceports/LaunchSites.html

[GravitySucks]

The whole premise with current known technology is a bit more believable if it is a one-way trip to the moon.  Less payload to orbit then to the moon if you don't have to worry about coming back.

Heck China just sent a one-way trip rover didn't they?

So it can be done "on the cheap" that way.

I'd sign up for a one-way trip to the Moon.  Hope they like Spam Fried Rice...

And if you designed it right, you could cook it for free during passage through the Van Allen belts.

[theONE]

 Heather , you just said that all life is valuable, ...but you just lied,... you like to see
George N. to die on the air,...so you are a liar Heather W. 

His life has no value for you,...right Heather ??

[pate]

And if you designed it right, you could cook it for free during passage through the Van Allen belts.

I would hide inside the water tank.  Coach Van Allen's belt was much feared back in Jr. High School...