Started by Falkie2013, December 12, 2015, 01:13:40 AM
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Quote from: Gassy Man on December 12, 2015, 05:34:26 PMSure. That's called a personal attack, or ad hominem. Anyone can childishly cuss and throw out insults, as you ably demonstrate. It's what we teach our students not to do because it's the last refuge of someone who has no reason, intelligence, or argument. So, no problem. You're just proving the case for me and why it's so important that those with an education make sure that those without don't keep taking the human race two steps back. If you want, I can post some of their responses after we meet again next week.Think of it this way: All you're doing is helping me to do my job better. I will not only be just as successful as I was before, but probably more so since the best you can do is prove my case for me. And whatever tantrum you throw, Heather is still not qualified for the job, too.
Quote from: Tarbaby on December 13, 2015, 06:11:29 AM gassy bag, you keep declaring "not qualified for the job". But it's an empty point. Have you heard the other dark matter programs? None of those gregarious goobers are the least bit qualified or professional not anywhere near as good as Heather. She's glib, she's intelligent, she's smooth. She asks excellent questions. Frankly, I like her style and abilities better than art's. There, I've said it. I suggest your "qnot qualified" banner is based, on direct observation but, rather, subjective ideation. ie, you assume she's not technically qualified therefore you imagine you see signs of it. This is an easy thing to do if you're not careful about objectivity.
Quote from: Tarbaby on December 13, 2015, 06:54:31 AMYes, but who should I be true to, the ones who say they love the emperors new clothes â€¦ or Heather? :-)
Quote from: deltalitprof on December 13, 2015, 07:07:43 AMGassy Man and the other one who made those erroneous markings in brackets [didn't bother to remember your nick]:An ad hominem attack seems to be whatever you guys think it is, not what it really is, an attack on the personal attributes of the arguer in lieu of a real response to the argument. You two believe the ad hom attack not only involves the person, but what the person has done in the past, especially if it has value in assessing what the person is saying today. Under your definitions, if I refuse to believe you because you have told repeated lies in the past, I am attacking you personally. If I say your repeated use of "logical fallacy" identification to shame people makes you look petty, I'm committing an ad hominem. I have judged you based on your past actions and I'm not to do it.So if I'm to act logically, I can't consider your past actions or statements. That's an ad hominem. I'm to be used as an example in these classes if I describe my thinking on bellgab.
Quote from: Gassy Man on December 13, 2015, 01:21:47 AMActually, it's a lot like trying to teach some college freshmen, especially ones who know very little, read very little, and learn very little, and yet are eminently convinced they are correct simply because they say so. They're almost always the ones to resort to logical fallacies like personal attacks, straw man, circular reasoning, begging the question, and hasty generalization. Even when you point out the problems, as well as resources they can consult, the response is usually the same: They're not the problem. You're the problem, their parents are the problem, society is the problem, their boss is the problem, life is the problem, and so on. Of course, they routinely fail at other things in life, too, but it's easier to blame than to face reality. It partially explains the high failure rate in both individual classes and graduation, as well as why some people -- often the most in denial about their own incompetence -- never go to college at all, under the pretense that they're "too smart for that" and don't need formal education. Age is not the issue, either. An 18-year-old's ignorance and hubris might make some sense, as perhaps they're too inexperienced in life to often know better. But we get them these days at 30, 40, 70, or whatever with the same attitude. There are people who earn their confidence through their accomplishments. And then there are just people who are confident, even if deep down (and sometimes not so deep), they are just reacting from insecurity. And that often motivates them to attack people who do know more.
Quote from: dan7800 on December 13, 2015, 07:42:30 AMShe was tossed into ONE show. Give her a chance.I am super stingy, and I am willing to pay $5 for the next month to give her a shot.All things considered (being tossed into the show, lousy guest etc.....), I think she did pretty well on Friday night.
Quote from: rekcuf on December 13, 2015, 11:24:12 AMI think her harshest critics would have to agree; the timing of her first show was bad. Real bad. However, she's not unknown audibly. She's co-hosted on the GabCast many times. That's why I believe I have license to be critical of her. I've heard her tone, demeanor, brevity, and so on. She's "Okay" at best. Heather should always want to be better. That's how professionalism works. If that makes me a hater, meh.
Quote from: onan on December 13, 2015, 11:29:39 AMCriticism is one thing, criticizing in an open forum is quite another. It is probably the least helpful way to guide someone. Critiques to help would more than likely come from professionals that are working with her. Whereas making the point that her voice isn't to one's liking does nothing helpful.
Quote from: rekcuf on December 13, 2015, 12:03:54 PM*translation* I don't like what you're saying, so stop saying it...I don't expect her to change anything because I posted it. This forum was created to bash Art's successor George Noory. She is now in the same position. The only difference now is; you're fond of her. She may become better than Noory. And I hope so for her sake. She's fair game. Anything else would be hypocritical.
Quote from: Gassy Man on December 12, 2015, 07:05:09 PMGoing to dinner now, and happy to enjoy spending some of that hard-earned money!
Quote from: Tarbaby on December 13, 2015, 06:11:29 AM gassy bag, you keep declaring "not qualified for the job". But it's an empty point. Have you heard the other dark matter programs? None of those gregarious goobers are the least bit qualified or professional not anywhere near as good as Heather. She's glib, she's intelligent, she's smooth. She asks excellent questions. Frankly, I like her style and abilities better than art's. There, I've said it. I suggest your "qnot qualified" banner is based, not on direct observation but, rather, subjective ideation. ie, you assume she's not technically qualified therefore you imagine you see signs of it. This is an easy thing to do if you're not careful about objectivity.
Quote from: BellBoy on December 13, 2015, 01:18:12 PMHi. I just found this thread and I don't really give two shits about either side of the "argument". It does strike me as quite hilarious, however, that you think acting like a pedantic asshat serves in any way to support your position. A competent orator knows when best to shut the fuck up and let the opposing side bury themselves in inconsistency, deceit and illusion.It was, apparently, more important for you, to put yourself forward as a pedantic asshat. Well done.Argumentum ad hominem, blah, blah, blah... No, simply an impartial observation. You sir, are an asshat. Ask any of your students.
Quote from: Gassy Man on December 13, 2015, 10:40:59 PMAnd getting back to the point at hand -- Heather is not yet a good broadcaster, not professional enough, not polished enough, and unlikely to last very long at the post. We'll see how long she lasts at it, but unless Art jumps back in to help, I don't see the show lasting very long, regardless of the limited support on this board.
Quote from: HumanBeing on December 13, 2015, 10:46:49 PMBut she has the genetic pedigree. Apparently her parents did radio for a long time and were quite good at it. So the concept is not foreign to her.I will tune in if the topic and/or guest is interesting to me. But that's basically how I listened to MITD anyways. Also, her voice is kind of creamy
Quote from: rekcuf on December 13, 2015, 10:54:41 PMShe needs to convince the non BellGab crowd. From what I remember, her co-host debut didn't go over so well with that audience. Art's giving her a shot. She has to execute. Being popular persona on BellGab isn't enough.
Quote from: testing101 on December 13, 2015, 10:41:35 PMHeather has sacrificed a lot and put her faith into this experiment. Try to be a kind group of human beings and give her a chance.
Quote from: trostol on December 13, 2015, 10:50:41 PMthe only criticism i had was..she reminded me too much of Lisa Garr with her..tone/cadence..just a touch too laid back sounding..i am sure thats just who she is which is fine but it's a touch..hard to listen to