Latest French Attacks: updates (in English)

[Eddie Coyle]

"The culture of victimhood"

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/robert-fisk-we-remain-blindfolded-about-isis-says-the-man-who-should-know-a6735426.html

   I think we need to dispense with the "Why do they hate us?" and just conclude "Yeah, they fuckin' hate us. Perhaps letting them in isn't a great idea"

    Every goddamn Muslim now thinks they're a displaced Palestinian.

[Uncle Duke]

   I think we need to dispense with the "Why do they hate us?" and just conclude "Yeah, they fuckin' hate us. Perhaps letting them in isn't a great idea"

    Every goddamn Muslim now thinks they're a displaced Palestinian.

OK it will never happen, but that deserves to be an upper right hand quote. 

[SciFiAuthor]

So, they were lying the last few times but now it's all real? I hope you understand my skepticism.

I don't know if they were lying the last few times, only that they were lying in 2003 with Iraq. But I'm not sure what there is to lie about with this one, we just had a massive horrific terrorist attack that ISIS claimed responsibility for and told us to expect more until we're all subjugated or dead whether we want to fight them or not. Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi has even gone so far as to refute that Islam is the religion of peace saying instead that it's the religion of fighting. They openly talk about conquering Rome due to a prophecy by Muhammad that said that the Muslims would some day conquer Constantinople (now Istanbul) and Rome. They've even put out a time table that stated that they would have Rome within five years. These guys are clearly expansionist and belligerent in that they've already been expanding.

That said, I'm not saying we go in right now. Just that if these terrorists attacks continue, we may have no choice. The world cannot allow itself to be destabilized by such a group.

[Dr. MD MD]

   I think we need to dispense with the "Why do they hate us?" and just conclude "Yeah, they fuckin' hate us. Perhaps letting them in isn't a great idea"

    Every goddamn Muslim now thinks they're a displaced Palestinian.

It's a big world with lots of different people in it. I think we're kidding ourselves if we think most immigrant come here because they believe in our ideals. They either see an economic opportunity or an opportunity to escape some sort of oppression but once they get here they'll still be who they are. In my country it's not just Muslims that have been buying up property and moving in. There are also plenty of Chinese and Indians and Filipinos too. We also got a bunch of Bosnians, Serbians and Romanians back in the early to mid 90s.  Hey, I wish white people stuck together the way a lot of other ethnic groups do but we just don't anymore. It's every man for himself with us unless it's some horrible Nazi-like organization dedicated to hating anyone who's not us. We're also not breeding much anymore compared to other ethnic groups. Even China recently allowed people to have a second child. So, in a few short decades we will be the minority, like it or not. It's like the rest of the world caught us slipping and now they're saying, "I'll have that, thank you." Can you blame them?

[VtaGeezer]

It's all about the oil infrastructure. France knows that to defeat ISIS, and Assad for that matter, Syria's oil infrastructure must go. Russia has a vested interest in keeping that oil infrastructure intact as well.

What's your logic? Syria's oil infrastructure is mostly pipelines from Iraq to Lebanese ports, most crossing what's now ISIS territory.  Syrian production is pretty feeble. 

[trostol]

know what makes me sad..that there are people that think this was a hoax

[SciFiAuthor]

What's your logic? Syria's oil infrastructure is mostly pipelines from Iraq to Lebanese ports, most crossing what's now ISIS territory.  Syrian production is pretty feeble.

It's just what the Syrian General that made the threat against the De Gaulle said referring to them as Syrian state sovereign property. Your guess is as good as mine as to just what the angle there is. Plus Syria doesn't really have a whole lot left without the oil. Their economy is in shambles, so I'm assuming they need whatever oil revenue they can get.

[VtaGeezer]

It's a big world with lots of different people in it. I think we're kidding ourselves if we think most immigrant come here because they believe in our ideals. ...

I don't really care if they share our ideals.  But if they don't share our basic values and respect for rights, we've got a serious problem.  So far, Muslims in the US have record better than a lot of previous immigrant groups had. The risk is that we now know for a fact that ISIS has successfully infiltrated the Syrian refugee pipeline into the West. What we don't know is how many may be in the almost 5000 per day getting into Europe, and soon coming to the US.  I'm also uncomfortable with the high proportion of young unattached young males in the refugees; those dudes ought to be shipped to Cyprus and watched.

[Dr. MD MD]

know what makes me sad..that there are people that think this was a hoax

Don't misunderstand me. I know that they happened. I know that Isis has claimed responsibility. I'm just questioning who's behind it. Is it really JUST a rogue group of fundamentalist Muslims? I've just been around long enough to know that the easy answers and reactions aren't usually the right ones. I hope they get ALL the people responsible for this.

[Eddie Coyle]

It's a big world with lots of different people in it. I think we're kidding ourselves if we think most immigrant come here because they believe in our ideals. They either see an economic opportunity or an opportunity to escape some sort of oppression but once they get here they'll still be who they are. In my country it's not just Muslims that have been buying up property and moving in. There are also plenty of Chinese and Indians and Filipinos too. We also got a bunch of Bosnians, Serbians and Romanians back in the early to mid 90s.  Hey, I wish white people stuck together the way a lot of other ethnic groups do but we just don't anymore. It's every man for himself with us unless it's some horrible Nazi-like organization dedicated to hating anyone who's not us. We're also not breeding much anymore compared to other ethnic groups. Even China recently allowed people to have a second child. So, in a few short decades we will be the minority, like it or not. It's like the rest of the world caught us slipping and now they're saying, "I'll have that, thank you." Can you blame them?

      I'm under no illusions about the future of the West. The downward cycle is well underway, I've felt that the USA's tricentennial is in doubt. Exceptionalism is delusion. My views on religion make Pol Pot and Enver Hoxha look like Unitarians. Forget opiate of the masses, it's the malignant tumor of the masses. Berserk Capitalism has eroded the nation-state.

      I'm glad I'm closer to being dead than being born.

[Dr. MD MD]

I don't really care if they share our ideals.  But if they don't share our basic values and respect for rights, we've got a serious problem.

Well, that's what I meant by ideals...and no, they often don't but in a democracy they're free to believe whatever they want and to try to elect someone who believes the same.

[SciFiAuthor]

Forget opiate of the masses, it's the malignant tumor of the masses. Berserk Capitalism has eroded the nation-state. I'm glad I'm closer to be dead than being born.

You never cease to amaze me with your powers of subtle indirectness. 

Sadly, I have to agree though.

[albrecht]

So, they were lying the last few times but now it's all real? I hope you understand my skepticism.

"They" weren't lying, about it all. Sadaam was a 'bad guy', his sons, swamp arabs, Kurds, Abu Nidal (who they killed though later, interestingly), the 'supergun', etc. They are all bad over there, so it is like triage or, I guess, figuring which ones (Muslim sects, strongmen, despots, leaders, clans, tribes, families, etc) to support with regard to other, broader interests. Which, often, lead into worse stuff. But, I say, the whole of the region is a backwater, cesspool. And like same, when it backs up you don't 'give a shit' anymore, pardon the pun, and drain it. There is nothing good to come from the area, so cut our looses and preserve what little remains of decency in the world and end them. By modern, scientific means. It sucks, but it is what it is. And, luckily, we have in the British Museum, and elsewhere, some remnants of the ancient history and cool stuff that region used to produce besides garbed sold women and beheaded people. The biggest threat we have is the Saudis etc and their divisive, corrupt, backwards "religion" and them exporting it, and funding terrorism. Really, we should stop selling them weapons (though it is hard to kick those kick-backs) and let ISIS/ISIL/SI take them down also. And then take out the whole region. I'm kidding, of course.

[Eddie Coyle]

You never cease to amaze me with your powers of subtle indirectness. 

Sadly, I have to agree though.

    My family crest is Asperger's in Gaelic. With a distempered goat.

    Spengler is Pangloss next to me.
 

[albrecht]

      I'm under no illusions about the future of the West. The downward cycle is well underway, I've felt that the USA's tricentennial is in doubt. Exceptionalism is delusion. My views on religion make Pol Pot and Enver Hoxha look like Unitarians. Forget opiate of the masses, it's the malignant tumor of the masses. Berserk Capitalism has eroded the nation-state.

      I'm glad I'm closer to being dead than being born.

Ha! Sad but true. One can hope, maybe, some great Redoubt of decent folk in some areas? But I think the future was staked in 65 with the immigration 'reform' but accelerating due to Hollywood and immigration policies to an amazing denouement, sooner than later than most expect. Even sooner than the most paranoid suspect. A wave crests slowly, often. But then when it approaches and breaks.....

[albrecht]

    My family crest is Asperger's in Gaelic. With a distempered goat.

    Spengler is Pangloss next to me.

Damn Catholics, started the ruin of the country....

[Dr. MD MD]

You never cease to amaze me with your powers of subtle indirectness. 

Sadly, I have to agree though.

Well, there's nothing in that I'll disagree with either

[SciFiAuthor]

    My family crest is Asperger's in Gaelic. With a distempered goat.

    Spengler is Pangloss next to me.

I sympathize. Mine is "Get drunk and pontificate" in French with a brain in a jar flanked by two immoveable asses.

"Damn Catholics, started the ruin of the country.... "

Edit: Topped with a papal tiara.

[Eddie Coyle]

Ha! Sad but true. One can hope, maybe, some great Redoubt of decent folk in some areas? But I think the future was staked in 65 with the immigration 'reform' but accelerating due to Hollywood and immigration policies to an amazing denouement, sooner than later than most expect. Even sooner than the most paranoid suspect. A wave crests slowly, often. But then when it approaches and breaks.....

    Manny Celler, Ted Kennedy and Hubert Humphrey are venerated to this day. Those three are the ones responsible for the suicide pact of '65. Two aging men who would be dead by 1981, and dipsomaniac who expected to die at an early age. Thank you for deciding our future. Humphrey never got around to "eating his hat" on that racial quota thing, either.

     It's fitting that Boston, NYC have been victimized by foreign terror...and The Twin Cities will see it soon enough, with their contentment in being West Mogadishu.

[Eddie Coyle]

Damn Catholics, started the ruin of the country....

    King Billy and Cromwell, respectively, set the wheels in motion for that future disaster

I sympathize. Mine is "Get drunk and pontificate" in French with a brain in a jar flanked by two immoveable asses.

"Damn Catholics, started the ruin of the country.... "

Edit: Topped with a papal tiara.

       I want Ancestry.com to find the last Pagan in the bloodline. That's the forebear I really relate to. Probably in the Alps circa 375 AD.

[SciFiAuthor]

Well, there's nothing in that I'll disagree with either

What drives me nuts is that the Western World collectively is the best the human race has come up with culturally. There are troubles and problems in its history, but through that we emerged as the most advanced group of societies the human race has ever seen technologically, socially, all across the board. Yet we seem so ready to let it degrade now and hand off the mantle to China or whomever. We've seriously lost something over the last 5 decades.

[Dr. MD MD]

http://time.com/4106265/yale-students-protest/

Here's one that will get you riled up. It almost did me and then I remembered Yale is the home of Skull and Bones and is the alma mater of all the Bush men. Maybe those silly SJWs have a point this time?

[SciFiAuthor]

       I want Ancestry.com to find the last Pagan in the bloodline. That's the forebear I really relate to. Probably in the Alps circa 375 AD.

I suppose mine would be some Gallic tribe in northern France or an Odin worshipping Norman or some combination thereof. I'm not even sure I could relate to that even. About the only one I can relate to is an ancestor in Quebec that had three wives, all spaced along a river where he trapped fur in the 18th century. One wife for each part of the trapping year I guess. I can at least understand that, whereas religion I can't fathom.

[Dr. MD MD]

What drives me nuts is that the Western World collectively is the best the human race has come up with culturally. There are troubles and problems in its history, but through that we emerged as the most advanced group of societies the human race has ever seen technologically, socially, all across the board. Yet we seem so ready to let it degrade now and hand off the mantle to China or whomever. We've seriously lost something over the last 5 decades.

Did we lose it or was it systematically taken from us? That's the question I struggle with.

[albrecht]

    King Billy and Cromwell, respectively, set the wheels in motion for that future disaster


       I want Ancestry.com to find the last Pagan in the bloodline. That's the forebear I really relate to. Probably in the Alps circa 375 AD.

King Billy On The Wall, brings back memories. haha. Kidding. (By the way, no offense, but one of the cleverest and funny football songs I've heard is a modification of "I wanna go home" or BB "sloop john b" song called "The Famine Song." Sectarianism at his best and most poetic)

Cromwell is an interesting, complex figure. I wish he were around to deal with the Muslims.

[VtaGeezer]

http://time.com/4106265/yale-students-protest/

Here's one that will get you riled up. It almost did me and then I remembered Yale is the home of Skull and Bones and is the alma mater of all the Bush men. Maybe those silly SJWs have a point this time?

Most of today's American ills are the products of thinking promugated in Ivy League universities.  This is not a coincidence.

[albrecht]

Did we lose it or was it systematically taken from us? That's the question I struggle with.

This kind of discussion can take ugly turns, suffice it to say there is an enemy within, but considers itself without, or separate, who has always sought to undermine Western Civilization and let me end it at that.

[SciFiAuthor]

Did we lose it or was it systematically taken from us? That's the question I struggle with.

That's a fine question, I'm just not sure where we went wrong. I have a suspicion that it started in the 1950's when anti-humanism started to lurk in the public perception of things. Europe was in a post-war mindset looking to rethink everything from nationalism to government but may have went too far and then the US followed suit. At some point we switched from thinking that we could do anything, perhaps culminating with going to the moon, but after that everybody just started downsizing our ambitions in the western world and we just don't think big anymore. There's more to it than that, but I think that shift in outlook played a role.

[albrecht]

That's a fine question, I'm just not sure where we went wrong. I have a suspicion that it started in the 1950's when anti-humanism started to lurk in the public perception of things. Europe was in a post-war mindset looking to rethink everything from nationalism to government but may have went too far and then the US followed suit. At some point we switched from thinking that we could do anything, perhaps culminating with going to the moon, but after that everybody just started downsizing our ambitions in the western world and we just don't think big anymore. There's more to it than that, but I think that shift in outlook played a role.

I hate to say it, but, -flame me here- one of the reasons I like the RCH show, initially, is that he, for awhile, held back a bit on 19.5 but was really positive...about the future, about science, about humanity, about the country, etc. Most radio, at least for a decade or more, is always about griping, bitching, evil conspiracies, end times, world gonna die from warming, or nihilist politics and cynicism. RCH, for a time, had a positive outlook and even a positive 'spin' on conspiracy theory. It lasted a few weeks. But was refreshing (even if I don't buy into 19.5 or some of his politics.)

[Eddie Coyle]

King Billy On The Wall, brings back memories. haha. Kidding. (By the way, no offense, but one of the cleverest and funny football songs I've heard is a modification of "I wanna go home" or BB "sloop john b" song called "The Famine Song." Sectarianism at his best and most poetic)

Cromwell is an interesting, complex figure. I wish he were around to deal with the Muslims.

   The Muslims would really detest Cromwell...he let the Jews back into England.

   Being the blackheart that I am, I'd crack up at "The Famine Song". I'd probably have some rejoinder about Mountbatten being the first member of the Royal Family in Space.

   

About the only one I can relate to is an ancestor in Quebec that had three wives, all spaced along a river where he trapped fur in the 18th century. One wife for each part of the trapping year I guess. I can at least understand that, whereas religion I can't fathom.

         That's the type of ancestor I'd love to have. I'm pretty much descended from horse thieves and other horse thieves. Who were into Rum, Romanism and Rebellion. And that's just when they arrived in Boston.