Gun Shots Fired at Art Bell's Property Tonight

[GeorgieForPresident2216]

That doesn't even make sense.

What of the crimes that do not involve handguns?   

I get it you don't like handguns.  I can accept that.

But your "stats" are made up balogny that do not consider anything other than supporting a narrow view.

2% more likely to be raped as a female in the United States; 27% more likely to be knifed in the UK because they don't have handguns but 403% more likely to be murdered in the United States, and 690% more likely to suffer aggravated assault.

https://dispellingthemythukvsusguns.wordpress.com/

And you're right.  As I stated earlier it's a tenuous result that wouldn't stand up in court.  It's just one line of evidence but I find it suggestive.  It's not the only thing I base my views on.

By the way I'm fascinated with handguns.  I like handguns, but I think they should be way better controlled and, if everyone has the right to own one, then I think mandatory gun handling and shooting classes should be put in place for all high school graduates.  It's a matter of respecting the weapon which you obviously do, but I think many don't.

[DanTSX]

2% more likely to be raped as a female in the United States; 27% more likely to be knifed in the UK because they don't have handguns but 403% more likely to be murdered in the United States, and 690% more likely to suffer aggravated assault.

https://dispellingthemythukvsusguns.wordpress.com/

And you're right.  As I stated earlier it's a tenuous result that wouldn't stand up in court.  It's just one line of evidence but I find it suggestive.  It's not the only thing I base my views on.

By the way I'm fascinated with handguns.  I like handguns, but I think they should be way better controlled and, if everyone has the right to own one, then I think mandatory gun handling and shooting classes should be put in place for all high school graduates.  It's a matter of respecting the weapon which you obviously do, but I think many don't.

Now see we can find common ground.

I'm all for a better educated, and more accountable gun owner.  But I don't want to see qualifications based on need or other values determining who and when they may be accessed.

It took a long time to get here so we could carry without judgement of need being passed on us, so we are understandably passionate.  But it is in no way what I consider my "identity". Nor is it an expression of freedom, but rather, being prevented from the right is an experience of the opposite of freedom.

As usual, education and personal responsibility are the key.  Unfortunately there are social cancers in this country.   I know guns are not the cause, nor the cure. 

[lonevoice]

I thought I'd check on the latest with Art's incident.  Somehow, I ended-up on in the politics forum.  I guess it could have been worse.

Perhaps marginally, but it's too close to call. 

[chefist]

Perhaps marginally, but it's too close to call.

Hi Lone! Hope you are well! Are you good at carving pumpkins?  I'm doing the annual pumpkin patch/carving with my kid this weekend...BEST TIME OF YEAR!

[onan]

I trust my government more than I trust the community at large, especially if there is a breakdown in providing food and gas.

[Rix Gins]

Just send in Clint.  "Get off my lawn, you young whippersnappers!"

Or hire this fella to sit in front of the studio during broadcast hours.  He's made out of wood.  I picture a slowly rotating base with dim spotlight on him...That'l keep 'em guessing.

[VtaGeezer]

An arsenal in the closet won't do a thing to deter a drive-by shooter out in the street. Clearly, Art needs IEDs and claymores on that dead-end street.

[scottydawg]

Here's the gun Art should have by his side in the Studio!

[VtaGeezer]

Too bad Art doesn't get along with Alex Jones.  Jones could deploy a platoon of Oath Keepers to form a perimeter around the compound.

[lonevoice]

Hi Lone! Hope you are well! Are you good at carving pumpkins?  I'm doing the annual pumpkin patch/carving with my kid this weekend...BEST TIME OF YEAR!

Sounds like fun!  Enjoy the Best Time of the Year with your kidlet.

[chefist]

Sounds like fun!  Enjoy the Best Time of the Year with your kidlet.

I'm awkwardly aroused...

[trostol]

I'm awkwardly aroused...

i think i am hypnotized

[GeorgieForPresident2216]

Now see we can find common ground.

I'm all for a better educated, and more accountable gun owner.  But I don't want to see qualifications based on need or other values determining who and when they may be accessed.

It took a long time to get here so we could carry without judgement of need being passed on us, so we are understandably passionate.  But it is in no way what I consider my "identity". Nor is it an expression of freedom, but rather, being prevented from the right is an experience of the opposite of freedom.

As usual, education and personal responsibility are the key.  Unfortunately there are social cancers in this country.   I know guns are not the cause, nor the cure.

I'm glad we could agree on something.  I know my suggestion of giving training to all high school graduates is a little unrealistic -- I wouldn't want to teach that course.  But just as a free democracy demands everyone has access to the free press regardless of socioeconomic status so they can make informed decisions at the polls, I think the second amendment holds society similarly accountable.  I know an argument against demanding training for anyone wishing to purchase a gun is that it puts artificial economic barriers against a constitutional right and, in principle, I can't argue with that.

[GeorgieForPresident2216]

Sounds like fun!  Enjoy the Best Time of the Year with your kidlet.

Wow Lonevoice, I bet you're jack-o-lantern laden porch looks incredible by now.

[lonevoice]

An arsenal in the closet won't do a thing to deter a drive-by shooter out in the street. Clearly, Art needs IEDs and claymores on that dead-end street.

Prepared to go mobile and off-road if needed

[chefist]

Prepared to go mobile and off-road if needed

Well prepared girl!  ever out near Tucson you have a base of operations here...

[lonevoice]

Well prepared girl!  ever out near Tucson you have a base of operations here...

Thank you, chefist!  It would be a blast, literally.

[PB the Deplorable]

I can't add much to what YP has already said so eloquently. I think we are on the same page about all of this. it always amazes me when people raise the argument of having firearms as a safeguard against a tyrannical government. If a government is genuinely tyrannical, then they will be able to deal with any outbreaks of civilian violence by virtue of being immeasurably better equipped and better trained...

Really?  I'm pretty sure there have been plenty of tyrannical governments overthrown over the years - are you saying there were no armed citizens involved in any of them?  What about the countries where the tyrannical central government is careful to not provoke certain - armed - regions of the country, and they end up with semi-autonomous arrangements?

Look at your own country, with the 'no go' zones in certain Islamic enclaves - they aren't even heavily armed yet even the police are afraid to go there.     


The larger question is why are so many people so enamored with big, bloated, unaccountable, unresponsive, all powerful central governments?  Why are so many otherwise intelligent people so eager to embrace the continual diminishment of the rights of citizens and the corresponding expansion of governmental power?

[DanTSX]

I'm glad we could agree on something.  I know my suggestion of giving training to all high school graduates is a little unrealistic -- I wouldn't want to teach that course.  But just as a free democracy demands everyone has access to the free press regardless of socioeconomic status so they can make informed decisions at the polls, I think the second amendment holds society similarly accountable.  I know an argument against demanding training for anyone wishing to purchase a gun is that it puts artificial economic barriers against a constitutional right and, in principle, I can't argue with that.

I think that some sort of safe firearm identification, safety, and handling training at a few points in the K-12 experience would certainly cut down on the minority of child gun deaths where children find a parent's or someone else's unsecured gun and discharges it.

Of course the other side of the fence rejects the idea as "letting the NRA inside the schools to train militiamen" or something.  The reality is that this type of injury or death happens far too often.  And mostly in inner-cities where the incidents don't make the suburban news either.

I don't think it's any different than training on what a lighter or matches could do.

[trostol]

man people are still going about pretty much everything but what happened at Art's lol

just to put my 2 cents in of everything but Art's place..i am watching original Star Wars

[GravitySucks]

I think that some sort of safe firearm identification, safety, and handling training at a few points in the K-12 experience would certainly cut down on the minority of child gun deaths where children find a parent's or someone else's unsecured gun and discharges it.

Of course the other side of the fence rejects the idea as "letting the NRA inside the schools to train militiamen" or something.  The reality is that this type of injury or death happens far too often.  And mostly in inner-cities where the incidents don't make the suburban news either.

I don't think it's any different than training on what a lighter or matches could do.

When I was 4 a friend got his Dad's handgun and killed his little self.  My Dad, seizing a teachable moment, put a watermelon on a trash can and shot it with his shotgun.  He said "See that?  That's what happened to Tommy's head. Don't touch my guns." 

To this day I cannot shoot a watermelon.

[ItsOver]

man people are still going about pretty much everything but what happened at Art's lol

just to put my 2 cents in of everything but Art's place..i am watching original Star Wars

Those damn, evil lightsabers.  For shame.

[ItsOver]

...To this day I cannot shoot a watermelon.

OK.  Beware of armed watermelons.

[VtaGeezer]

I'm glad we could agree on something.  I know my suggestion of giving training to all high school graduates is a little unrealistic -- I wouldn't want to teach that course.  But just as a free democracy demands everyone has access to the free press regardless of socioeconomic status so they can make informed decisions at the polls, I think the second amendment holds society similarly accountable.  I know an argument against demanding training for anyone wishing to purchase a gun is that it puts artificial economic barriers against a constitutional right and, in principle, I can't argue with that.

Senior year only.  Might cut down the drop-out rate in inner city schools.

[GravitySucks]

We teach driver's education in high school, and yet...

In the 1st 6 months of this year in the US, there have been 19,000 traffic deaths and 2.4 million serious injuries from traffic accidents.
http://www.newsweek.com/us-traffic-deaths-injuries-and-related-costs-2015-363602

Where is the outrage against all of the car manufacturers?  Where is the outrage against AAA for encouraging use of these deadly weapons? Where is the call to ban these deadly devices?  There is no constitutional amendment that says you have a right to keep a car.

[trostol]

Those damn, evil lightsabers.  For shame.

[wr250]

Onan,

Read my posting again.  This time read it carefully for the details.  For example, you totally missed that the legislation I suggest should have a provision that mandates a 6-month to 1-year jail sentence for any sworn statement found to have been made in bad faith.  Later in my posting suggests the basis for a good faith sworn statement.  With these parameters, the government couldn't abuse this means of keeping firearms out of the hands of emotionally disturbed individuals.  You're thinking every hot head you've ever conversed with.  This legislation is setting as the bar folks like the guy who killed 44 people at VA Tech, and the guy who shot up the elementary school.  Both were obviously way past being a little hot headed and well into the zone of serious disturbance.  Read the posting again.  Most of your comments suggest you skimmed the posting.

so the criminals steal the guns instead of buying them legally. yes this has happened already recently.
if someone is intent on mass murder, little details like not buying a gun legally will not stand in the way.  if they cant get a gun, then they will use a bomb, poison gas, or even a knife (same day as sandy hook a chinese guy in china killed several, and wounded 20 some people with a knife at a schoolyard).

[ItsOver]

Some things never change, regardless of the galaxy.

[aldousburbank]

just to put my 2 cents in of everything but Art's place..i am watching original Star Wars

Drinking a Dos Equis negro and listening to Graceland.

[WOTR]

(same day as sandy hook a chinese guy in china killed several, and wounded 20 some people with a knife at a schoolyard).

That whole Chinese thing was just a false flag operation.