Who will be the next President of the United States?

[MV/Liberace!]

Isn't Fox News is largely responsible for both Trump's and Carson's stepping on Jeb by giving both a free platform in the past?  I'm not a regular Fox viewer but have read that Carson got his national exposure by being a fixture on Fox after his "Obamacare is worse than slavery" remark.  I know Bill O'Blather gave Trump lots of air time before the debate falling-out.

it's true that personalities on fox have given trump a lot of airtime, but that's because they know what gets ratings.  i'm not really sure how much airtime they've given carson or what FNC's role was in his rise.  sounds like you know more about that than i do.

all of that aside, i believe the network is remarkably pro establishment.  i decided that in 2008 when watching how the network treated ron paul and again in 2012 watching how FNC salivated over the prospect of a romney nomination.  if trump weren't so popular among the electorate and such a ratings bonanza, he'd be getting the ron paul treatment right now, for sure.

[aldousburbank]

Of all your avatars MV, I find this one the most disturbing.

[albrecht]

it's true that personalities on fox have given trump a lot of airtime, but that's because they know what gets ratings.  i'm not really sure how much airtime they've given carson or what FNC's role was in his rise.  sounds like you know more about that than i do.

all of that aside, i believe the network is remarkably pro establishment.  i decided that in 2008 when watching how the network treated ron paul and again in 2012 watching how FNC salivated over the prospect of a romney nomination.  if trump weren't so popular among the electorate and such a ratings bonanza, he'd be getting the ron paul treatment right now, for sure.

I heard something about Trump banning Fox and recall some years earlier that Murdoch was a Billary supporter. Then again Trump also was friendly and gave money to the Clintons, so who knows? Initially I thought he was a stalking horse for her but now it seems he really is running? All networks are pro-establishment, to varying degrees.

[MV/Liberace!]

Of all your avatars MV, I find this one the most disturbing.

when you search for that image, you'll find a lot of this, which is just a hoot:

[MV/Liberace!]

All networks are pro-establishment, to varying degrees.

very true.

[Rix Gins]

I just had a disturbing scene flash through my mind that I hope isn't prophetic.  Carson and Clinton are going at it in a presidential debate and Clinton wins it because she had the bigger set of balls. 

[VtaGeezer]

Six corporations control 90% of what Americans read, watch and listen to: Comcast, Disney, Time Warner, Viacom, CBS, NewsCorp.  In 1983, it was 50.

[mikuthing01]

Six corporations control 90% of what Americans read, watch and listen to: Comcast, Disney, Time Warner, Viacom, CBS, NewsCorp.  In 1983, it was 50.

And all Jew owned

[albrecht]

And all Jew owned

Politics is unmoderated, hahaha. We will see. But I think a better description is controlled or managed. Many of those mentioned are public companies and much of the stock is owned by goyim (via personal investments or group investment and things like labor, teacher, state retirement, IRAs, etc portfolio funds.) Actually full-ownership is underrated and managing, investing, manipulating, controlling interest, etc a system can make one more money, and make asserting control and propaganda cheaper!

[bateman]

Just heard this about Jeb:

There isn't as much money as people think, and he's been given a number to reach by the big donors. +4 points in the next 6 weeks or the money gets shut off for good. He'll be out by Christmas if not sooner.

[GravitySucks]

Just heard this about Jeb:

There isn't as much money as people think, and he's been given a number to reach by the big donors. +4 points in the next 6 weeks or the money gets shut off for good. He'll be out by Christmas if not sooner.

I hope so

[MV/Liberace!]

+4 points in the next 6 weeks or the money gets shut off for good.

i can't believe they're giving him that long to accomplish so little.

[MV/Liberace!]

We need to start registering predictions on the imminent (or not) indictment of Hillary Clinton. 

I predict the FBI will recommend to the attorney general that Clinton be indicted, but whether the AG decides to prosecute is anyone's guess.  The FBI recommendation to the AG will be far less politically motivated than the AG's ultimate decision. It'll come down to what the executive wants, I'd suspect.

[bateman]

i can't believe they're giving him that long to accomplish so little.

Goes to show how badly "they" want him in there. Paul Singer's already defected but I imagine the holdouts are big Texas oil money.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/31/us/politics/paul-singer-influential-billionaire-throws-support-to-marco-rubio-for-president.html

[GravitySucks]

We need to start registering predictions on the imminent (or not) indictment of Hillary Clinton. 

I predict the FBI will recommend to the attorney general that Clinton be indicted, but whether the AG decides to prosecute is anyone's guess.  The FBI recommendation to the AG will be far less politically motivated than the AG's ultimate decision. It'll come down to what the executive wants, I'd suspect.

If you start using a HRC avatar, I want my money back.

[MV/Liberace!]

...I imagine the holdouts are big Texas oil money.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/31/us/politics/paul-singer-influential-billionaire-throws-support-to-marco-rubio-for-president.html

or people connected to arms manufacturing.

[Juan]

There's no way Hillary gets indicted. She won't even be frog-marched to a justice center. She has too many connections - and all of those FBI files from the 90s.

[albrecht]

Goes to show how badly "they" want him in there. Paul Singer's already defected but I imagine the holdouts are big Texas oil money.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/31/us/politics/paul-singer-influential-billionaire-throws-support-to-marco-rubio-for-president.html

I think there needs to be a BIG difference drawn between the big Texas oilmen and the big Texas oil companies these days. Big Oil companies want the mainstream candidate and don't even mind the environmental stuff, if they can plan for it and since regulation, even taxes, -they would likely help them consolidate more power and market-share (like post-bailout laws help the big banks take marketshare from local, small banks or credit unions.) Sure they don't want them but know how to manipulate the system and gain advantage- the main thing they want is stability. The old-school oil men and independents are the ones more likely to promote the upstarts, fringe, far-right, etc. But these are getting fewer; as corporations, politics, and lawyers take place of wild-catting, striking it rich, wanting to promote coups or kill Presidents, volatility, etc. For good or bad, I guess depending on situation.

[bateman]

or people connected to arms manufacturing.

Probably, but they're not making it easy to find out.

The super PAC’s biggest single vendor this year through June is a mysterious limited liability company, LKJ, LLC, whose owners are hidden behind the state of Delaware’s opaque registration laws. The company doesn’t appear to have a website or a physical office.

http://time.com/4063597/jeb-bush-right-rise-super-pac/

[bateman]

This is Right to Rise's official donor list, but it doesn't account for the money funneled into LKJ, LLC.

http://fcir.org/2015/07/31/jeb-bushs-right-to-rise-super-pac-releases-donor-list/

Texas oil men, New York investment bankers, Miami healthcare company owners, and three former ambassadors

[albrecht]

Probably, but they're not making it easy to find out.

http://time.com/4063597/jeb-bush-right-rise-super-pac/

It would be hilarious if Charlie Trie, Mr.Wu, the Riady characters and the ever inscrutable Johnny Chung were behind it; just to get Billary back for not allowing more American secrets to be given. I'm guessing though the supposed "secrecy" is just plain bs. With the technology, capital controls monitoring, banking laws, political use of the IRS, and government snooping programs? They know who is behind everything, at least US-based, for the most part. The issue is they don't mind because Clinton or Bush? Same, when it comes to things they care about.

[bateman]

It would be hilarious if Charlie Trie, Mr.Wu, the Riady characters and the ever inscrutable Johnny Chung were behind it; just to get Billary back for not allowing more American secrets to be given. I'm guessing though the supposed "secrecy" is just plain bs. With the technology, capital controls monitoring, banking laws, political use of the IRS, and government snooping programs? They know who is behind everything, at least US-based, for the most part. The issue is they don't mind because Clinton or Bush? Same, when it comes to things they care about.

LKJ is a black box if they want it to be. You think the Bushes couldn't do better than what their buddies at Enron were doing? There could be an endless number of shell companies feeding it.

[GravitySucks]

LKJ is a black box if they want it to be. You think the Bushes couldn't do better than what their buddies at Enron were doing? There could be an endless number of shell companies feeding it.

I wonder if these peeps down here in Houston are related
http://www.lkjfinancial.com/

[albrecht]

LKJ is a black box if they want it to be. You think the Bushes couldn't do better than what their buddies at Enron were doing? There could be an endless number of shell companies feeding it.

Sure, daddy was CIA Director. BUT, my point, is that nothing, really, is secret. But there is much discretion in prosecution or even using of knowledge. Excepting old coots hiding some gold they mined in another secret hole the laws, IRS, data-packet intercepts, NSA, etc means they can find- if they want- who is behind such things. People know where the money goes, the only question is jurisdiction and will to prosecute/seize/identify. Often don't want to use for "later use" or identify methods, besides the obvious benefits of having a portfolio...aka Hoover but, much, much, more through now. And since the bankers and corporations benefit from tax-domiciles, paper-companies, legal (or questionable) tax loop-holes, etc the government won't prosecute, for the most part. And when done a slap-on-wrist fine- even if the banks are laundering money for violent cartels or terrorists. LIBOR etc? How many in prison? BCCI? Front-running? As you mention ENRON? Sure the Stanford thing got some in prison but, again, the small guys and ENRON, Stanford etc were small guys on block who tried to get in on the game. And I'm far from a leftist, though sound like a Sanders supporter, but I say as long as the government has the power for control over all aspect of our lives the money will be there. Close the wallet, end the corruption. And I fully support every company and person to use every legal method to avoid taxes and the SC (even though I think it has too much power) supports this in various rulings.

[bateman]

I wonder if these peeps down here in Houston are related
http://www.lkjfinancial.com/

I would seriously doubt it. You don't set up a shady LLC with the same name as the organization you're trying to hide.

[albrecht]

I would seriously doubt it. You don't set up a shady LLC with the same name as the organization you're trying to hide.

http://ideas.ted.com/the-difference-between-corporate-privacy-and-secrecy/
http://ideas.ted.com/tag/corporate-secrecy/
I still maintain, however, that "if" there was an actual interest that most, if not all, could be uncovered or is known by the alphabets but there is no reason to do so, usually.
ps: sounds like a show brewing?? But now you getting into deep waters.

[MV/Liberace!]

Probably, but they're not making it easy to find out.

here's a good starting point:
https://theintercept.com/2015/08/13/jeb-bush-hosted-defense-contractor-backed-group-calls-iraq-war-pretty-good-deal/?comments=1#comments

[bateman]

I still maintain, however, that "if" there was an actual interest that most, if not all, could be uncovered or is known by the alphabets but there is no reason to do so, usually.

Nothing is secret IF you know where to look. But this would be a real bitch to untangle even if there was a desire to do so, which I agree, there isn't. If Saudi Prince _________ wanted to give $75 mil to Jeb, all he'd have to do is break it up into smaller payments & run them through shell companies to LKJ. Work it backwards - ABC, DEF, GHI, JKL (shit, this is probably exactly what they did considering LKJ is the reverse...) could all have fictitious receipts that could be padded with that "dark" money. The forensic accounting this would take is beyond the abilities of most of the clowns at the agencies tasked with the investigation. The IRS is full of guys who couldn't hack it in finance, or they'd be working at Goldman.

[albrecht]

Nothing is secret IF you know where to look. But this would be a real bitch to untangle even if there was a desire to do so, which I agree, there isn't. If Saudi Prince _________ wanted to give $75 mil to Jeb, all he'd have to do is break it up into smaller payments & run them through shell companies to LKJ. Work it backwards - ABC, DEF, GHI, JKL (shit, this is probably exactly what they did considering LKJ is the reverse...) could all have fictitious receipts that could be padded with that "dark" money. The forensic accounting this would take is beyond the abilities of most of the clowns at the agencies tasked with the investigation.

Yeah though I think it is a matter of will; not ability. I remember being questioned everyso often as a KID about some neighbors (in close DC suburb) when some people would be getting a promotion or hire. And "jokes" when "what does dad do" days at school from some friends who dad could not be identified except, work for the government. And the IRS (and other) agencies have good accountants, lawyers, etc and all the 'non-governmental' ones also that, even before ECHELON and whatever the alphabets are running these days could identify fraud. IF they wished too and with the computing power now and, relative, cashless society? I think it is more that it is "held" to cover asses, "get" somebody who goes rouge, get legislation or court decision, or limit liability. Just like someone's company "knows" some sales guy went to porn or updated fantasy sports bets...if his "numbers" are in, no problem. If not. Instant reason and easy fire. Storage and capabilities is so cheap now and the laws, hahaha? But if so good and so much spending we still we allow terrorism? Money laundering? Miss important Geo-political events? Etc? Why- due to political correctness, mundane error, or to a more nefarious purposes even when "people were on radar" admittedly even? Or?

[bateman]

here's a good starting point:
https://theintercept.com/2015/08/13/jeb-bush-hosted-defense-contractor-backed-group-calls-iraq-war-pretty-good-deal/?comments=1#comments

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