Females Given Green Light For Navy SEALs

[FightTheFuture]

For the record, it's my whole-hearted belief that there isn't a single female on this planet that has any business doing this. It's PC gone wild.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/08/18/navy-seals-open-women-top-admiral-says/31948789/

[albrecht]

For the record, it's my whole-hearted belief that there isn't a single female on this planet that has any business doing this. It's PC gone wild.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/08/18/navy-seals-open-women-top-admiral-says/31948789/

Already in many occupations allowances, or standards are lowered, are made because it is more important to have "diversity" than people who can do the job; you know like in the military, fire departments, police, etc.

[Quick Karl]

The faggotization / effemination of America, continues.

[Yorkshire pud]

The faggotization / effemination of America, continues.

I'd love to watch a female SF soldier toe to toe with you...oh the popcorn!!!

[Uncle Duke]

I'd love to watch a female SF soldier toe to toe with you...oh the popcorn!!!

Any females in combat roles in SAS, SBS, or Paras? 

[onan]

Somehow, I think the military will still be effective.

[nooryisawesome]

This thread is a tease. I saw females given green.... I thought  the thread was going to be something cool like "females given green pill that turns them green".

[Uncle Duke]

This thread is a tease. I saw females given green.... I thought  the thread was going to be something cool like "females given green pill that turns them green".

Once you go green, you never go back.

[WildCard]

Once you go green, you never go back.

I like where this is going.

[Yorkshire pud]

Any females in combat roles in SAS, SBS, or Paras?

No idea, they keep things like numbers and deployment classified. I do know however of a RN female nurse who did the full 38 week Royal Marines basic training and the top brass briefly resisted awarding her a green beret: this apparently caused a near mutiny by the NCO and her OC. The brass relented and deigned for her to be presented with her beret. I believe it's been repeated since.

But that doesn't excuse the misogynist bellyaching from Qunt Karl. He's full of shit and hates women. He gets a stuffy at the thought of men with beards and firearms, women overlooked and still overlook the sad little turd which is why he's so bitter about them.

Me? I don't give a shit if a soldier is male, female or from Mars, as long as they're effective and work in the team.

[GeorgieForPresident2216]

When I was in basic training, I was given a radio to carry during a march.  It weighed about 70+ pounds, so I was told.  We were supposed to switch off every time we stopped, so being a wimp I complained when we halted about ten or fifteen minutes in.  They passed it off to one of the women in our platoon who must have been all of 4'10".   She carried that radio for the next hour and never said a word.  Likewise, there weren't many of us who could keep up with her on the track.  That taught me not only to keep my mouth shut, but also to respect the women in service (not that I didn't anyway).

[albrecht]

When I was in basic training, I was given a radio to carry during a march.  It weighed about 70+ pounds, so I was told.  We were supposed to switch off every time we stopped, so being a wimp I complained when we halted about ten or fifteen minutes in.  They passed it off to one of the women in our platoon who must have been all of 4'10".   She carried that radio for the next hour and never said a word.  Likewise, there weren't many of us who could keep up with her on the track.  That taught me not only to keep my mouth shut, but also to respect the women in service (not that I didn't anyway).

All I know is child birth is, apparently, very painful and women handle it- even before the days of meds. I don't understand how women carry around babies and toddlers on their hip or arms without effort all day. So I'm not worried about pain tolerance or stamina but more about morale and what happens to the country/military, and the female soldiers, when the first female soldier gets captured and we are treated to home movies of gangrapes, torture, etc. Our enemies, especially the Muslims, are notorious harsh on women. I don't want to see that happen.

[GuerrillaUnReal]

I'm initially very resistant to this but I'm willing to have an open mind about it. I sure as fuck am not going to third world hell holes to assassinate for Jesus, Obama or whatever other buzz word.

America is becoming a very strange place but I'm not going to tell someone they don't have the freedom to pursue their dreams. But at the same time, I will lose my shit if I these women aren't held to the same standards as men or we hear something stupid like a lawsuit for one of them being called a cunt or something like that.

[West of the Rockies]

I agree with Onan.  The military will survive (as it will with homosexual soldiers).  I also think, though, that verrrry few women will make the cut.  To me, it is a bit like having a female on an NBA basketball team.  For every Sheryl Swopes, there are 50,000 women who would not last an hour in training camp.  Swopes could maybe make it as a reserve--maybe even a starter--on a few teams, but she is the exception.

[Quick Karl]

All I know is child birth is, apparently, very painful and women handle it- even before the days of meds. I don't understand how women carry around babies and toddlers on their hip or arms without effort all day. So I'm not worried about pain tolerance or stamina but more about morale and what happens to the country/military, and the female soldiers, when the first female soldier gets captured and we are treated to home movies of gangrapes, torture, etc. Our enemies, especially the Muslims, are notorious harsh on women. I don't want to see that happen.

The feminist dogma from women, and their effeminate sperm-providing worker-boys on the left, will NOT allow talk such as this! How dare you!!!!!

[Yorkshire pud]

The feminist dogma from women, and their effeminate sperm-providing worker-boys on the left, will NOT allow talk such as this! How dare you!!!!!

Still not got laid big boy? Oh well.

[albrecht]

Any females in combat roles in SAS, SBS, or Paras?

No,
"Women may now join the British Armed forces in all roles except those whose "primary duty is to close with and kill the enemy": Infantry, Household Cavalry, Royal Armoured Corps, Royal Marines Commandos, RAF Regiment, Special Air Service and Special Boat Service." Women can be pilots and bomb (since first Gulf War.)

In other words back-office, tea ladies, logistics, secretaries, comms, etc but not combat troops and not in the elite services. It would appear that homosexuals and other BLTs can join in all capacities. (But, I guess not, if the man is now a woman.)

[FightTheFuture]

Bottom line here is it`s a HUGE unneeded distraction that the teams really could do without. Believe me, you wont see a female get anywhere near to completing BUD/S.

The SEAL community is not impressed with this latest social experimentation PC BS. It`s  stupid for so many reasons.

[albrecht]

Bottom line here is it`s a HUGE unneeded distraction that the teams really could do without. Believe me, you wont see a female get anywhere near to completing BUD/S.

The SEAL community is not impressed with this latest social experimentation PC BS. It`s  stupid for so many reasons.

Obama, and the other social activists, don't care about disrupting or distracting from the military's readiness, mission, cohesiveness, or performance. (In fact it wouldn't surprise me if this a a part of the purpose.) But even if they have benign motives towards the military, and country, social experimentation, "fundamental change," and political correctness is certainly more import than anything else; even national security! In most cases they are willing to sacrifice standards to improve "diversity" and will go so far as sue fire-departments and force settlements for quotas or lowered standards so that more minorities or women get in. (Ignoring the fact that this in itself is a pretty mean concept in thinking that no minorities or women can perform well on tests or be fit enough.) Who cares about fighting fires or saving lives- as long as there as some lesbians or more blacks or women on the force?

[Yorkshire pud]

No,
"Women may now join the British Armed forces in all roles except those whose "primary duty is to close with and kill the enemy": Infantry, Household Cavalry, Royal Armoured Corps, Royal Marines Commandos, RAF Regiment, Special Air Service and Special Boat Service." Women can be pilots and bomb (since first Gulf War.)

In other words back-office, tea ladies, logistics, secretaries, comms, etc but not combat troops and not in the elite services.It would appear that homosexuals and other BLTs can join in all capacities. (But, I guess not, if the man is now a woman.)

Do you actually believe the crap you think? I'm hoping not. Women are not (officially at least) in front line infantry roles; however until magic is made real, and simply saying 'shazzzam' makes things happen, pretty much every role that men do in the armed services do, so do women. Such as intelligence, surveillance, logistics, command, aircrew-helis and fixed wing multi engine and front line fighters,  sailors and command of ships.. And the dozens of other jobs therein.

Take your heads out of your collective arses and accept that women make up 50% of the planet, live with it.

[albrecht]

Do you actually believe the crap you think? I'm hoping not. Women are not (officially at least) in front line infantry roles; however until magic is made real, and simply saying 'shazzzam' makes things happen, pretty much every role that men do in the armed services do, so do women. Such as intelligence, surveillance, logistics, command, aircrew-helis and fixed wing multi engine and front line fighters,  sailors and command of ships.. And the dozens of other jobs therein.

Take your heads out of your collective arses and accept that women make up 50% of the planet, live with it.

The thread was about front-line combat troops and special operations groups. Why don't you protest your own military, which doesn't allow females in combat, before commenting on our military allowing it (or potentially allowing it?) The US has announced that they will allow women in combat roles (and now possibly going into more elite combat units also.) Fallon has claimed your military will do this "sometime," so go protest and bun your bra over there and protest him.


Sure woman are 50% (or more percent of the population) it doesn't mean they are the same, contrary to popular opinion. Or that can do everything a man can do (and vice-versa.) This can easily seen by everyone dropping their pants. If they were the same than why are the standards for entry different (BMI, Height/Weight requirements, fitness test, etc?)

As I've mentioned before in the thread I think some women could likely make the cut (maybe not for the super-elite units) and pain-tolerance, stamina, etc women are often better than men. My problem is what happens to the country, military, etc when the first woman gets captured and we get the videos of the gangrape, torture, sale or then beheading by the Muslims which would surely happen. I think despite political-correctness people who feel even more anger, irrationality, or shock when those videos come up, and clearly they would be a specific target, I don't want to see that happen.

[GeorgieForPresident2216]

I thought we went through this controversy with women joining the SEALS a long time ago (I know I'm going to get shit for comparing the liberal progressive socialist agenda or the Hollywood fascist elite to real life, but that's what makes it fun).


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ObR1c1Nza4

[albrecht]

I thought we went through this controversy with women joining the SEALS a long time ago (I know I'm going to get shit for comparing the liberal progressive socialist agenda or the Hollywood fascist elite to real life, but that's what makes it fun).


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ObR1c1Nza4

Ha yeah, I couldn't help thinking about this awful movie when the subject was broached. Other countries/places have used women in combat likely since time immemorial though usually it was out of necessity. But in the modern era they were more likely not on the front-lines but in administrative, communications, medical, auxiliaries, intelligence/crypto, etc or working in civilian life (which still helps the war effort.) The Soviets had a large number and used women in the front-lines. How much of that was due to necessity vs the politics (Soviets were big, at least on paper, of liberating women from the chains of family, capitalism, etc. only a few were ever made officers but they perform heroically in combat roles. Especially some famous snipers were women.)

[Yorkshire pud]

The thread was about front-line combat troops and special operations groups. Why don't you protest your own military, which doesn't allow females in combat, before commenting on our military allowing it (or potentially allowing it?) The US has announced that they will allow women in combat roles (and now possibly going into more elite combat units also.) Fallon has claimed your military will do this "sometime," so go protest and bun your bra over there and protest him.

I don't kick off to the government because I don't care one way or the other; Here's why: Our special forces are selected not just by the CO, but mainly by NCO's and other senior instructors who take the selection group. The ratio of applicants/ accepted, is classified but it's suggested by those in the know as somewhere north of 99% of those who apply are rejected for one reason or another. Could be physical fitness, endurance, ability to work under extreme duress (Sleep deprivation, lack of food/water etc), aptitude, intelligence, initiative; all of or none of the above. They're essentially looking for someone they know they can depend on when things get lively. Do you honestly think that an NCO instructor with possibly ten or more years experience in SF would select a soldier (male or female) who they thought was less than the highest standard they need? If you do, you're an idiot.

That being the case, if SF soldiers are selected for the team they're allocated, I'm going to be pretty sure they got the right soldier for the job, because they're lives might literally depend on it. SF isn't all about gung ho bang bang; it's also stealth, being multi lingual, high intelligence, improvisation, winning hearts and minds to turn informants, things that women are just as good, in some cases better than men at.

Sure woman are 50% (or more percent of the population) it doesn't mean they are the same, contrary to popular opinion. Or that can do everything a man can do (and vice-versa.) This can easily seen by everyone dropping their pants. If they were the same than why are the standards for entry different (BMI, Height/Weight requirements, fitness test, etc?)

See above.

As I've mentioned before in the thread I think some women could likely make the cut (maybe not for the super-elite units) and pain-tolerance, stamina, etc women are often better than men. My problem is what happens to the country, military, etc when the first woman gets captured and we get the videos of the gangrape, torture, sale or then beheading by the Muslims which would surely happen. I think despite political-correctness people who feel even more anger, irrationality, or shock when those videos come up, and clearly they would be a specific target, I don't want to see that happen.

And you think women are not switched on enough to make such decisions when they join up any military unit?

[albrecht]

I don't kick off to the government because I don't care one way or the other; Here's why: Our special forces are selected not just by the CO, but mainly by NCO's and other senior instructors who take the selection group. The ratio of applicants/ accepted, is classified but it's suggested by those in the know as somewhere north of 99% of those who apply are rejected for one reason or another. Could be physical fitness, endurance, ability to work under extreme duress (Sleep deprivation, lack of food/water etc), aptitude, intelligence, initiative; all of or none of the above. They're essentially looking for someone they know they can depend on when things get lively. Do you honestly think that an NCO instructor with possibly ten or more years experience in SF would select a soldier (male or female) who they thought was less than the highest standard they need? If you do, you're an idiot.

That being the case, if SF soldiers are selected for the team they're allocated, I'm going to be pretty sure they got the right soldier for the job, because they're lives might literally depend on it. SF isn't all about gung ho bang bang; it's also stealth, being multi lingual, high intelligence, improvisation, winning hearts and minds to turn informants, things that women are just as good, in some cases better than men at.

See above.
And you think women are not switched on enough to make such decisions when they join up any military unit?

Maybe, I know the discussion on NPR (our version of the BBC radio) regarding this issue was hilarious. All talk about a contraption so that women can pee in bottles (tank units, like truckers, often do this to avoid stopping, getting out, etc,) stuff about fighting yeast and vaginal infections in combat zones, contraception/pregnancy, dealing with "that time of the month" with meds to delay/stop menstruation and possible problems with rape, harassment, and sexuality (within the military not by the enemy) etc. It was surreal conversation- nothing about actual skills (the general standards are already lowered for women for things like BMI, etc) or group cohesion and/or dangers (and propaganda opportunities) if captured. And why all this concern about "women's issues" if women are the same as men?

I would agree with you on the selection for the more elite units would likely not be dropped. But you never know these days....our city had to lower standards so that we could get more female and black firefighters and this happened in even large departments (NYPD dropped physical standard tests.)
http://nypost.com/2014/12/11/fdny-drops-physical-test-requirement-amid-low-female-hiring-rate/
http://nypost.com/2014/09/26/rookie-firefighter-injures-rise-after-fdny-lowers-standards/
The Army here under Bush dropped some standards to get more troops (things like prior felony arrests or convictions, hs diploma, etc.) So I could see this women thing being more about ability to get bodies than pure social experimentation.

[GeorgieForPresident2216]

Well, women have been allowed into all combat roles except submarines in the Canadian Armed Forces since 1989, and submarines since 2000.  They still only hold about 2.5% of front-line combat positions so I wouldn't worry about it too much.

[Yorkshire pud]

Well, women have been allowed into all combat roles except submarines in the Canadian Armed Forces since 1989, and submarines since 2000.  They still only hold about 2.5% of front-line combat positions so I wouldn't worry about it too much.

Don't the Israelis have female combat soldiers? And Austria?

[FightTheFuture]

Women have a role to play in the armed forces. No question about that. However, we are talking about a warrior class here that trains in a very unique way, and practices warfare in a very unique way.

We are talking about basic human physiology. Women possess far less upper body muscle tissue, and do not recover nearly as quickly as men. Nor are they able to endure pain like men and still operate at a high level.

During BUDS, you are routinely pushed to the very limits of physical endurance, all while wet, cold, dirty, hungry and sleep deprived.Women are unable to physically recover sufficiently in order to perform the next evolution. That would inevitably result in injury and failure -- 100% of the time.

[Sandra Kristen]

I love this thread because it shows how people bury their heads in the sand and ignore reality to justify their outdated beliefs. The YPJ, in Syria, has shown just how capable women are at combat.

[albrecht]

I love this thread because it shows how people bury their heads in the sand and ignore reality to justify their outdated beliefs. The YPJ, in Syria, has shown just how capable women are at combat.

Sure, you want to live a life like Syria!?!  When there is a civil war or invasion even children and elderly fight, I guess we should be sending our children over? Look at certain African nations: proves the effectiveness of child soliders, right? Screw that. We should be seeking end wars and send LESS people overseas to fight and certainly not sending women over to become hostages, raped, and beheaded for propaganda purposes, or sold for fund-raising purposes of the Muslim radical groups. Why risk that? Just for political correctness? But if we must at least keep the standards the same with regard to height, fitness, bmi indices, and training and no special extra, facilities, leave, or breaks due to "women's issues," pregnancies, etc. Treat them just as a male. In dress also (this could help them not be targets by the Muslims also.)

And, obviously, all women need to register for Selective Service, right? Oh, wait. They don't