The NFL Football Fan Podcast - With The Mud King and Eddie Dean

[eddie dean]

He was a great college QB, just like Tebow.  Just like a lot of guys.  It's a different game, different rules, different schemes/formations/play calling, different atmosphere, different officiating - and a different level of competition, which makes the very athletic stand out more.  Coaching 20 year olds is different from coaching older guys.  The difference in talent level between teams is much greater, different teams and conferences play a much wider variety of styles. 

It's not apples to apples, a good college player isn't going to automatically be a good player in the pros, and a lot of times a player may be much better suited for the pro game.  A player can't get away with just being a great athlete in the pros the way they can in college, specific talents are required for specific positions (see: 'Tweener' in the NBA), etc, etc

When does this podcast start - we are well into training camp and even have the first preseason behind us - surely there are things to talk about

I agree. One of the things I hear consistently about the difference between college ball to the NFL is the speed of the game. Not to mention the size and strength of the players.

Podcast starts this Saturday the 22nd at 5pm PT/8pm Eastern.

[cweb]

GO BILLS!!!!!

Agreed! Hopefully this year ends the playoff drought!

   Michael Sam has quit football.

   The future book, film, TV series and Oprah special will not be hindered by the facts of his pro career.

I sure hope they get Alfonso Ribiero to play him in the movie.

Greatest QB disappointments in history. List them here.

Every QB the Bills have drafted after 1985 (Frank Reich).

[eddie dean]

     I think JAMARCUS(intentional sic) Winston will be another pro dud, some of the ducks he threw the other night-across the middle no less, were Tebow-ian. Throwing off his back leg, floating the ball over his fullback, yet coming up short to his flankers.

He (Winston) should go clubbing with Manzel. Winston will probably get more press for off field activities than on this season.

[Eddie Coyle]

I sure hope they get Alfonso Ribiero to play him in the movie.

Every QB the Bills have drafted after 1985 (Frank Reich).

  (a) and a break board scene should begin that film. (b) Reich is the QB to have when you're down 30+. Held NCAA and NFL records at one point.

[Eddie Coyle]

He (Winston) should go clubbing with Manzel. Winston will probably get more press for off field activities than on this season.

   I'm all for clubbing both of those dodos to death. Both are reasons to end NCAA Football from being televised. Ego monster scumbaglios.

Greatest QB disappointments in history. List them here.

For my money, Cade McNown was the biggest disappointment that I can remember in recent history. At UCLA he was phenomenal. He ran an exciting pro style offense, and he had  absolutely flawless mechanics. What the heck happened??

      I thought he'd be good, too. I thought Rick Mirer would be decent. The worst high pick QB in terms of NFL ability, Akili Smith was maybe the worst I've seen. Zero football sense.

[PB the Deplorable]

I agree. One of the things I hear consistently about the difference between college ball to the NFL is the speed of the game. Not to mention the size and strength of the players.

Podcast starts this Saturday the 22nd at 5pm PT/8pm Eastern.

Every NFL player is a great player - big, strong, fast, good football sense (well, with notable exceptions to that last part, as mentioned above, who make up for it by at least showing 'promise').  The very best college teams only send a handful of players to the NFL each year.  Even the top college teams have to rely on walk-ons.

From what I understand, the jump from college to the pros is larger than the jump from High School to college

[PB the Deplorable]

   I'm all for clubbing both of those dodos to death. Both are reasons to end NCAA Football from being televised. Ego monster scumbaglios...

Well, there is that.

I have to admit to preferring the college game.  More variety of play, complete turnover every 4 years means new stars all the time - and at least having different jerks to be irritated with (no more Crablegs, no more Johnny Football).  It's more exciting, less well executed means anything can happen at any time, tons of upsets, more great plays and performances... and complete breakdowns - it's just more real.

Pageantry, tradition, rivalries, marching bands, students, cheerleaders... the NFL is a bit sterile - how many times can a person watch the Jets vs Miami for example


Are you guys (Curtis and Eddie D) open to discussing the college game? 

[Eddie Coyle]

Well, there is that.

I have to admit to preferring the college game.  More variety of play, complete turnover every 4 years means new stars all the time - and at least having different jerks to be irritated with (no more Crablegs, no more Johnny Football).  It's more exciting, less well executed means anything can happen at any time, tons of upsets, more great plays and performances... and complete breakdowns - it's just more real.

   Moreso in my degenerate gambling days, but I'd be up to 4 am waiting for the Hawaii game to get finished. College football from noon to 3am(or later) is often quite better than what the NFL can provide. And the networks do have a knack for seemingly working in concert to give us good games all day.

[PB the Deplorable]

   Moreso in my degenerate gambling days, but I'd be up to 4 am waiting for the Hawaii game to get finished. College football from noon to 3am(or later) is often quite better than what the NFL can provide. And the networks do have a knack for seemingly working in concert to give us good games all day.

I hate Lou Holtz more than George Noory. 

Brent Turdburger is close, and there is some female announcer that I can't stand either.  The rest I'm able to tune out

[stevenotero]

Really looking forward to this!

I host a sports/geek podcast of my own and would love to have you both on.

[Eddie Coyle]

I hate Lou Holtz more than George Noory. 

Brent Turdburger is close, and there is some female announcer that I can't stand either.  The rest I'm able to tune out

   Was never a fan of Holtz, but reading "Under The Tarnished Dome" back in '93 really sealed it. He was the strict disciplinarian with walk ons and scrubs, but a genuine piece of shit like Ricky Watters could do anything he pleased. Which means Holtz is no different than Jimmy Johnson or Paterno in that regard, but Holtz sees himself as some noble "I played by the rules" sanctimonious lord of football.

   He and Mark May were awful. May looks like he could be the star of "Thinner 2".

[PB the Deplorable]

   Was never a fan of Holtz, but reading "Under The Tarnished Dome" back in '93 really sealed it. He was the strict disciplinarian with walk ons and scrubs, but a genuine piece of shit like Ricky Watters could do anything he pleased. Which means Holtz is no different than Jimmy Johnson or Paterno in that regard, but Holtz sees himself as some noble "I played by the rules" sanctimonious lord of football.

   He and Mark May were awful. May looks like he could be the star of "Thinner 2".

His voice alone - to be sure, that level of arrogance shines through and doesn't help - actually keeps me from watching the Saturday night highlights show

[FightTheFuture]

The only thing I ever liked about Lou Holtz was he gave that idiot, Mark May, hell day and night. Oh, and he got his start in coaching at thee Ohio State University. So, I guess he can`t be all that bad

[eddie dean]

Well, there is that.

I have to admit to preferring the college game.  More variety of play, complete turnover every 4 years means new stars all the time - and at least having different jerks to be irritated with (no more Crablegs, no more Johnny Football).  It's more exciting, less well executed means anything can happen at any time, tons of upsets, more great plays and performances... and complete breakdowns - it's just more real.

Pageantry, tradition, rivalries, marching bands, students, cheerleaders... the NFL is a bit sterile - how many times can a person watch the Jets vs Miami for example


Are you guys (Curtis and Eddie D) open to discussing the college game?

I don't know about the Mud King, but I generally don't watch or follow college ball. I never really got into it for various reasons.
However, I'm sure there will be some discussions about it as it relates to the NFL: Rookies, draft picks & their transition into the pros etc. College football certainly won't be the focus of the show, but it's not a forbidden subject.  If someone has a comment & wants to call in about college ball, the lines will be open.

[eddie dean]

Really looking forward to this!

I host a sports/geek podcast of my own and would love to have you both on.

Thanks steve!
I'm looking forward to this new endeavor as well.

PM me & I'm sure we can work something out.
If you can't afford my appearance fee, I will accept pics of Giselle and/or Lauren Tannehill as payment.

[cweb]

   I'm all for clubbing both of those dodos to death. Both are reasons to end NCAA Football from being televised. Ego monster scumbaglios.


      I thought he'd be good, too. I thought Rick Mirer would be decent. The worst high pick QB in terms of NFL ability, Akili Smith was maybe the worst I've seen. Zero football sense.

Yeah, I remember all the sports pages touting that QB class with Smith, McNown, and Couch. Sure, McNabb did alright. And Culpepper had some great years. But those other guys were pretty mediocre.

Joey Harrington is another big bust. Guy played some, but he always seemed terrified in the pocket. Rushed throws and didn't do anything to win games. I suppose you could say he played on a Matt Millen Lions team, so he was at a disadvantage from the get-go....

[Eddie Coyle]

Joey Harrington is another big bust. Guy played some, but he always seemed terrified in the pocket. Rushed throws and didn't do anything to win games. I suppose you could say he played on a Matt Millen Lions team, so he was at a disadvantage from the get-go....

    That's a great one and he seemed to have the thing that doomed Matt Leinart as well. Overly laid back, seemed sad to be leaving school and apparently commanded very little, if no respect at all from his teammates. ESPN doing a feature on his piano playing while he did little on the field was not ideal.

   Being on the Lions didn't help, either. When the Gary Moeller year is the best of the decade...but Barry Sanders sudden departure did seem to torpedo them for a long time.

[starrmtn001]

I so wish I knew what you guys are talking about.  

[PB the Deplorable]

I don't know about the Mud King, but I generally don't watch or follow college ball. I never really got into it for various reasons.
However, I'm sure there will be some discussions about it as it relates to the NFL: Rookies, draft picks & their transition into the pros etc...

John Elway's last drive as a college QB, before going on to become the #1 pick overall in the draft. 

The action picks up Stanford down by 2 points, 4th and 17 on their own 13, 1 time out remaining, 53 seconds left in the game...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGl107O5r94

[onan]

I so wish I knew what you guys are talking about.  

When in doubt, about a response, just ask "do you think the bench is deep enough?"

If that fails suggest weaker teams often pull off an upset when least expected.

gets me through several conversations with thanksgiving football.

[starrmtn001]

When in doubt, about a response, just ask "do you think the bench is deep enough?"

If that fails suggest weaker teams often pull off an upset when least expected.

gets me through several conversations with thanksgiving football.

Johnny Bench?  Johnny Bench's Bench?  I thought he used to play baseball?  Wait, didn't he get benched?  I'm SOOOO confused!

[PB the Deplorable]

When in doubt, about a response, just ask "do you think the bench is deep enough?"

If that fails suggest weaker teams often pull off an upset when least expected.

gets me through several conversations with thanksgiving football.

Or launch into a profanity laced tirade about poor clock management skills. 

This one is a bit more subtle though, as it depends on what the score is and who else came over for dinner

[stevenotero]

Thanks steve!
I'm looking forward to this new endeavor as well.

PM me & I'm sure we can work something out.
If you can't afford my appearance fee, I will accept pics of Giselle and/or Lauren Tannehill as payment.

I think I can swipe some horse porn from Jaz's collection

[eddie dean]

Week 2 of preseason starts tonight:

[eddie dean]

1 hour into week 2 of the preseason and.....  RG III is out of the game with a shoulder 'stinger'
Is it wrong to lol?  :

Yup RGIII, you are the best player in the NFL. on the bench. in the locker room. in the doctor's office.

[stevenotero]

1 hour into week 2 of the preseason and.....  RG III is out of the game with a shoulder 'stinger'
Is it wrong to lol?  :

Their 1st rd pick Brandon Scherff was put on skates. They tried to copy the Cowboys' success with Zack Martin last year. Scherff was a total reach where he was picked.

https://twitter.com/SBNationGIF/status/634511390108164096

[eddie dean]

Their 1st rd pick Brandon Scherff was put on skates. They tried to copy the Cowboys' success with Zack Martin last year. Scherff was a total reach where he was picked.

https://twitter.com/SBNationGIF/status/634511390108164096

Rookie linemen = hurt QB.  Now I know why P. Manning didn't play last week. LG & LT for the broncos O-line are both rookies!

[heater]

1 hour into week 2 of the preseason and.....  RG III is out of the game with a shoulder 'stinger'
Is it wrong to lol?  :

Yup RGIII, you are the best player in the NFL. on the bench. in the locker room. in the doctor's office.

You know I think RGIII was misquoted.  He either said "I'm the best QB in the NFL at Fantasy Football" or he said "Subway What? Jared the subway dude did what?! My shoulder hurts."

[morgana213]

And for some before season banter, check out this video of FSU's Winston fumble (about 4 seconds into the video) against Oregon. (#5, garnet and gold) 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPYbS_G-Hh0

Do you guys think there was something paranormal that pushed him and the referee backward.   

[eddie dean]

And for some before season banter, check out this video of FSU's Winston fumble (about 4 seconds into the video) against Oregon. (#5, garnet and gold) 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPYbS_G-Hh0

Do you guys think there was something paranormal that pushed him and the referee backward.   

Embarrassing!  It almost looks like he dropped that ball on purpose.  oops.
I wonder if Winston had some cash on the ducks & wanted to help the spread! :