Sarah Palin Knocks it Out of the Park

[Ruteger]

See attached pic. 'Nuff said.

[DanTSX]

SOMETHING SOMETHING SHES STUPID SOMETHING


I like her.  She's good at uncovering what should be painfully obvious.

[Quick Karl]

How long will it take for the sissy-brigade to start calling her names?

[albrecht]

Well, this implies that Sanger, and much of the leftist elites who support that organization, really think "black lives matter."

[DanTSX]

Well, this implies that Sanger, and much of the leftist elites who support that organization, really think "black lives matter."

How dare you!  Abortion is a sacrement

[onan]

How dare you!  Abortion is a sacrement

It certainly should be. A majority of times the decision to abort isn't an easy one. If it is an easy decision, would you want that kind of parent?

I always find so much sympathy for unborn fetuses, but the minute it becomes a being in the world, supporting it financially becomes a government entitlement.

[Yorkshire pud]

It certainly should be. A majority of times the decision to abort isn't an easy one. If it is an easy decision, would you want that kind of parent?

I always find so much sympathy for unborn fetuses, but the minute it becomes a being in the world, supporting it financially becomes a government entitlement.

Yep. Usual rants about women making decisions about their own bodies, how dare they, eh?  But as soon as they go through with a full pregnancy they're irresponsible for giving birth

The usual suspects being men (and at least two misogynists) find the question of pregnancies because of rape (even if children) difficult to address, but don't advocate abortion. I've even read some believe the girl/ woman should go full term! After rape!

I'm sure they'd do the same. Oh hang on.

[qaddisin]

Yep. Usual rants about women making decisions about their own bodies, how dare they, eh?  But as soon as they go through with a full pregnancy they're irresponsible for giving birth

The usual suspects being men (and at least two misogynists) find the question of pregnancies because of rape (even if children) difficult to address, but don't advocate abortion. I've even read some believe the girl/ woman should go full term! After rape!

I'm sure they'd do the same. Oh hang on.

There's little question that if men could get pregnant that abortion would be a non-issue. You wouldn't even have to go to a clinic to get an abortion, you could just buy "Abort-O", the Pregnancy Terminator! from your local convenience store.

[albrecht]

Yep. Usual rants about women making decisions about their own bodies, how dare they, eh?  But as soon as they go through with a full pregnancy they're irresponsible for giving birth

The usual suspects being men (and at least two misogynists) find the question of pregnancies because of rape (even if children) difficult to address, but don't advocate abortion. I've even read some believe the girl/ woman should go full term! After rape!

I'm sure they'd do the same. Oh hang on.

The same people who think babies should be aborted because their mother is black or poor are often the same ones who claim to believe "black lives matter." One never knows if a dead baby, even if born of a poor person or black person, believe it or not, might've ended up becoming a great scientist or whatever. There have even, believe it or not, been people who were born via rape that lived good lives and made accomplishments. (This is not to say that I personally think the life of a great scientist (or whatever) is worth anymore than just some common working man but for your eugenics crowd that type of argument might be appealing.) Of course, certain societies, took the modern eugenics ideas to the ultimate extreme and caused a world war expanding eugenics to a more "pro-active" basis. But the idea is as old as time, Sparta was a great example. I will note that the theory also sometimes lead "great families" to get to the point of not be able to eat solid foods, mental instability, etc because in-breeding and a limited gene pool of the "elite" has not proven very successful.

It is a weird situation on all "sides" you have anti-abortion people who say no contraception . You have people who claim to love blacks and the poor but give millions to kill their babies. You have societies in which males are more valued (or with one child policies) so females are aborted, but they complain about a 'war on women' here and are loathe to criticize that because abortion is such a precious sacrament.  The people who hold abortion as a sacred right bitch about policies of forced contraception or sterilization, but support Sanger and her organization who whole heartedly supported those polices.  Anti-abortionists who don't want government assistance to single-mothers or their children.  Feminists, and others, complain and protest against female genital mutilation but are supportive of crushing and vacuuming out the brain of a baby female. 

[paladin1991]

SOMETHING SOMETHING SHES STUPID SOMETHING


I like her.  She's good at uncovering what should be painfully obvious.

And she is still good looking

[Quick Karl]

It certainly should be. A majority of times the decision to abort isn't an easy one. If it is an easy decision, would you want that kind of parent?

I always find so much sympathy for unborn fetuses, but the minute it becomes a being in the world, supporting it financially becomes a government entitlement.

Because people like you have convinced completely irresponsible people that their neighbors OWE THEM SUPPORT for their foolish choices, for the sole purpose of undermining all rational rules of social rights and wrongs.

[onan]

Because people like you have convinced completely irresponsible people that their neighbors OWE THEM SUPPORT for their foolish choices, for the sole purpose of undermining all rational rules of social rights and wrongs.

Go back to your army men.

[DigitalPigSnuggler]

their foolish choices

Having sex is a foolish choice?  Who taught you that, your mother?  Although truth be told, I can forgive HER for feeling that way.

[albrecht]

Having sex is a foolish choice?  Who taught you that, your mother?  Although truth be told, I can forgive HER for feeling that way.

Having children without the income, ability, stability, or desire to raise them is a bad choice. Sure the kids can turn out ok but it is not the most logical, or best, choice usually for the parent(s,) child, or society. One can have sex without having children, despite what the Pope tells you. Or one can not have sex until they are ready. Or have another 'kind' of sex (consult internet here if you wish.)

But simply because someone is black or poor doesn't mean their kid should be killed, at least until their first police encounter. Kidding there. Black Lives Matter, except if you are a baby. Maybe we should "nip it the bud," as Sanger and you eugenicists, might say and eliminate (or at least limit) the abortion debate.: simply sterilize blacks, the poor, the enfeebled, the retarded, drug/alcohol abusers, etc? With modern technology this can be done in non-permanent way (albeit with some risk for future health problems, maybe.) That way THEY, and society, wouldn't be burdened and abortion would be a thing reserved for rare cases (or via selective option for the elite.)

[onan]

Having children without the income, ability, stability, or desire to raise them is a bad choice. Sure the kids can turn out ok but it is not the most logical, or best, choice usually for the parent(s,) child, or society. One can have sex without having children, despite what the Pope tells you. Or one can not have sex until they are ready. Or have another 'kind' of sex (consult internet here if you wish.)

But simply because someone is black or poor doesn't mean their kid should be killed, at least until their first police encounter. Kidding there. Black Lives Matter, except if you are a baby. Maybe we should "nip it the bud," as Sanger and you eugenicists, might say and eliminate (or at least limit) the abortion debate.: simply sterilize blacks, the poor, the enfeebled, the retarded, drug/alcohol abusers, etc? With modern technology this can be done in non-permanent way (albeit with some risk for future health problems, maybe.) That way THEY, and society, wouldn't be burdened and abortion would be a thing reserved for rare cases (or via selective option for the elite.)

There is too much oversimplification in this thread, perhaps all threads. But this one started with Palin saying something inflammatory about abortion. A good sound bite that has little merit other than to rouse the base.

I could post statistics that suggests unwanted pregnancies are more than often, not a foolish choice, but failure of birth control methods. I could also point out that the largest number of women getting abortions are not black, but white and there is a large number of Hispanics in the mix too.

But abortion is as legal as owning a gun. Sorry that it offends some.

[albrecht]

There is too much oversimplification in this thread, perhaps all threads. But this one started with Palin saying something inflammatory about abortion. A good sound bite that has little merit other than to rouse the base.

I could post statistics that suggests unwanted pregnancies are more than often, not a foolish choice, but failure of birth control methods. I could also point out that the largest number of women getting abortions are not black, but white and there is a large number of Hispanics in the mix too.

But abortion is as legal as owning a gun. Sorry that it offends some.

Again people, for some reason, don't seem to understand the idea of "per capita." The population of the USA (currently despite best efforts to change it) is still mainly white, so, logic would have it, that most of just about anything (abortion, crime, murders, whatever) would be naturally skewed for whites to score higher. And also since Hispanics, the largest growing ethnicity (not race) can be considered white in official surveys or in self-reported surveys. (This assumes, of course, that all races are equal. Obviously some, like Sanger, didn't.) And if one includes income and other factors this would also expand the "white" numbers (Sanger and the other eugenicists were also concerned with imbeciles, poor people, etc regardless of race.)

So sure, maybe, there are more white babies aborted. I guess this is a "win" in some kind of sick game? But per capita more black babies are killed (which, oddly, one would think the modern racists would celebrate. But those "racist" Christians, Republicans, Catholics, etc against abortion- which would save babies of all races  but the "black lives matter" and "down with the 1%" "progressives" who love the poor want them aborted  )

ps: former policies advocated by eugenicists are, pretty much 100%. Hysterectomies, abortions, tubal ligation, etc. But I think some of the implantables or medications are pretty reliable also. There are possible risks for the mom (who cares about the child, of course) with different types. Of course, aside from rape, a person could make a logical choice to abstain, choose another "kind" of intercourse, etc. Of course, nothing, I guess is 100% but despite what the Pope, or you, might say, using contraception (even multiple types at once or even just the condom) is fairly effective against pregnancy (not diseases necessarily though and not 100%.) And so is not having sex (barring another miracle  )

One option that I haven't heard of of the eugenicists advocate is one the male side. That is a large, if not the biggest part of the problem. Maybe castrate male blacks and poor people? At least chemically? Think of the choirs we could have singing for an NPR/PBS Christmas Special!

ps: abortion is more legal than owning a gun in most places, actually. And cheaper.

[onan]

Again people, for some reason, don't seem to understand the idea of "per capita." The population of the USA (currently despite best efforts to change it) is still mainly white, so, logic would have it, that most of just about anything (abortion, crime, murders, whatever) would be naturally skewed for whites to score higher. And also since Hispanics, the largest growing ethnicity (not race) can be considered white in official surveys or in self-reported surveys. (This assumes, of course, that all races are equal. Obviously some, like Sanger, didn't.) And if one includes income and other factors this would also expand the "white" numbers (Sanger and the other eugenicists were also concerned with imbeciles, poor people, etc regardless of race.)

So sure, maybe, there are more white babies aborted. I guess this is a "win" in some kind of sick game? But per capita more black babies are killed (which, oddly, one would think the modern racists would celebrate. But those "racist" Christians, Republicans, Catholics, etc against abortion- which would save babies of all races  but the "black lives matter" and "down with the 1%" "progressives" who love the poor want them aborted  )

ps: former policies advocated by you eugenicists are, pretty much 100%. Hysterectomies, etc. But I think some of the implantables or medications are pretty reliable also. Of course, aside from rape, a person could make a logical choice to abstain, choose another "kind" of intercourse, etc. Of course, nothing, I guess is 100% but despite what the Pope, or you, might say, using contraception (even multiple types at once) is fairly effective against pregnancy (not diseases necessarily though and not 100%.) And so is not having sex (barring another miracle  )

ps: abortion is more legal than owning a gun in most places, actually. And cheaper.

I am not sure how something can be more legal. And lots of guns are cheaper. but w/e.

Look, I see unprepared mothers and unprepared families pop out kids on a frequent basis. We have a weird dynamic in this country about the sanctity of pregnancy and mothers. How many mentally ill parents of under three year olds do you know? So not only do we have a mentally ill person with now another significant stressor to potentially help them decompensate, but we have children being nurtured by someone with significantly poor coping skills. And some twerp suggests it is something I engendered. I am truly tired of the totally clueless.

Is there a greater proportion of blacks getting abortions? I dunno, I did however, work at a women's health clinic in East Liberty section of Pittsburgh... very urban. The women that came in... predominantly white and in late twenties to early thirties.

[Falkie_Fan]

Yep. Usual rants about women making decisions about their own bodies, how dare they, eh?  But as soon as they go through with a full pregnancy they're irresponsible for giving birth

The usual suspects being men (and at least two misogynists) find the question of pregnancies because of rape (even if children) difficult to address, but don't advocate abortion. I've even read some believe the girl/ woman should go full term! After rape!
I'm sure they'd do the same. Oh hang on.

Soooooooo how many abortions were used to prevent a pregnancy cause by rape over the past 10 years?

This argument is such bullshit.  Less then 1% of all abortions are the result or rape or incest.  Abortion is being used as expensive birth control by irresponsible people.

[Jackstar]

Abortion is being used as expensive birth control by irresponsible people.

Perhaps we should ensure that these genes survive to propagate throughout the species. Think of the carnivals.

[onan]

Abortion is being used as expensive birth control by irresponsible people.

Or by responsible people that do not want another child.

[Jackstar]

Or by responsible people that do not want another child.

Adoption--it's just so much trouble

[onan]

Adoption--it's just so much trouble

Two different issues. And yes adoption is quite a bit of trouble... go ahead, look it up.

[Jackstar]

go ahead, look it up.

I don't have to--I've met a social worker before. Better to vaccuum the kids' brains out than to let them live within the system as it stands today.

[onan]

I don't have to--I've met a social worker before. Better to vaccuum the kids' brains out than to let them live within the system as it stands today.

Well there is a great deal more to the subject than that. Including a pregnancy that wasn't wanted to begin with. Let me know when you would like to have a conversation without the usual snark.

[Quick Karl]

Having children without the income, ability, stability, or desire to raise them is a bad choice.

Shit you say!

[akwilly]

As a person that has actually met Sarah let me tell you, if legalizing abortions would get her elected she would be all for it.

[Quick Karl]

I don't have to--I've met a social worker before. Better to vaccuum the kids' brains out than to let them live within the system as it stands today.

Yet, expecting self-obsessed assholes to refrain from GETTING pregnant, or DOING the impregnating, is such an absurd concept! Better that all of society should PAY THE COST for the irresponsible behavior of ass-licks, or condone TAX PAYER FUNDED MASS MURDER OF CHILDREN, so that The Pious and all knowing, always right, Dr. Onan can achieve social justice for some wrong he's fabricated out of thin air...

[onan]

Yet, expecting self-obsessed assholes to refrain from GETTING pregnant, or DOING the impregnating, is such an absurd concept! Better that all of society should PAY THE COST for the irresponsible behavior of ass-licks, or condone TAX PAYER FUNDED MASS MURDER OF CHILDREN, so that The Pious and all knowing, always right, Dr. Onan can achieve social justice for some wrong he's fabricated out of thin air...

Did you lose your army men, again?

[albrecht]

I am not sure how something can be more legal. And lots of guns are cheaper. but w/e.

Look, I see unprepared mothers and unprepared families pop out kids on a frequent basis. We have a weird dynamic in this country about the sanctity of pregnancy and mothers. How many mentally ill parents of under three year olds do you know? So not only do we have a mentally ill person with now another significant stressor to potentially help them decompensate, but we have children being nurtured by someone with significantly poor coping skills. And some twerp suggests it is something I engendered. I am truly tired of the totally clueless.

Is there a greater proportion of blacks getting abortions? I dunno, I did however, work at a women's health clinic in East Liberty section of Pittsburgh... very urban. The women that came in... predominantly white and in late twenties to early thirties.

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Maybe an illegal gun or some cheap .25 Raven is cheaper- but abortion averages about $400 but there are "sliding scales" and even subsidies according to a quick Google search but that stat was from a few years ago. The PP site was "down" related to this question, for some reason. Certainly one would be hard-pressed, even here in Texas, to find a judge who would demand a child to have gun without parental permission or even their knowledge or consent. But judges do this for abortions in some places.


Re: your personal question: "Mentally Ill," I probably know lots with kids, especially with the expanded definitions of "mental illness." Severely retarded or really non-functioning or "crazy" to where whatever disability is severely debilitating? Only a few. In both cases the State and extended family advocated sterilizing the girl but family refused. But this was at a time when the "progressive" ideas were growing and such eugenics stuff was starting to be considered bad. So parents refused. One got pregnant (I think taken advantage off "literally" because her mental age was like an elementary school kid) and kid born was even worse off. I think someone adopted him (I'm sure the State is still paying, if he lived long.) She actually later married a guy (another disabled person) but I think she/they/state finally got her tubes tied. And is living, happily or at least carefree and luckily no more kids. The other (I think, I never knew) had an abortion and was "sent away." I only saw her once and she had some kind of palsy and retardation. Somehow she got pregnant (or so my neighbor told me.) An odd deal. But not unusual back then. I had a friends sister who "moved away" under suspicious circumstances after suspiciously 'gaining weight' and I never saw her again. And problem kids smoked a joint used to get sent away. If you got money your problems can disappear (recall the lobotomized Kennedy girl?) There was a sanitarium near me which was (in)famous for "distraught" or "exhausted" politician's problem wives to go to "rest."

In any event I think policies of abstinence, contraception, making smart or logical choices, and eugenics (maybe only put abortion facilities in poor or minority neighborhoods and have directions, ads, and billboards in foreign languages and subsidies....oh wait that's already covered.) How about limited and/or temporary sterilization for problem people (those deemed by the courts mentally unable to care for children, those convicted of child abuse or endangerment, those on public assistance or housing, any illegal immigrant or refugee, and those without an income say 7x poverty level in their county, etc.) Heck, just all black, poor, , retarded, brown or drunk/druggie people. Keep it simple, like Sanger would like!

[onan]

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Maybe an illegal gun or some cheap .25 Raven is cheaper- but abortion averages about $400 but there are "sliding scales" and even subsidies according to a quick Google search but that stat was from a few years ago. The PP site was "down" related to this question, for some reason. Certainly one would be hard-pressed, even here in Texas, to find a judge who would demand a child to have gun without parental permission or even their knowledge or consent. But judges do this for abortions in some places.


Re: your personal question: "Mentally Ill," I probably know lots with kids, especially with the expanded definitions of "mental illness." Severely retarded or really non-functioning or "crazy" to where whatever disability is severely debilitating? Only a few. In both cases the State and extended family advocated sterilizing the girl but family refused. But this was at a time when the "progressive" ideas were growing and such eugenics stuff was starting to be considered bad. So parents refused. One got pregnant (I think taken advantage off "literally" because her mental age was like an elementary school kid) and kid born was even worse off. I think someone adopted him (I'm sure the State is still paying, if he lived long.) She actually later married a guy (another disabled person) but I think she/they/state finally got her tubes tied. And is living, happily or at least carefree and luckily no more kids. The other (I think, I never knew) had an abortion and was "sent away." An odd deal. But not unusual back then. I had a friends sister who "moved away" under suspicious circumstances after suspiciously 'gaining weight' and I never saw her again. If you got money your problems can disappear (recall the lobotomized Kennedy girl?)

In any event I think policies of abstinence, contraception, making smart or logical choices, and eugenics (maybe only put abortion facilities in poor or minority neighborhoods and have directions, ads, and billboards in foreign languages and subsidies....oh wait that's already covered.) How about limited and/or temporary sterilization for problem people (those deemed by the courts mentally unable to care for children, those convicted of child abuse or endangerment, those on public assistance or housing, any illegal immigrant or refugee, and those without an income say 7x poverty level in their county, etc.) Heck, just all black, poor, , retarded, brown or drunk/druggie people. Keep it simple, like Sanger would like!

Good luck with that, civil rights and all.

If just the procedure of an abortion you are probably right. But add the cost of travel for many and the days away from work. And other costs and you have enough for a nice Ruger.

Look, I am all for some pretty dramatic strategies to stop so many pregnancies. Unfortunately, unless you want China, the options are limited.