Is Pasco the new Ferguson?

[yumyumtree]

mynorthwest.com/11/2711981/Hispanic-group-seeks-federal-investigation-of-Pasco-police-shooting

I don't want a federal investigation.  I'm tired of the federal government meddling in WA state law enforcement matters.  Seattle still hasn't recovered from what Eric Holder's DOJ did to them.

I don't think that the police can do no wrong, but I don't think that this merits a federal investigation.

I would be very curious to know how many of these protesters came in from Seattle, Olympia, Eugene, Missoula, etc., too.

[yumyumtree]

Sorry about the link.  The story is pretty easy to find, though.

[VtaGeezer]

I think the Feds should investigate two things; 1. The shooting, and 2. Why it took a Hispanic group to ask. 

[albrecht]

Was this guy Antonio Zambrano-Montes working legally with a permit or was he just another illegal? And if granted the permission to work here, or even bigger question if he was here illegally, why would he throw rocks at the police? Normally a guest acts peacefully and is thankful to be a guest in someone else's home.

In any event I hope the tax-payers won't have to dole out millions in a settlement or go through a lawsuit. And hopefully ICE, or at least Homeland Security, will be checking the documents of those at that rally and at minimum deport his family and seize any assets for which they cannot account immediately to help pay for their deportation and any damages or over-time by the protest(s). Also, the group "Latino Rebels", Latino Advice ("Consejo Latino"), La Raza, etc etc and any other pressure group is properly investigated by the IRS, FBI, and the DHS or even prosecuted under RICO if they are helping, or not reporting, illegals and other criminals or if their finances are not 100% above board.

[MV/Liberace!]

I think the Feds should investigate two things; 1. The shooting, and 2. Why it took a Hispanic group to ask.

is this the guy who got shot to death after throwing a couple rocks at the police?  if so, i agree with you.  looked like straight murder to me.  i was so angry after viewing that video.

[onan]

is this the guy who got shot to death after throwing a couple rocks at the police?  if so, i agree with you.  looked like straight murder to me.  i was so angry after viewing that video.

Yes, that is the same story. I am more than ok with federal "assistance". Quite likely the local police would not be as thorough.

[MV/Liberace!]

Quite likely the local police would not be as thorough.

agreed.  unless there's been some sort of CGI trickery, the police clearly shot this guy as he was running away.  i don't know of any circumstances where the police are allowed to shoot someone as they're running away.  maybe in 1920, not today.  based on what i saw in the video (from multiple angles) and based on what eye witnesses have stated, these police officers should be charged with murder.

[Juan]

Law professors write that immunity from lawsuits for police was created by judges.  They say it's time for judges to remove the immunity.

[FightTheFuture]

agreed.  unless there's been some sort of CGI trickery, the police clearly shot this guy as he was running away.  i don't know of any circumstances where the police are allowed to shoot someone as they're running away.  maybe in 1920, not today.  based on what i saw in the video (from multiple angles) and based on what eye witnesses have stated, these police officers should be charged with murder.

Agreed. It`s sickening. Throw the damn book at `em.

[Yorkshire pud]

Was this guy Antonio Zambrano-Montes working legally with a permit or was he just another illegal? And if granted the permission to work here, or even bigger question if he was here illegally, why would he throw rocks at the police? Normally a guest acts peacefully and is thankful to be a guest in someone else's home.

In any event I hope the tax-payers won't have to dole out millions in a settlement or go through a lawsuit. And hopefully ICE, or at least Homeland Security, will be checking the documents of those at that rally and at minimum deport his family and seize any assets for which they cannot account immediately to help pay for their deportation and any damages or over-time by the protest(s). Also, the group "Latino Rebels", Latino Advice ("Consejo Latino"), La Raza, etc etc and any other pressure group is properly investigated by the IRS, FBI, and the DHS or even prosecuted under RICO if they are helping, or not reporting, illegals and other criminals or if their finances are not 100% above board.

But you're fine with shooting someone in the back? Got it.

[MV/Liberace!]

Was this guy Antonio Zambrano-Montes working legally with a permit or was he just another illegal? And if granted the permission to work here, or even bigger question if he was here illegally, why would he throw rocks at the police? Normally a guest acts peacefully and is thankful to be a guest in someone else's home.

In any event I hope the tax-payers won't have to dole out millions in a settlement or go through a lawsuit. And hopefully ICE, or at least Homeland Security, will be checking the documents of those at that rally and at minimum deport his family and seize any assets for which they cannot account immediately to help pay for their deportation and any damages or over-time by the protest(s). Also, the group "Latino Rebels", Latino Advice ("Consejo Latino"), La Raza, etc etc and any other pressure group is properly investigated by the IRS, FBI, and the DHS or even prosecuted under RICO if they are helping, or not reporting, illegals and other criminals or if their finances are not 100% above board.

this could possibly be the stupidest thing i've ever seen you post.  holy shit.

[albrecht]

But you're fine with shooting someone in the back? Got it.

In some circumstances I have no problem with shooting someone in the back. In a war, an escaping dangerous felon from prison, when a sharpshooter takes out a kidnapper, when a soldier or cop at a checkpoint takes out a suicide bomber before they detonate a bomb vest, etc. Many scenarios. In reviewing this circumstance I would say this cop shouldn't have shot the guy and should undergo some more training, be disciplined, or be fired, depending on his previous experiences and record. But the victim's family doesn't deserve millions in a lawsuit, or granted some legal status if they are illegal, since he was committing crimes (Throwing rocks at cars? Why throw rocks at police? And then fleeing?) and committing more crimes if he was here illegally. If his family is illegal they should be deported and their assets seized if they cannot account for them.

The only Federal role here is an investigation of the incident that should involve ICE, DHS, FBI, and IRS and should investigate the victim (and his family's) citizenship status, the protests activists, and the pressure groups- if they are illegal or have financial questionable funding and proper reporting tax-wise.

This whole incident could've been avoided, of course, if he stayed in his home country and didn't throw rocks into traffic, throw rocks at police, and flee. There is a guy in a coma here from some guy(s) who has been throwing rocks off an over-pass and this happens elsewhere to tragic results. Throwing or dropping rocks or bricks into traffic is not "fun" or harmless pass-time and is a serious crime and can kill people. Throwing rocks at police and running is also just plain stupid.
http://www.statesman.com/weblogs/the-blotter/2014/jul/30/apd-person-throwing-rocks-i-35-drivers/
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/woman-hit-face-8-lb-rock-dropped-penn-overpass-article-1.1868125

[Yorkshire pud]

In some circumstances I have no problem with shooting someone in the back. In a war, an escaping dangerous felon from prison, when a sharpshooter takes out a kidnapper, when a soldier or cop at a checkpoint takes out a suicide bomber before they detonate a bomb vest, etc. Many scenarios. In reviewing this circumstance I would say this cop shouldn't have shot the guy and should undergo some more training, be disciplined, or be fired, depending on his previous experiences and record.

Really? I think they should go straight to murder; do not pass Go, do not collect £200. Previous record my arse. The Kray twins loved their mother too.

But the victim's family doesn't deserve millions in a lawsuit, or granted some legal status if they are illegal, since he was committing crimes

You think? Throwing stones doesn't warrant being killed.. Illegal immigrant doesn't warrant murder either. If you think it's justified, I'm glad I don't share the street you live on.

(Throwing rocks at cars? Why throw rocks at police? And then fleeing?) and committing more crimes if he was here illegally. If his family is illegal they should be deported and their assets seized if they cannot account for them.

The only Federal role here is an investigation of the incident that should involve ICE, DHS, FBI, and IRS and should investigate the victim (and his family's) citizenship status, the protests activists, and the pressure groups- if they are illegal or have financial questionable funding and proper reporting tax-wise.

This whole incident could've been avoided, of course, if he stayed in his home country and didn't throw rocks into traffic, throw rocks at police, and flee. There is a guy in a coma here from some guy(s) who has been throwing rocks off an over-pass and this happens elsewhere to tragic results. Throwing or dropping rocks or bricks into traffic is not "fun" or harmless pass-time and is a serious crime and can kill people. Throwing rocks at police and running is also just plain stupid.
http://www.statesman.com/weblogs/the-blotter/2014/jul/30/apd-person-throwing-rocks-i-35-drivers/
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/woman-hit-face-8-lb-rock-dropped-penn-overpass-article-1.1868125

Ahhh, so it's all his fault? Arrest him for any crime he's committed sure; but shoot him in the back when it wasn't warranted? Are you kidding us?

[albrecht]

Really? I think they should go straight to murder; do not pass Go, do not collect £200. Previous record my arse. The Kray twins loved their mother too.
You think? Throwing stones doesn't warrant being killed.. Illegal immigrant doesn't warrant murder either. If you think it's justified, I'm glad I don't share the street you live on.

Ahhh, so it's all his fault? Arrest him for any crime he's committed sure; but shoot him in the back when it wasn't warranted? Are you kidding us?

This guy would be alive if he obeyed many laws. Sadly, he choose to ignore immigration law, throw rocks at cars (I'm glad nobody was killed or injured by those actions. Idiots, often teens, who do this have killed and paralyzed people before. Just because he is an illegal doesn't mean he is allowed to commit other crimes), throw rocks at the police, and then run from the police. Stupid. He didn't deserve to be shot but he could've easily avoided the situation in many ways.

The family deserves nothing, certainly not the millions they will likely get from a settlement, except a free-ride back to their country of origin. Maybe, in the interest of justice, a simple deportation and no delving into their finances, unpaid taxes, how they crossed the border, or other crimes they might have committed. The cop(s) should undergo a review and possible suspension, firing, or trial as determined by the process in place. The only issue the Federal government should look at is how the illegal and his family got here, the legality and citizenship of the protestors, and the finances of the pressure-groups and pro-illegal activists. The shooting itself is a local issue.

[MV/Liberace!]

if people ask me what i am, i'll generally say i'm a libertarian conservative... but i find it perplexing how people who call themselves conservatives can be so anti government while supporting the police no matter how objectionable their behavior.  uhh, the police ARE the government.  this is such a huge inconsistency.  often, the police are a citizen's first contact with the government.  the fact that they make only $35,000 and shop at the same walmart as me doesn't get them a pass.

[MV/Liberace!]

He didn't deserve to be shot but he could've easily avoided the situation in many ways.

at least you're willing to say he didn't deserve to be shot.  i guess that's progress.

he could have avoided the situation, but that logic could be applied to almost any circumstance where the police execute a low level criminal.  ok, yeah, sure... everyone could have stayed in bed that morning and avoided the whole sordid affair.  that's not really a rational argument because it virtually eliminates any standard of justification of lethal force so long as the perp "could have avoided it."  these officers could have easily avoided shooting him. 

crazy guy acts crazy... that's nothing unexpected.  what IS unexpected is a wildly disproportionate response from police officers who are supposedly professionals and in possession of their mental faculties.

i'm sorry, but i just don't want to live in a country where the police can indiscriminately execute people so long as they proclaim themselves to have "felt threatened".  we have due process in this country.  this shit belongs in some tin horn dictatorship on the other side of the world or in south america... not here.

[albrecht]

if people ask me what i am, i'll generally say i'm a libertarian conservative... but i find it perplexing how people who call themselves conservatives can be so anti government while supporting the police no matter how objectionable their behavior.  uhh, the police ARE the government.  this is such a huge inconsistency.  often, the police are a citizen's first contact with the government.  the fact that they make only $35,000 and shop at the same walmart as me doesn't get them a pass.

You might be right to a point. But this guy was not a citizen, apparently. His first contact with the police should've been at the border. And he would likely be alive. And he was committing other crimes. There is a big difference between police just driving around shooting random people and police confronted with people committing crimes or outright attacking them with rocks, or by charging them, etc. At least, until the police state goes further, I've been more a victim of the illegals and other criminals than a victim of the police- as have most people. At least so far. Even "little things" like getting hit twice by an illegal without insurance or license gets old....and rises the costs for all of us. Maybe if the news of this shooting, no matter how tragic, gets around they will think twice of walking across that open-border. At least get some good out of a bad situation. Hopefully his family won't get their millions but I'm sure they have a good abagado, who will get his 1/3, and the city will settle as they usually do.

I'm against the militarization of the police, the increased use of SWAT for normal policing and process service, and the Federal money to (and Federal oversight and equipping of) local police. And think the number one thing that should be done is reform/eliminate the asset forfeiture laws with assets of criminals only being taken once convicted, that the court/jury finds that the assets were a result of the criminal enterprise, and the funds should go into general government spending funds or victim services- not exclusively for the police department. Right now in some areas it is legalized theft where you don't even get charged often if you let your assets or cash get seized.

[onan]

Somebody was purposefully shot and killed (murdered) for throwing a rock ok several rocks.

All the rest is pathetic rhetoric.

[MV/Liberace!]

You might be right to a point. But this guy was not a citizen, apparently. His first contact with the police should've been at the border. And he would likely be alive. And he was committing other crimes. There is a big difference between police just driving around shooting random people and police confronted with people committing crimes or outright attacking them with rocks, or by charging them, etc. At least, until the police state goes further, I've been more a victim of the illegals and other criminals than a victim of the police- as have most people. At least so far. Even "little things" like getting hit twice by an illegal without insurance or license gets old....and rises the costs for all of us. Maybe if the news of this shooting, no matter how tragic, gets around they will think twice of walking across that open-border. At least get some good out of a bad situation. Hopefully his family won't get their millions but I'm sure they have a good abagado, who will get his 1/3, and the city will settle as they usually do.

how you manage to make this guy's immigration status a relevant facet of the case escapes me, but keep digging that hole.  unbelievable.

[albrecht]

how you manage to make this guy's immigration status a relevant facet of the case escapes me, but keep digging that hole.  unbelievable.

If he was never here he would not have been shot. Aside from that obvious point, the fact he was illegal could explain why he would run from the police (afraid of getting caught) or even hurl rocks at them maybe (if he thought he could escape that way.) Though I would think a rational person, especially being an illegal, would figure that throwing rocks even at non-police would be a good way to attract attention, eventually even attract attention from the police. In any event he did and was shot by trigger-happy cop(s) and so will likely make his family, and their abagado, millionaires. And the tax-payers will cover the costs of that settlement, the settlement and legal fees when the cop sues for some unlawful termination or pension, and whatever damages his rock throwing might have done. If he would've stayed home he would be alive and the tax-payers would be saving money.

[onan]

If he was never here he would not have been shot.

Yeah, and women deserve to be raped. Aside from the obvious, two wrongs do not make a right.

[VtaGeezer]

Though I would think a rational person, especially being an illegal, would figure that throwing rocks even at non-police would be a good way to attract attention, eventually even attract attention from the police.
...

I'd be careful about assessing the rationality of others if I were you.

[PB the Deplorable]

There are groups - in Mexico and in the US, including elements within the Mexican government if not the government itself - telling Mexicans they are the rightful owners of California, Texas and the Southwest.  Which of course is meant to get people riled up, which gives power to these shitheel groups like La Raza (the Race).  They call it Aztlan, and want it 'back'

Angry frustrated manipulated teens and young men then go out and throw rocks at our border patrol.  I wonder if this is related.

I don't condone violence.  Or police over-reaction.  And I like the Mexican people I've met - including my relatives, my neighbors, people who work in the local markets I shop at, and so on.  But I also don't have sympathy for criminals out looking for trouble either, zero.  As far as I'm concerned, they get what they get.  The guy was 35, not exactly some clueless kid.  Fuck him.  Another case of good riddance - really, who is out throwing rocks at cops?  What else does he do in his spare time?

Just reading the article and seeing that short clip, it's hard to know what happened - as we learned from watching just a small clip of the Rodney King beating, then seeing the whole thing later.  After throwing rocks, the guy runs, then turns around and takes a step towards the cops - who the hell knows if he's carrying or not?  This certainly should be looked into, but anyone attacking cops... I just don't know what to tell them, other than 'I wouldn't do that if I were you'.  Pretty fucking stupid.

Yes, it needs to be investigated, but to me it doesn't look as cut and dry against the cop as some have posted


We need to control our border, control who comes into our country and who stays.  And deport troublemakers. 

Next up:  10's of thousands of 'refugees' from Syria, yay.

[PB the Deplorable]

''Never let a good crisis go to waste"

Will the propagandists and dividers go with 'Mexican Lives Matter', 'Latin Lives Matter', or, simply, 'Brown Lives Matter'?

[yumyumtree]

There are groups - in Mexico and in the US, including elements within the Mexican government if not the government itself - telling Mexicans they are the rightful owners of California, Texas and the Southwest.  Which of course is meant to get people riled up, which gives power to these shitheel groups like La Raza (the Race).  They call it Aztlan, and want it 'back'

Angry frustrated manipulated teens and young men then go out and throw rocks at our border patrol.  I wonder if this is related.

I don't condone violence.  Or police over-reaction.  And I like the Mexican people I've met - including my relatives, my neighbors, people who work in the local markets I shop at, and so on.  But I also don't have sympathy for criminals out looking for trouble either, zero.  As far as I'm concerned, they get what they get.  The guy was 35, not exactly some clueless kid.  Fuck him.  Another case of good riddance - really, who is out throwing rocks at cops?  What else does he do in his spare time?

Just reading the article and seeing that short clip, it's hard to know what happened - as we learned from watching just a small clip of the Rodney King beating, then seeing the whole thing later.  After throwing rocks, the guy runs, then turns around and takes a step towards the cops - who the hell knows if he's carrying or not?  This certainly should be looked into, but anyone attacking cops... I just don't know what to tell them, other than 'I wouldn't do that if I were you'.  Pretty fucking stupid.

Yes, it needs to be investigated, but to me it doesn't look as cut and dry against the cop as some have posted


We need to control our border, control who comes into our country and who stays.  And deport troublemakers. 

Next up:  10's of thousands of 'refugees' from Syria, yay.

The kid who's prime suspect in that awful murder case on Casino Road here in Everett is from Iraq! His street name is Ali Baghdad, real name Ali Ramadhan, I guess.  I can't make this stuff up. I didn't post about it before because I post so many Puget Sound -centric stories that I'm afraid people will get tired of it. His accomplice was a 17 y/o prostitute who's now 18. It sounds like a deal where the victim was probably baited with intent to rob. People here are pretty angry and I hope this kid hangs, but of course our current governor wants no more death penalty. I don't know why Casino Road has always been so nasty. I go out there to go to Fred Meyer but try to avoid it after dark.
heraldnet.com/article/20150228/NEWS01/150229209/Teens-charged-in-killing-of-Everett-man

[Zoo]

Dear cop lovers here are some fun facts that back your blind love for the police. Also how dangerous their jobs are and how little they make doing it compared to others!!1

http://www.globalresearch.ca/youre-55-times-more-likely-to-be-killed-by-a-police-officer-than-a-terrorist/5434934

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2015/01/28/charted-the-20-deadliest-jobs-in-america/

[PB the Deplorable]

Dear cop lovers here are some fun facts that back your blind love for the police. Also how dangerous their jobs are and how little they make doing it compared to others!!1...

It's just that we despise the criminals more.  -1

[NowhereInTime]

''Never let a good crisis go to waste"

Will the propagandists and dividers go with 'Mexican Lives Matter', 'Latin Lives Matter', or, simply, 'Brown Lives Matter'?

Will you continue to oppose them with "White Power"?

[VtaGeezer]

''Never let a good crisis go to waste"

You and your soul mates are too lost in your blind hate of Obama and his WH to realize how that remark simply reflects the actions of any good manager.  I'm sure Regent Cheney wishes he'd said it.

[albrecht]

"Never let a good crisis go to waste"
You and your soul mates are too lost in your blind hate of Obama and his WH to realize how that remark simply reflects the actions of any good manager.  I'm sure Regent Cheney wishes he'd said it.

Oh, I think it is pretty clear that even if Cheney etc didn't publicly say it they certainly employed the strategy. (And this coming from someone who is about as anti-Obama, due to his stated goal and policy of destruction -sorry "fundamental change"- of the country, as one can get.