Grand Jury decision in "Gentle Giant" or "Thug" police killing made.

[narcissist noory]

And criminals are noble and honest

The difference being the 'sworn in' part
With criminals everyone knows what to expect but with cops you never know what you gonna get

[narcissist noory]

ok back to GNS thread
  love you all!

[narcissist noory]

oh and i would really like someone to explain the reason why SWAT told the babies mother that everything was ok after they flashbanged a crib earlier this year and think really carefully before you answer

[Quick Karl]

I wish there was a database that all police officers could access instantly, this way when some douche bag is wreaking havoc and scumbags that rag on the police because they got busted doing something stupid a few times are hiding behind a police officer, the police officer could find out who's hiding behind them and shove them out into the line of fire or use them as a shield to protect the people that are WORTH protecting...

[analog kid]

Or, he was slapped around at least a dozen times by an aggressive 300 pound man in addition to receiving two solid punches to the jaw, had the muzzle of his own gun twisted and jammed into his hip, and still gave that man every opportunity to surrender as per his training before defending himself rather than being tackled and disabled, and losing control of his weapon a second time.

Can you really be certain which story is true, probably having not gone through all the evidence and testimony presented to the grand jury?

Local officers who interviewed Wilson immediately after the shooting did not tape the interviews, even though it's standard protocol to do so.

The investigator from the St.Louis County Medical Examiner's office arrived at the crime scene. He did not take any measurements or pictures, even though it's standard protocol to do so. The reason provided was that his camera batteries died. Instead, he relied on photographs provided to him by the Ferguson PD.

Wilson was subsequently permitted to drive himself back to the department, unaccompanied. There were no photographs taken of his allegedly bloodied hands before he washed up, even though it's standard protocol to photograph all injuries.

In the same vein, alleged injuries to Wilson's head were photographed by a local detective at the Fraternal Order of the Police building and not at the police department, as is standard protocol.

The medical examiner on the scene failed to find gunpowder residue evidence of the alleged close range shooting. The evidence later appeared during the autopsy.

Perhaps most egregiously, Wilson was allowed to handle and process his own gun as evidence for his own case.

Wilson initially claimed that he fired only one shot from inside his cruiser during his first interviews with investigators, but then his story gradually changed to two shots and multiple misfires during subsequent interviews.

During the three-month inquiry, the prosecutors aggressively cross-examined and challenged all eyewitness accounts (as is their job to do), but Wilson's testimony which went on to form the backbone of what they presented to the Grand Jury has never been challenged in the same way (as is also their job to do).

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/26/us/ferguson-grand-jury-weighed-mass-of-evidence-much-of-it-conflicting.html?_r=1

And Wilson did get savagely beaten by demonic hulking giant, it just didn't leave any marks. It's funny that the only time we trust the testimony of cops is in situations like this, where the story becomes politicised.

[Quick Karl]

Local officers who interviewed Wilson immediately after the shooting did not tape the interviews, even though it's standard protocol to do so.

The investigator from the St.Louis County Medical Examiner's office arrived at the crime scene. He did not take any measurements or pictures, even though it's standard protocol to do so. The reason provided was that his camera batteries died. Instead, he relied on photographs provided to him by the Ferguson PD.

Wilson was subsequently permitted to drive himself back to the department, unaccompanied. There were no photographs taken of his allegedly bloodied hands before he washed up, even though it's standard protocol to photograph all injuries.

In the same vein, alleged injuries to Wilson's head were photographed by a local detective at the Fraternal Order of the Police building and not at the police department, as is standard protocol.

The medical examiner on the scene failed to find gunpowder residue evidence of the alleged close range shooting. The evidence later appeared during the autopsy.

Perhaps most egregiously, Wilson was allowed to handle and process his own gun as evidence for his own case.

Wilson initially claimed that he fired only one shot from inside his cruiser during his first interviews with investigators, but then his story gradually changed to two shots and multiple misfires during subsequent interviews.

During the three-month inquiry, the prosecutors aggressively cross-examined and challenged all eyewitness accounts (as is their job to do), but Wilson's testimony which went on to form the backbone of what they presented to the Grand Jury has never been challenged in the same way (as is also their job to do).

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/26/us/ferguson-grand-jury-weighed-mass-of-evidence-much-of-it-conflicting.html?_r=1

And Wilson did get savagely beaten by demonic hulking giant, it just didn't leave any marks. It's funny that the only time we trust the testimony of cops is in situations like this, where the story becomes politicised.

And OJ  is innocent...

[b_dubb]

And OJ  is innocent...

An intelligent, thoughtful response.  For QK

[GeorgieForPresident2216]

Local officers who interviewed Wilson immediately after the shooting did not tape the interviews, even though it's standard protocol to do so...

There does seem to be some lapses in the way evidence was taken.  However, the medical examiner's job was not to provide evidence, but only to provide some context for the pathologist.  He was not concerned about the dead batteries in his camera for this reason and the fact that the cause of death appeared obvious.  He instructed the crime scene investigator on any photos he needed.

Officer Wilson did make a recorded deposition the morning after the incident.  At that time he claimed to have shot twice from the vehicle. The first time through the door.  He didn't specify the positioning for the second shot (just that he had the gun on his lap, it came up, and he shot in Brown's general direction) but he believed he had missed.  At that time he also claimed to have pulled the trigger unsuccessfully twice before getting the first shot off, but said Brown's hand was probably blocking the firing mechanism.  He claimed an additional misfire before the second shot.  Other shots were fired at distance between 10 and 25 feet according to that interview.  From those statements it is not surprising there were no powder burns found by the medical examiner.  I didn't know about later evidence that some were found.

I'm also dubious about the claim that Officer Wilson drove himself back given that his vehicle remained at the scene.

[Gd5150]

Local witnesses and fellow gentle giants and giantesses all confirmed Wilson's version of the story to the grand jury. Nuff said.

It's funny that the only time we trust the testimony of cops is in situations like this, where the story becomes politicised.

Hmmm, I wonder who politicized it.

[WOTR]

And, disturbingly, this event is bound to make some police hesitate before taking lethal action that might save themselves and innocent victims.

You don't honestly believe that, do you?  In the heat of the moment, in a struggle for their life, with a suspect kicking them, punching them and ready to shoot them- you honestly think that they are going to pause and think "what about Feruson?"  After that they are going to stop and contemplate the implications of firing, thus leaving time for the suspect to kill them?  And you believe this is going to occur over and over again leading to dozens of dead officers and innocent victims?

[Quick Karl]

An intelligent, thoughtful response.  For QK

Says the Albert Einstein of Bellgab...

I bet 98% of the country believes OJ sliced Nichole and Ron's throats - but I must have missed it when all the white neighborhoods burned, along with the response from the white communities to start trying to grab cops guns or charge a cop when he's holding a gun on you.

I can only speak for myself but, lets say you decided to "man-up" and start wraslin with a cop and you tried to take the cops gun away from him and near the end of your fracas the cop was going to DO HIS JOB and arrest you but you thought you were Mean Joe Greene so you charged him and he blew your head off -- presuming you are white, I would laugh at your stupid ass for being a fucking moron.

Much like I do at most of your posts.

This entire episode is proof that Darwin was right: the stupid wind up dead, or something to that effect...

[analog kid]

There does seem to be some lapses in the way evidence was taken.  However, the medical examiner's job was not to provide evidence, but only to provide some context for the pathologist.  He was not concerned about the dead batteries in his camera for this reason and the fact that the cause of death appeared obvious.  He instructed the crime scene investigator on any photos he needed.

The forensic examiner broke protocol by failing to take crime scene photos.  The claim was that the batteries "died" at the crime scene but then worked a short while later when they photographed Wilson's face.

Officer Wilson did make a recorded deposition the morning after the incident.  At that time he claimed to have shot twice from the vehicle. The first time through the door.  He didn't specify the positioning for the second shot (just that he had the gun on his lap, it came up, and he shot in Brown's general direction) but he believed he had missed.  At that time he also claimed to have pulled the trigger unsuccessfully twice before getting the first shot off, but said Brown's hand was probably blocking the firing mechanism.  He claimed an additional misfire before the second shot.  Other shots were fired at distance between 10 and 25 feet according to that interview.  From those statements it is not surprising there were no powder burns found by the medical examiner.  I didn't know about later evidence that some were found.

Wilson's testimony changed three time and he was allowed to destroy evidence before it was photographed or fingerprinted. Ferguson Police lied about the distance Mike Brown was from Officer Wilson when he was killed. They reported it was 35 ft. but it was in fact 148 ft.

I'm also dubious about the claim that Officer Wilson drove himself back given that his vehicle remained at the scene.

“He drove himself back to the station because other [officers] were going to the scene. He realized that he had blood on him. It was getting sticky and it was gross and he didn’t know if it was his or Brown’s,” --Jim Towey, one of Wilson’s attorneys [source]

Local witnesses and fellow gentle giants and giantesses all confirmed Wilson's version of the story to the grand jury. Nuff said.

Not true. And six separate eyewitnesses, four of whom have never met each other, all have identical accounts of what happened. They were never interviewed by police. These eyewitnesses all agree that Darren Wilson was the aggressor and that Mike Brown was shot while surrendering, with his hands in the air and that his last words were “I don’t have a gun. Stop shooting.” [source]

Hmmm, I wonder who politicized it.

A response loaded with partisan finger pointing isn't going to help your position.

[b_dubb]

A response loaded with partisan finger pointing isn't going to help your position.

This thread may as well be named "partisan finger pointing". Fuck ... the whole forum.

[WOTR]

A response loaded with partisan finger pointing isn't going to help your position.

Thank you for posting sources.  I have not followed this all that closely, so I just get regurgitated mass media exposure.  Also, some opinions here (though that is exactly what most of the posts- including mine amount to... opinion.)  It is nice to see actual links to sources for a change- and it was interesting to read some of them.

[GeorgieForPresident2216]

The forensic examiner broke protocol by failing to take crime scene photos.  The claim was that the batteries "died" at the crime scene but then worked a short while later when they photographed Wilson's face.

The medical investigator took pictures of Wilson?  He never even saw Wilson.  He went back to the Medical Examiner's office to write his report. He said there was no protocol for him to have charged batteries.  He said the purpose of his pictures were "Anywhere from two to four pictures.  No more than that.  Just trying to give the pathologist a picture of what is going on when this person died." and "I'm just there for the body.  Just trying to let the pathologist know he's here, there are other things there, this is what's going on with the body."  If you read the medical investigator's whole testimony, you quickly realize he has minimum training and isn't there to document the crime scene.  The Crime Scene Detective, on the other had, took videos and 161 pictures.

Wilson's testimony changed three time and he was allowed to destroy evidence before it was photographed or fingerprinted. Ferguson Police lied about the distance Mike Brown was from Officer Wilson when he was killed. They reported it was 35 ft. but it was in fact 148 ft.

All the information I gave you in my last post, I took straight from Wilson's interview the morning after the incident.  It was consistent with the 'eventual' testimony you said that he made, and consistent with the evidence.  And yes, Wilson claimed he was about 20 feet or so away when he started shooting after the initial confrontation in the Tahoe.  That is not contradictory to your picture of the 148 feet from the vehicle.  He pursed Brown.  I quote from his statement a day after the shooting:

"I didn't run as far as him.  I stopped and I gave our [sic] self at least a 20-foot gap between me and him.  'cause when he stopped running I stopped running.  He had already had a head start on me and I maintained that distance whenever he stopped.  So, I don't know the exact... I can't give you a num... a number."  And then he talks about backing up about ten feet as Brown charged him.

In response to "...what was that distance...,"

"I did not maintain it.  It did get closer but not at the rate at which it could've if I had stood still.  I was backing up.  When he started running, I started backing up after the first round of shots and he still hadn't gone down and was still coming just as fast as he was, I backed up at a faster rate.  The entire time I was going backwards." and

"'cause if I would've stayed where I stopped and he, like where we originally started at that point.  If I would've stayed he would've been on me."

No contradiction.  No changing of the story.

[Quick Karl]

If the mean white officer just wanted to kill a random sweet black kid that was minding his own business, why did he wait until the sweet black kid was charging at him to shoot him?

I mean, since the entire law enforcement and legal system in Ferguson is obviously covering up for the Officer, and in fact fully supports random killings of sweet black kids, just because they're black, why didn't the Officer just shoot the moron sooner? Maybe he should have just rolled up on the sweet black kid and shot him and avoided the wrestling match altogether?

[Marc.Knight]

If the mean white officer just wanted to kill a random sweet black kid that was minding his own business, why did he wait until the sweet black kid was charging at him to shoot him?

I mean, since the entire law enforcement and legal system in Ferguson is obviously covering up for the Officer, and in fact fully supports random killings of sweet black kids, just because they're black, why didn't the Officer just shoot the moron sooner? Maybe he should have just rolled up on the sweet black kid and shot him and avoided the wrestling match altogether?

How dare you suggest that the officer might have had justification?  The sweet black kid only robbed a convenience store, beat a police officer repeatedly in the head and grappled for the officer's handgun... (according to black witnesses). 


Kidding aside, I am astonished by some of the media's crazy assertions of racism.  Stop breaking the law and the police will leave you alone.  That goes for everyone in a civilized society.

[b_dubb]

robbery and assault are reasons to arrest. not shot 6 times. 

[Marc.Knight]

robbery and assault are reasons to arrest. not shot 6 times.

Well, if a suspect in a robbery tries unsuccessfully to take your gun, and then charges at you again... What's the cop supposed to do, surrender? 


Try conducting hand to hand combat with a loaded gun in your hand.  Your statement is valid in a different context, not this one unfortunately.

[albrecht]

More "gentle giants?" Anyone reckon there will press conferences or a hate-crime investigation from Obama's administration?
http://www.cnn.com/2014/11/30/us/st-louis-man-dead-hammers/
http://www.ksdk.com/story/news/crime/2014/12/01/bosnian-community-upset-brutal-murder/19725065/
But since the guy legally came here, and due to the race of the perps, I would imagine Obama could care less about what happened.

[Marc.Knight]

More "gentle giants?" Anyone reckon there will press conferences or a hate-crime investigation from Obama's administration?
http://www.cnn.com/2014/11/30/us/st-louis-man-dead-hammers/
http://www.ksdk.com/story/news/crime/2014/12/01/bosnian-community-upset-brutal-murder/19725065/
But since the guy legally came here, and due to the race of the perps, I would imagine Obama could care less about what happened.

he's not the right immigrant nationality, and the wrong skin color to get any real attention to the matter.

[b_dubb]

Well, if a suspect in a robbery tries unsuccessfully to take your gun, and then charges at you again... What's the cop supposed to do, surrender? 


Try conducting hand to hand combat with a loaded gun in your hand.  Your statement is valid in a different context, not this one unfortunately.

retreat. wait for back up.  he was in his car.  all he had to do was accelerate.  this was ALL avoidable.  forget whether it was legal or illegal to shoot Brown.  let's talk about outcomes.  the current outcome might be the worst possible outcome.  the whole country is in varying states of uproar.  why?  because an unarmed man was shot.  avoidable.

[Quick Karl]

A liberal is like a guy with an unproven idea and no skin in the game that approaches an angel investor and asks for the money to start the venture.

The angel investor's first question is "how much of your own money are you putting in?"

The liberal says "none, I don't have any."

The angel investor says "go fuck yourself."

The liberal takes the angel investor to court for being a racist white Republican that wants to kill random sweet black boys...

[Marc.Knight]

retreat. wait for back up.  he was in his car.  all he had to do was accelerate.  this was ALL avoidable.  forget whether it was legal or illegal to shoot Brown.  let's talk about outcomes.  the current outcome might be the worst possible outcome.  the whole country is in varying states of uproar.  why?  because an unarmed man was shot.  avoidable.

Respectfully, you need to consider the realities of police responsibilities.  This guy was a robbery suspect, not just someone jaywalking or speeding.  The cop probably would have been fired if he "retreated".  A robbery suspect is considered extremely dangerous to the public and to other law enforcement.  The cop could have retreated, but he'd potentially put civilians at risk if he did that.  There is no easy way to analyze this, other than for thugs to stop breaking the law, and to not be surprised by potential outcomes.  This issue, one of a criminal and law enforcement, has been overridden by black and white racial nonsense.

[Quick Karl]

Thou shalt NOT rob convenience stores.

Thou shalt NOT attack a Police Office.

Thou shalt NOT try to take a Police Officer's gun.

Thou shalt NOT charge a Police Officer that is pointing a gun at you while giving you a LAWFUL ORDER.

If you are too stupid to comprehend that you deserve to be killed.

[b_dubb]

Thou shalt NOT rob convenience stores.

Thou shalt NOT attack a Police Office.

Thou shalt NOT try to take a Police Officer's gun.

Thou shalt NOT charge a Police Officer that is pointing a gun at you while giving you a LAWFUL ORDER.

If you are too stupid to comprehend that you deserve to be killed.

fuck off Karl Quick you fascist piece of shit


if the police can't follow the law why the fuck should anyone else

[VtaGeezer]

Conservatives should try reading the transcript instead of being automatic cheerleaders for the police.  I'm about 1/3 through it. The "investigation" by the county was a joke. The fundamental basis for the shooting was Wilson's claim that Brown grabbed his gun.  The gun was left in Wilson's custody for hours and not bagged at the scene as key evidence.  Same for Wilson's SUV...he drove it back to the station alone.  Wilson was allowed to wash up before any blood or DNA evidence could be collected or photos taken.  The cops who interviewed him after the shooting didn't record it. These "errors" alone by the locals make the whole process stink to high heaven.  All the GJ witnesses, including those now backing up Wilson's story, are anonymous.   And no advocate for Brown was permitted; Wilson testified for 4 hours with no challenge to his story while the prosecutors led him and allowed him to "rephrase" when his facts got shaky.   

The prosecutor presented this mess to the GJ without challenge, plus dumped a pile of hearsay and irrelevancies about Brown on them.  I've been on a grand jury and on a criminal jury...the GJ makeup is worse than typical juries because its thick with people with lots of free time.  The prosecutor went to the GJ, whom he could easily bamboozle, instead of the typical arraignment before a judge.  A judge would probably have dismissed the charges too...but after ripping the cops and prosecutor new assholes for an incompetent investigation.  I'll give the local yokels the benefit of the doubt and say the investigation was just incompetent vs. "fixed".  I think the FBI report is going to shred the MO tinhorns.

The excuse is that grand jury "acted in good faith".  BFD; so did the Emmett Till jury.

[Marc.Knight]

Conservatives should try reading the transcript instead of being automatic cheerleaders for the police.  I'm about 1/3 through it. The "investigation" by the county was a joke. The fundamental basis for the shooting was Wilson's claim that Brown grabbed his gun.  The gun was left in Wilson's custody for hours and not bagged at the scene as key evidence.  Same for Wilson's SUV...he drove it back to the station alone.  Wilson was allowed to wash up before any blood or DNA evidence could be collected or photos taken.  The cops who interviewed him after the shooting didn't record it. These "errors" alone by the locals make the whole process stink to high heaven.  All the GJ witnesses, including those now backing up Wilson's story, are anonymous.   And no advocate for Brown was permitted; Wilson testified for 4 hours with no challenge to his story while the prosecutors led him and allowed him to "rephrase" when his facts got shaky.   

The prosecutor presented this mess to the GJ without challenge, plus dumped a pile of hearsay and irrelevancies about Brown on them.  I've been on a grand jury and on a criminal jury...the GJ makeup is worse than typical juries because its thick with people with lots of free time.  The prosecutor went to the GJ, whom he could easily bamboozle, instead of the typical arraignment before a judge.  A judge would probably have dismissed the charges too...but after ripping the cops and prosecutor new assholes for an incompetent investigation.  I'll give the local yokels the benefit of the doubt and say the investigation was just incompetent vs. "fixed".  I think the FBI report is going to shred the MO tinhorns.

The excuse is that grand jury "acted in good faith".  BFD; so did the Emmett Till jury.

If this is the case then the ensuing Federal process will have an opportunity to right some of the wrongs in the investigative process. 

[FightTheFuture]

Guess who beamed down from the mother ship to incite some riots?


Calypso Louieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee







Farrakhan Speaks: Ferguson and The law of retaliation

[Marc.Knight]

Guess who beamed down from the mother ship to incite some riots?


Calypso Louieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee







Farrakhan Speaks: Ferguson and The law of retaliation

another waste of oxygen.