Do You Believe In GOD

[zeebo]

I think it's great how god always meant what the church thinks at any given time in history, regardless of contradiction...

Well see the church wants to push you to be a better person, push you to follow the rules, push you to pray and donate and do bible study and, and .... but if they push you too hard, they gotta sweeten the deal to pull you back in. 

There's a tele-church I see on cable sometimes that's found a way to lure back in the youngsters by promoting the edgy street-wise culture/fashion/lifestyle of metal music and skateboarding and extreme sports etc.  Don't think that was part of the original plan.

This is worship music, complete with rock riffs and trucker hats.  When the consumer changes, you gotta change the product.


Break Free - Hillsong United - Live in Miami - with subtitles/lyrics

[DigitalPigSnuggler]

http://www.cnet.com/news/stephen-hawking-makes-it-clear-there-is-no-god/

"Hawking now explained: "What I meant by 'we would know the mind of God' is, we would know everything that God would know, if there were a God. Which there isn't. I'm an atheist."

He added: "Religion believes in miracles, but these aren't compatible with science."

[...]

Hawking's been tending toward such an absolute pronouncement for a while. In a speech last year, he offered an explanation of how the world came to being without God. He mused: "What was God doing before the divine creation? Was he preparing hell for people who asked such questions?""

You go girl

[aldousburbank]

This is worship music, complete with rock riffs and trucker hats.  When the consumer changes, you gotta change the product.

http://youtu.be/8TsL0DO-c1E

[b_dubb]

I like what Ian Punnett called contemporary Christian music: Jesus Is My Boyfriend music. And if you saw "Saved" you'd recall the ridulous nonsense the principal/pastor uttered at the beginning of the film: "Are you ready to get jiggy with the Lord?"

[Kelt]

That sounds very COE... for a while back in the 80s and 90s there was a new breed of COE Priests who were the 'With It And Hip', and pandered to the younger generation.  Hanging out with the kids, spending time with the kids, going to the skateboard park with the kids.

Of course this was all before we knew what priests were up to with the kids, and then I think laws were passed and suchlike.

[Avi]

"Are you ready to get jiggy with the Lord?"

Even better to get slip-jiggy with the Lard. After all, 9/8 is purely divine.

[DigitalPigSnuggler]

They`ve been asked. they have no answers to explain it. Well, I should say, some have no answers. The ones that have spent much of their lives studying it DO know how it was created. It was supernatural energy that created it. EXACTLY as described in the Holy Bible when Jesus rose from the dead after 3 days (and there`s considerable evidence of that event as well).

Where's your shroud now?

http://news.discovery.com/history/archaeology/early-image-of-beardless-jesus-found-141003.htm?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=DNewsSocial

"Engraved on a glass plate (called a paten) which dates back to the 4th century A.D., Jesus is depicted beardless and with short, curly hair. He wears what appears to be a philosopher’s toga and is flanked by two equally beardless male characters, thought to be the apostles Peter and Paul. All men have halos over their heads."

[aldousburbank]

Where's your shroud now?

http://news.discovery.com/history/archaeology/early-image-of-beardless-jesus-found-141003.htm?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=DNewsSocial

"Engraved on a glass plate (called a paten) which dates back to the 4th century A.D., Jesus is depicted beardless and with short, curly hair. He wears what appears to be a philosopher’s toga and is flanked by two equally beardless male characters, thought to be the apostles Peter and Paul. All men have halos over their heads."

Wait, I and I didn't just hear you infer that Our Lord has short hair   did   we?  Take it back blasphemer!!!

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[DigitalPigSnuggler]

Wait, I and I didn't just hear you infer that Our Lord has short hair   did   we?  Take it back blasphemer!!!

The story goes that "supernatural energy" from the resurrection created the image on the shroud.  Ergo, the image was present when the shroud was found without Jesus in it.  "Holy shit!" I can hear the finder say (translated from Aramaic), "It's a picture of Jesus fuckin Christ!"

So how is it that there was no consensus about the appearance of Jesus until oh about 1300 when the documented history of the shrouds existence begins?  Why is it that the co-miracle of the shroud image is NEVER mentioned by ANYONE prior to 1300?

[aldousburbank]

The story goes that "supernatural energy" from the resurrection created the image on the shroud.  Ergo, the image was present when the shroud was found without Jesus in it.  "Holy shit!" I can hear the finder say (translated from Aramaic), "It's a picture of Jesus fuckin Christ!"

So how is it that there was no consensus about the appearance of Jesus until oh about 1300 when the documented history of the shrouds existence begins?  Why is it that the co-miracle of the shroud image is NEVER mentioned by ANYONE prior to 1300?

Because in those days the Polaroid image took a lot longer to develop. Duh.

[DigitalPigSnuggler]

Because in those days the Polaroid image took a lot longer to develop. Duh.

Okay, I hadn't considered that.

[Robert Ghostwolf's Ghost]

Then there's the lesser known "Shroud of Urine," a closely guarded Vatican secret that is said to prove Jesus was a bed wetter.

[FightTheFuture]

Where's your shroud now?

http://news.discovery.com/history/archaeology/early-image-of-beardless-jesus-found-141003.htm?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=DNewsSocial

"Engraved on a glass plate (called a paten) which dates back to the 4th century A.D., Jesus is depicted beardless and with short, curly hair. He wears what appears to be a philosopher’s toga and is flanked by two equally beardless male characters, thought to be the apostles Peter and Paul. All men have halos over their heads."

You do know there are a number of depictions of Jesus that predate this paten, right? Or, then again, maybe you don't know. And they also depict Jesus without a beard. So what? I think it's safe to say that there were periods in Jesus' life that he was with out a beard, and times when he was with a beard.

Interestingly, we also have images of Jesus on Roman coins copied from the Shroud image. Fascinating, isn't it? Now, how could those silly ol' Romans copy the image from a shroud that, according to you and some scientists, did not exist?

Look, you can't explain it, and neither can the top scientists of the world. Well, again, actually they can explain it. But I suspect they are afraid of the answer. As are you, apparently.


Oh, btw, the shroud is mentioned as early as Paul's writings. He wrote to Timothy, to bring the shroud to Rome so he could show the Romans. You know, back in those days the Shroud was like showing someone a video today. That was big evidence.

[area51drone]

Jesus definitely had a beard when they nailed that fucker to the cross.  Get it right DPS.  Sheesh.

[Kelt]

You do know there are a number of depictions of Jesus that predate this paten, right? Or, then again, maybe you don't know. And they also depict Jesus without a beard. So what? I think it's safe to say that there were periods in Jesus' life that he was with out a beard, and times when he was with a beard.

Interestingly, we also have images of Jesus on Roman coins copied from the Shroud image. Fascinating, isn't it? Now, how could those silly ol' Romans copy the image from a shroud that, according to you and some scientists, did not exist?

Look, you can't explain it, and neither can the top scientists of the world. Well, again, actually they can explain it. But I suspect they are afraid of the answer. As are you, apparently.


Oh, btw, the shroud is mentioned as early as Paul's writings. He wrote to Timothy, to bring the shroud to Rome so he could show the Romans. You know, back in those days the Shroud was like showing someone a video today. That was big evidence.

lol.

[area51drone]

You do know there are a number of depictions of Jesus that predate this paten, right? Or, then again, maybe you don't know. And they also depict Jesus without a beard. So what? I think it's safe to say that there were periods in Jesus' life that he was with out a beard, and times when he was with a beard.

Interestingly, we also have images of Jesus on Roman coins copied from the Shroud image. Fascinating, isn't it? Now, how could those silly ol' Romans copy the image from a shroud that, according to you and some scientists, did not exist?

Look, you can't explain it, and neither can the top scientists of the world. Well, again, actually they can explain it. But I suspect they are afraid of the answer. As are you, apparently.


Oh, btw, the shroud is mentioned as early as Paul's writings. He wrote to Timothy, to bring the shroud to Rome so he could show the Romans. You know, back in those days the Shroud was like showing someone a video today. That was big evidence.

How is it that the shroud proves anything?  Even if it's real, it's just a picture of a dead guy.  Not a risen from the dead guy.

[FightTheFuture]

Well, here come the usual suspects.

Talk about a textbook Pavlovian response.

Enjoy, enjoyers

[DigitalPigSnuggler]

You do know there are a number of depictions of Jesus that predate this paten, right? Or, then again, maybe you don't know. And they also depict Jesus without a beard. So what? I think it's safe to say that there were periods in Jesus' life that he was with out a beard, and times when he was with a beard.

LOL

Interestingly, we also have images of Jesus on Roman coins copied from the Shroud image. Fascinating, isn't it? Now, how could those silly ol' Romans copy the image from a shroud that, according to you and some scientists, did not exist?

Really?   Post a link to one of those images.

Oh, btw, the shroud is mentioned as early as Paul's writings. He wrote to Timothy, to bring the shroud to Rome so he could show the Romans. You know, back in those days the Shroud was like showing someone a video today. That was big evidence.

So it is mentioned in the bible, you say?  Swell.  Post the text.  Why are you being so coy about this?  Maybe it's because when you HAVE posted your support in the past, it's been shown to be wishful thinking at best and outright bunkum at worst.  Once burned, twice shy, eh?

There are plenty of references to a burial shroud of Jesus, but the first conclusive reference to what is known today as the Shroud of Turin occurred in 1390, when a Bishop wrote a memo to the Antipope Clement VII, declaring the shroud a forgery and that the artist who made it had confessed to the same.  Oops!  And there are at least SEVEN churches in Europe that also claim to have Jesus' burial cloth, or parts of it.  How is that possible, I wonder?

[Kelt]

Well, here come the usual suspects.

Talk about a textbook Pavlovian response.

Enjoy, enjoyers

Just out of interest, can you supply a link showing a copy of the shroud on Roman coins?

[DigitalPigSnuggler]

Just out of interest, can you supply a link showing a copy of the shroud on Roman coins?

Just to be clear, he said a copy of the IMAGE of Jesus on the shroud.

[DigitalPigSnuggler]

Talk about a textbook Pavlovian response.

You seem really irritated that people don't simply accept your fantastic claims without objection, which seems to be how you acquired them.  Your supporting evidence has been debunked over and over again; why should we believe anything that you claim?

[Kelt]

Just to be clear, he said a copy of the IMAGE of Jesus on the shroud.

I'm not fussy, since I'm pretty sure it's not true under any criteria.

[Robert Ghostwolf's Ghost]

I have a buddy who maintains that the image on the Shroud of Turin is actually the Zig Zag man.

[Kelt]

I have a buddy who maintains that the image on the Shroud of Turin is actually the Zig Zag man.

It actually looks a lot like George Harrison circa 1972.

[DigitalPigSnuggler]

It actually looks a lot like George Harrison circa 1972.

Or this guy...

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[Kelt]

Or even Detroit's own

[DigitalPigSnuggler]

Oh, btw, the shroud is mentioned as early as Paul's writings.

Earlier, even.  Let's see what the gospels have to say about Jesus' burial shroud:

John 19:40 -- Then took they the body of Jesus, and wound it in linen clothes with the spices, as the manner of the Jews is to bury.

"Wound it in linen" where can you see any evidence of that in the shroud image?  No winding, and no trace of spices found on it, either.

John 20:3-7 -- Peter therefore went forth, and that other disciple, and came to the sepulchre.  So they ran both together: and the other disciple did outrun Peter, and came first to the sepulchre.  And he stooping down, and looking in, saw the linen clothes lying; yet went he not in.  Then cometh Simon Peter following him, and went into the sepulchre, and seeth the linen clothes lie, And the napkin, that was about his head, not lying with the linen clothes, but wrapped together in a place by itself.

So there was a separate piece of linen wound around Jesus' head.  Not seen in the shroud, though.

Luke 24:12 -- Then arose Peter, and ran unto the sepulchre; and stooping down, he beheld the linen clothes laid by themselves, and departed, wondering in himself at that which was come to pass.

Luke also referring to the linen in the plural.

John 20:24-27 -- This is the "doubting Thomas" passage, where Jesus urges Thomas to feel the nail holes in his hands.  The shroud shows a nail wound in the wrist, not in the hands.

As for Paul...well, there's this little ditty from First Corinthians 11:14 --  Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him?

Pretty bold words for someone talking about Jesus, isn't it?  Since according to the shroud, Jesus had that shameful long hair.

I guess this is the part where we play "see no evil" and ignore inconvenient passages found in God's Holy Word.

[Robert Ghostwolf's Ghost]

Just in case you didn't already know. 

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[Robert Ghostwolf's Ghost]

Or even Detroit's own

He didn't always have a beard, either.

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[Kelt]

Still waiting for that link to the Roman Coins, btw.