Do You Believe In GOD

[zeebo]

With the Buddhist monks and unbaptized babies.

And all the remote tribespeople the missionaries missed. 

[pyewacket]

With the Buddhist monks and unbaptized babies.

The Catholics believe that unbaptized babies go to limbo/limbus- "the edge of Hell". Don't forget  Purgatory- "Hell's Front Porch" as the nuns used to say. Maybe we could find a loophole and go to limbo- do they limbo in limbo? Could be a party if we try.

[Avi]

And all the remote tribespeople the missionaries missed.

And all the remote tribespeople who ate missionaries.

[pate]

I always vote for Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny...

[WildCard]

onan, you're a genius.. there should be a "Do You Believe in SANTA CLAUS" thread for certain.  I'll let you start it since you're the one who thought it up.

If he does, I'm startin the - "Jesus Christ - Greatest.Pagan.Ever!" thread.
Don't push me! You know I'll do it!

Your parents would of hated him. That's a quality I look for in all my idols, (my parents, I mean. I don't really care what your parents hate).

If folks are contending that the Resurrection of Jesus was somehow lifted from pagan mythology, well, they would be pretty lonely in that belief. There`s probably not 5 or 6 scholars in the world today (out of thousands!), that would argue that contention. And, further, the ones that do, probably are complete fringe elements without a handful of peer reviewed essays.

The idea must of been out there in the 40's . . .  whenever Lewis talked/wrote about it - based on what we were learning about world mythologies.
Today - Achyra S/D. M. Murdock. Yeah, shes fringe.
edit: not snark, she's not mainstream anything.

[DigitalPigSnuggler]

No one is going to prove anything here. 

But wait!  In your post just before this one, you insisted that I...

supply links to information that supports your position.

So which is it?

[Avi]

. . .  whenever Lewis talked/wrote about it...

Aw, Lewis wrote such beautiful and deeply human (and humane) stuff, oh, I dunno, like this:

There are no ordinary people. You have never talked to a mere mortal. Nations, cultures, arts, civilizations â€" these are mortal, and their life is to ours as the life of a gnat. But it is immortals whom we joke with, work with, marry, snub and exploit â€" immortal horrors or everlasting splendors. This does not mean that we are to be perpetually solemn. We must play. But our merriment must be of that kind (and it is, in fact, the merriest kind) which exists between people who have, from the outset, taken each other seriously â€" no flippancy, no superiority, no presumption.

[GeorgieForPresident2216]

And all the remote tribespeople who ate missionaries.

Good to know that missionaries had some value to those ancient cultures.

[Avi]

Good to know that missionaries had some value to those ancient cultures.

Even worse, first they told their prey, "You sure got a purty mouth." Cue the banjos - or maybe the gamelan?

[b_dubb]

But wait!  In your post just before this one, you insisted that I...

So which is it?

We have believers and atheists here. So both.

[Tarbaby]

But wait!  In your post just before this one, you insisted that I...

So which is it?

The sense I got from b_dubb was a call for more civility. I can get behind that.

But on this issue of proof that b_dubb alludes to and FTF openly Confidently refutes, I find that disheartening. Because the actual facts of the issue are unambiguous and available to anyone who does the research. All religions have predecessors and Christianity is certainly no exception. The tenets and dogma are borrowed from many many previous religions. Going back into antiquity. So, while I genuinely respect and admire FTF's spirit I'm afraid his or her "facts" are just wrong. Drawn from Finnair from a place inside a belief system. And any scholars cited are also firm believers of that belief system and distort whatever historical or academic writing they analyze or fabricate and exclude external texts. Perhaps a plunge into comparative religions would be helpful for everyone. The eye-opener for me wasn't anyone's teaching or instruction but rather when I saw for myself the beliefs of ancient religions. Another good source for study would be Joseph Campbell's work.
  Yes, we are not going to prove anything ear or convert anyone, but it is not the job of DPS or me to convert our educate anyone. You (generic you) are responsible for your own education. Don't just claim a truth that you really don't have. Go out into the world, outside your own belief system, and look for truth with the utmost intellectual honesty you can muster.

At the end of the process you will  have a better Birdseye view: you will see your comforting fantasy cartoon religion that society taught you, and you will also have access to a truer more empirical universe. At that point you can still decide whether you want to enjoy the comfort of a false belief system or can live better with a worldview not based on magic.  For me truth wins out. And by that I mean oh the cartoon imagery of organized religion is basically rubbish and we have to deal with THAT Truth. And emerge into the light of adulthood.

[Avi]

The sense I got from b_dubb was a call for more civility. I can get behind that.

But on this issue of proof that b_dubb alludesto and FTF openly refutes, I find that disheartening. Because the actual facts of the issue are unambiguous and available to anyone who does the research. All religions have predecessors and Christianity is certainly no exception. The tenets and dogma are borrowed from many many previous religions. Going back into antiquity. So, while I genuinely respect and admire FTF's spirit I'm afraid his or her "facts" are just wrong. Drawn from Finnair from a place inside a belief system. And any scholars cited are also firm believers of that belief system and distort whatever historical or academic writing they analyze or fabricate and exclude external texts. Perhaps a plunge into comparative religions would be helpful for everyone. The eye-opener for me wasn't anyone's teaching or instruction but rather when I saw for myself the beliefs of ancient religions. Another good source for study would be Joseph Campbell's work.
  Yes, we are not going to prove anything ear or convert anyone, but it is not the job of DPS or me to convert our educate anyone. You (generic you) are responsible for your own education. Don't just claim a truth that you really don't have. Go out into the world, outside your own belief system, and look for truth with the utmost intellectual honesty you can muster.

At the end of the process you will  have a better Birdseye view: you will see your comforting fantasy cartoon religion that society taught you, and you will also have access to a truer more empirical universe. At that point you can still decide whether you want to enjoy the comfort of a false belief system or can live better with a worldview not based on magic.  For me truth wins out. And by that I mean oh the cartoon imagery of organized religion is basically rubbish and we have to deal with THAT Truth. And emerge into the light of adulthood.

And the Creator doth speaketh: Oy! Lighten up, Bra!

[zeebo]

Good to know that missionaries had some value to those ancient cultures.

Nutritional value?

[zeebo]

The sense I got from b_dubb was a call for more civility. I can get behind that....

Sure, why not, it's always nice to try new things.   

[GeorgieForPresident2216]

Nutritional value?

Exactly.  It's pretty difficult to perpetuate an ancient culture when food is too scarce.

[DigitalPigSnuggler]

We have believers and atheists here. So both.

"Whatever you do will be insignificant, but it is very important that you do it." 

I never put much stock in that quote, whatever form it takes.

I think you'd contradict yourself less often if you'd sack up and admit that you have a beef with me, rather than pretending there's some larger and better issue you're pushing.

[b_dubb]

I have a beef with you. Now is it within your power to be respectful of others?

[DigitalPigSnuggler]

Now is it within your power to be respectful of others?

Of course it is, Cheeto-breath.

[b_dubb]

That's Mr Cheeto Breath to you

[DigitalPigSnuggler]

That's Mr Cheeto Breath to you

[Tarbaby]

And the Creator doth speaketh: Oy! Lighten up, Bra!

A little more respect if you please. But I still love you, go and sin no more.

[DigitalPigSnuggler]

ITT: obsequious allegiance to civility

[Tarbaby]

Yeah, it's called civilization. I doubt it will catch on.

[ksm32]

YEAH?

I had to use the C word to finally get in the top right corner.  That's MV playing God right there.

[UnscreenedCaller]

The Catholics believe that unbaptized babies go to limbo/limbus- "the edge of Hell". Don't forget  Purgatory- "Hell's Front Porch" as the nuns used to say. Maybe we could find a loophole and go to limbo- do they limbo in limbo? Could be a party if we try.

The church has done a 180 ixnay on the imbo-lay, and so now presumably, there are no more kiddies or unbaptized doing the limbo in limbo. Big sigh of relief

[Kelt]

The church has done a 180 ixnay on the imbo-lay, and so now presumably, there are no more kiddies or unbaptized doing the limbo in limbo. Big sigh of relief

I think it's great how god always meant what the church thinks at any given time in history, regardless of contradiction.

I think that's proof of god right there. It doesn't matter what you believe, it's always in direct agreement with what god intended.

[UnscreenedCaller]

I think it's great how god always meant what the church thinks at any given time in history, regardless of contradiction.

As I understand it, it was a situation like this that lead to my own mother's loss of faith - the day the church allowed people to eat meat on Friday. She wanted to know what happened to all the people in hell who did eat meat, now that it was Okey dokey. "Well, I guess they're shit out of luck" was the conclusion that lifted the veil, permanently. 

[ksm32]

I think it's great how god always meant what the church thinks at any given time in history, regardless of contradiction.

I think that's proof of god right there. It doesn't matter what you believe, it's always in direct agreement with what god intended.

Have you read that book?  It's one well organized plate O shit.

[DigitalPigSnuggler]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LXCZRpxHpg

"So what will you do now?"

"Uh...call up a prostitute I s'pose."

[Kelt]

"Probably just some random mutation in the watermelon's genetics.... oh, no wait... not that!"