does being a bad person make me a bad person?

[gnooryblows]

I have to say, im so surprised that so many people were saying that they felt similar.. sort of makes me feel better.. or maybe the internet just attracts psychos who listen to nocturnal conspiracy theory radio shows.. either way.. feels nice to know im not alone, lmfao

[The General]

I have to say, im so surprised that so many people were saying that they felt similar.. sort of makes me feel better.. or maybe the internet just attracts psychos who listen to nocturnal conspiracy theory radio shows.. either way.. feels nice to know im not alone, lmfao

Oh, you're still alone.  We all hate you.
FUCK I'M JUST KIDDING CALM DOWN

And for what it's worth, I agreed with a lot of what you said about Robin Williams in the celebrity deaths thread.

[gnooryblows]

Oh, you're still alone.  We all hate you.
FUCK I'M JUST KIDDING CALM DOWN

And for what it's worth, I agreed with a lot of what you said about Robin Williams in the celebrity deaths thread.

I don't care if everyone hates me anyway, I feel more comfortable when thats the case.
yeah, the RW thing is pretty weird, some people i knew on Fb were talking about having movie marathons to honor him wtf? they are grieving lmfao.

[The General]

I don't care if everyone hates me anyway, I feel more comfortable when thats the case.
yeah, the RW thing is pretty weird, some people i knew on Fb were talking about having movie marathons to honor him wtf? they are grieving lmfao.

Yeah.  Grieving is normal. 
Grieving a stranger is, well, strange.

[b_dubb]

       The day I'm not a rotten motherfucker is checkout time. What Parkinson's was to Robin Williams, mellowing would be to me.

And Charles Bukowski wept

[HAL 9000]

this shit is not rocket science motherfuckers, humans need clean air and food to survive. they do not need motherfuckin ipads.

I'll expound on my theories about you another time, but to gather real insight, we need to be honest, so I have a few questions.

1) What company is your ISP, how many Mbps is your plan, how much is your ISP charging you, and who pays your bill?

2) What make and model of electronic device are you using to post here?

We'll start with just those.

[Eddie Coyle]

And Charles Bukowski wept

    He was a drunk ex-postal worker too. My main Polack!

[Yorkshire pud]

The fact you've titled this as you being a bad person (and you're not, you've had your life severely messed up by others) suggests you have a lot of self loathing going on. If you can't love yourself, it's hardly surprising you can't relate to others let alone love them. As others have said, get help. You need some one to one with a professional who can help you..I doubt it will be a quick fix, in fact it might never be totally fixed, but you can't go on like this and have any modicum of normality--although from what you say, 'normality' hasn't visited you in the past. Get help, soon.

I don't care if everyone hates me anyway, I feel more comfortable when thats the case.

This suggests you've normalised antipathy towards you. It's ground you down to the level where you accept (and perhaps anticipate and look forward to) that you deserve nothing else but severely negative thoughts, actions and feelings directed at you. You've pretty much taken the first step in making the OP; go to the next step and tell all that to someone who can help you. 

[Camazotz Automat]

The General would empathetically wince if I were to smash my 1957 Goldtop Les Paul into complete toothpick shit while having a Townsend moment, but would not blink an eye of grief if I severed my carotid artery with the resultant splintered neck.

I'm ok with that. Everyone triggers differently.

He certainly wouldn't endorse a 24-hour Camathon Lest-We-Forget event. Granted, there's also that suspicious lack of Cam video with which to fill said event.

All of this is invaluable information when creating invitations to various social functions. It's important that I know where you stand if I'm going to invite you to a red carpet event or if I'm just asking for an electrical jump because my car battery is dead as Robin ...

Regarding Williams:

The critical difference between myself and those hopping onto the Robin Williams groovy train is that I had a shrine to Williams before he died.

A
very
beautiful
shrine.

You don't see me reaching out for help, cuz I know I'm OK. All the red yarn connecting the center points of the wall of photos form a crystalline reality that emanates from the eye of God. It may not be a beautiful mind, but it's mine.

Btw, I HATE anyone who has one or two beers. I look down on them in complete disgust.

Now, OCCASIONALLY, I may have half a beer or one quarter of a beer.

I also, at my discretion (this IS America) may parlay that beer celebration into a heroin shooting gallery frenzy.

Don't judge me until you've crawled a mile in a wagon rut as a snake filled with buckshot. The blues are LOW.

Btw, you're all invited to my funeral.

Even a psychopath can appreciate a high quality snack tray. Presentation is the key. 

Look at how much Hollywood appreciates its craft services people.  And if Hollywood isn't full of psychopaths, then I'm not wearing Superman Underroos. They say the best way to calm Oliver Stone down was to ask him if he needed some Ranch dressing with those chicken nuggets. You were his friend forever.

I own twenty-four copies of Catcher in the Rye.

All well thumbed.

I eat Kafka for breakfast and shit beetles by noon.

Along the way, I draw the absolute BEST Chernobyl smiley faces. 

All of us have more in common than we think.

I love you guys.

(teardrop to keyboard)

Movement Key : SA

[jazmunda]

This thread might be the goto thread for the MSM when this guy goes postal.

[Tarbaby]

I have no human emotions such as empathy, or kindness, or love. I feel horrible dirty or disgusting when I do something nice for someone or someone does something nice for me. I have zero use for people emotionally. I can watch bad things happen to people and not feel a shred of emotion or pity. I dont love women. I dont love men. I dont love friends. I dont love family.
I suffered a lifetime of abuse, being sexually raped anally as a child and tortured emotionally (sometimes physically) by my parents. Theres more too, much more that I dont feel like or have the time to go into detail on the internet.
I have no friends and dont want them. My life consists of me nocturnally stalking the streets and picking trash then selling it on the internet. If anybody tells me what to do it makes me want to hurt them. rather than get a job, I would go live in the woods and hunt/gather my own food and have done this in the past so I am very good with my primitive survivalism skills.
When I share my views people invariable sneer in disgust at me (see celebrity deaths thread for bellgab example) and often wish or threaten physical harm upon me.
I think that humans are ants, stupid dumb animals not worthy of the air they breathe.
Does this make me a "bad person"? does that even mean anything? I dont even know why im sharing this here, I think im more curious about what people will say.
edit: dont love friends

Mv it's you isn't it. You are such a scamp!

[Stellar]

I have no human emotions such as empathy, or kindness, or love. I feel horrible dirty or disgusting when I do something nice for someone or someone does something nice for me. I have zero use for people emotionally. I can watch bad things happen to people and not feel a shred of emotion or pity. I dont love women. I dont love men. I dont love friends. I dont love family.
I suffered a lifetime of abuse, being sexually raped anally as a child and tortured emotionally (sometimes physically) by my parents. Theres more too, much more that I dont feel like or have the time to go into detail on the internet.
I have no friends and dont want them. My life consists of me nocturnally stalking the streets and picking trash then selling it on the internet. If anybody tells me what to do it makes me want to hurt them. rather than get a job, I would go live in the woods and hunt/gather my own food and have done this in the past so I am very good with my primitive survivalism skills.
When I share my views people invariable sneer in disgust at me (see celebrity deaths thread for bellgab example) and often wish or threaten physical harm upon me.
I think that humans are ants, stupid dumb animals not worthy of the air they breathe.
Does this make me a "bad person"? does that even mean anything? I dont even know why im sharing this here, I think im more curious about what people will say.
edit: dont love friends

I'm pretty sure you are a sociopath!

[Yorkshire pud]

I'm pretty sure you are a sociopath!

Two points; 1) You have got to be kidding (Think: kettle saucepan)
                    2) You don't mean it, otherwise you'd have posted a YT video that has nothing to do with the topic
                    3) Mine's toffee popcorn
                    4) I can't count.

[FightTheFuture]

yep

[Tarbaby]

I'm pretty sure you are a sociopath!

ya think?

I thought of you about a half hour ago when I read this post. I thought, you know what we need to balance Noory Blows? Stellar! Perhaps you could invoke the healing power of the Lord to repair Noory Blows' self loathing and decimated self image? It's probably the child abuse, if that happened. A lot of his complaints were normal for humans. But when a person's self image is crushed they can't love themselves. And since people need if they can't love themselves they don't think they're worthy of anyone else's love so they can't give or receive the love they need. The psyche tries various remedies like drugs, booze, etc., and it works for some people to varying degrees. But for some people when the coping skills are in adequate things worsen.

[The General]

The General would empathetically wince if I were to smash my 1957 Goldtop Les Paul into complete toothpick shit while having a Townsend moment, but would not blink an eye of grief if I severed my carotid artery with the resultant splintered neck.

I'm ok with that. Everyone triggers differently.

He certainly wouldn't endorse a 24-hour Camathon Lest-We-Forget event. Granted, there's also that suspicious lack of Cam video with which to fill said event.

All of this is invaluable information when creating invitations to various social functions. It's important that I know where you stand if I'm going to invite you to a red carpet event or if I'm just asking for an electrical jump because my car battery is dead as Robin ...

Regarding Williams:

The critical difference between myself and those hopping onto the Robin Williams groovy train is that I had a shrine to Williams before he died.

A
very
beautiful
shrine.

You don't see me reaching out for help, cuz I know I'm OK. All the red yarn connecting the center points of the wall of photos form a crystalline reality that emanates from the eye of God. It may not be a beautiful mind, but it's mine.

Btw, I HATE anyone who has one or two beers. I look down on them in complete disgust.

Now, OCCASIONALLY, I may have half a beer or one quarter of a beer.

I also, at my discretion (this IS America) may parlay that beer celebration into a heroin shooting gallery frenzy.

Don't judge me until you've crawled a mile in a wagon rut as a snake filled with buckshot. The blues are LOW.

Btw, you're all invited to my funeral.

Even a psychopath can appreciate a high quality snack tray. Presentation is the key. 

Look at how much Hollywood appreciates its craft services people.  And if Hollywood isn't full of psychopaths, then I'm not wearing Superman Underroos. They say the best way to calm Oliver Stone down was to ask him if he needed some Ranch dressing with those chicken nuggets. You were his friend forever.

I own twenty-four copies of Catcher in the Rye.

All well thumbed.

I eat Kafka for breakfast and shit beetles by noon.

Along the way, I draw the absolute BEST Chernobyl smiley faces. 

All of us have more in common than we think.

I love you guys.

(teardrop to keyboard)

Movement Key : SA

Alright.  I'm a hypocrite.  Mea Culpa.  I'd definitely feel bad for you if I heard of your untimely death.  And I don't even know your hair color.  A human life is worth far more than even the most valuable guitar.  And I think of John Lennon every Dec 8th.  And I didn't even know the man.  I'm a hypocrite, ok?  Aren't we all?

I think what elicited my response regarding Robin Williams was the fact that it was a suicide.  I view suicide as the ultimate selfish act, and the ultimate middle finger to your loved ones.  It's a permanent solution to a temporary problem, a coward's way out, and a violation of every major religion on earth.  I have a difficult time feeling sorry for someone who commits suicide.  Lionizing the act is to make a victim out of an aggressor in my eyes.  Aside from all that, Mrs. Doubtfire was just a shitty movie.  I wasn't that big a fan of RW.  So sue me. 

[BobGrau]

       The day I'm not a rotten motherfucker is checkout time. What Parkinson's was to Robin Williams, mellowing would be to me.

GnooryBlows, meet Eddie Coyle. This man has much to teach you.

[Camazotz Automat]

Alright.  I'm a hypocrite.  Mea Culpa.  I'd definitely feel bad for you if I heard of your untimely death.  And I don't even know your hair color.  A human life is worth far more than even the most valuable guitar.  And I think of John Lennon every Dec 8th.  And I didn't even know the man.  I'm a hypocrite, ok?  Aren't we all?

I view you as one of the most consistent voices on the forum. And it IS a damn fine guitar and should be properly mourned.

Flesh is only flesh. But resonating (preferred wood name here)? It's like Les Paul himself plucking the rungs of Jacob's Ladder with heretofore unknown zygodactcyl  feet.

For the record, my hair is premature Tom Petty flaxen bleached scarecrow hued goldenrod hemp spur.

I didn't see Mrs. Doubtfire.

I'm still trying to erase Hoffman's Tootsie from my meat recorder.

Movement Key : TA

[Gd5150]

I have to say, im so surprised that so many people were saying that they felt similar.. sort of makes me feel better.. or maybe the internet just attracts psychos who listen to nocturnal conspiracy theory radio shows.. either way.. feels nice to know im not alone, lmfao

Just wondering why you sign posts with lmfao. Are you really laughing your ass off? If so it would seem there are things that make you happy after all.

[Zoo]

Only if you believe in god or gods does it really make difference if you are a good or bad person. In nature you see some animals kill because they feel like killing. Does the make the animal a psychopath, good  or bad? No, it is just a animal. We as humans think we are so much better than animals and we prove it almost every hour of every day. You are not good nor bad you are just you. Does not mean you will not be judged though.

Now my personal opinion is you have gone dark. What I mean is when I was in prison I saw people go dark. Prison is filled of people who do not care for others. Things that happen in prison would destroy most people. I have seen people last only days before they kill themselves. Those who do not kill themselves must learn to deal with things in a way that they do not fall. I call it going dark, thats what I did. After I got dropped on, nobody was going to hurt me again. I no longer feared death in fact I welcomed it. I would not set down from anyone not even the CO's. After awhile I got to where I found myself locked down 24/7. This brought me to a point of madness. When I lost myself inside, I found out who I truly was. I was not the monster I was forced to become. I am a lot better with people now and I even feel for them. Is it a struggle? Everyday since I have been out it is a struggle to keep from hurting some dumbass. I still have bad days where I want to track down people and show them what pain really is. I find this happens less and less as time goes by. I also have found some peace in my life which is something I never had and it feels nice. I hope you can find the same gnooryblows but it all comes down to you. I if you want to be a longer there's nothing wrong with that and never let others tell you different!!1

[Avi]

As a university professor, I can attest: you are far, far from alone in your feelings - or lack thereof. The nihilism you describe is part and parcel of a generational nihilism holding sway in certain sections of the culture at large. Just turn on the radio to be serenaded by the wounded, whether it's a complete lack of connection or a lament over abuses suffered in the past. Much of the nihilism is centered upon environmental degradation, but also upon various "One ring to rule them All," conspiracy theories. My students express such gloom that they are angered by any expression of contentment, and yes, they feel that the content are just "ants," fit only for wanton destruction as recompense for their sappy happiness and industry. Don't those ants understand that it's all for nothing! Once we have post-modernistically leached the meaning from life itself, what does it matter what we do? Altruism is just viewed as a scam and a manipulation, so of course, they don't feel right about doing "good" - whatever the hell the ants might mean by "good." The powers that be feel no compunction about the end justifying the means, so why should we? To believe otherwise is to wear blinders - and so on, and so on. As Billy Idol said, "There is nothing pure in this world," "Eeeeooowww!"

No doubt, many of my students are victims of abuse and abandonment. Nonetheless, they are constantly reinforced and enforced in this narcissistic/psychopathic ideation, from popular music to the post-modern academy. Everyone affects a jaded, "no effect on me" air. The persona you describe in your post is on this same continuum, but I lack the diagnostic capacity to tell you where, exactly. I can't really offer you advice, except to advise you, in your contempt, not to hurt or to manipulate others (some of my students only seem to feel a sense of accomplishment/pleasure  through manipulation of or bringing pain to others). Going down this road is, apparently, addictive and/or habituating, and habituation requires greater spectacle for the same pay-off. I would say again what you have already been advised: seek professional help.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5N2WJ1szHE

[Kelt]

I guess the solution here is, 'Cheer the fuck up'.

There, that's that fixed.

Next problem?

[Tarbaby]

As a university professor, I can attest: you are far, far from alone in your feelings - or lack thereof. The nihilism you describe is part and parcel of a generational nihilism holding sway in certain sections of the culture at large. Just turn on the radio to be serenaded by the wounded, whether it's a complete lack of connection or a lament over abuses suffered in the past. Much of the nihilism is centered upon environmental degradation, but also upon various "One ring to rule them All," conspiracy theories. My students express such gloom that they are angered by any expression of contentment, and yes, they feel that the content are just "ants," fit only for wanton destruction as recompense for their sappy happiness and industry. Don't those ants understand that it's all for nothing! Once we have post-modernistically leached the meaning from life itself, what does it matter what we do? Altruism is just viewed as a scam and a manipulation, so of course, they don't feel right about doing "good" - whatever the hell the ants might mean by "good." The powers that be feel no compunction about the end justifying the means, so why should we? To believe otherwise is to wear blinders - and so on, and so on. As Billy Idol said, "There is nothing pure in this world," "Eeeeooowww!"

No doubt, many of my students are victims of abuse and abandonment. Nonetheless, they are constantly reinforced and enforced in this narcissistic/psychopathic ideation, from popular music to the post-modern academy. Everyone affects a jaded, "no effect on me" air. The persona you describe in your post is on this same continuum, but I lack the diagnostic capacity to tell you where, exactly. I can't really offer you advice, except to advise you, in your contempt, not to hurt or to manipulate others (some of my students only seem to feel a sense of accomplishment/pleasure  through manipulation of or bringing pain to others). Going down this road is, apparently, addictive and/or habituating, and habituation requires greater spectacle for the same pay-off. I would say again what you have already been advised: seek professional help.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5N2WJ1szHE

Enjoyed your post. But was the "meaning of life" established as something other then subjective in the first place? How do we know life has a meaning other than the one we imbue  or ascribe? But I suspect you do have your finger on the contemporary pulse and I am no doubt isolated. But, I mean… We've always had existential angst.
Thanks for that post, AVI.
  Oh, by the way, I have been undecided about "altruism" since I can remember. But I tend to think it's not just A logical device or hypothetical premise. I think it's and  innate characteristic that some people have and some people don't. It's probably part of The DNA mechanism and is therefore species preservation. If it's not there in a person is it blocked? Pathology? Abberation?

[Avi]

I just wrote all that so people would know it's really me and I wasn't abducted by aliens.

[Avi]

Enjoyed your post. But was the "meaning of life" established as something other then subjective in the first place? How do we know life has a meaning other than the one we imbue  or ascribe? But I suspect you do have your finger on the contemporary pulse and I am no doubt isolated. But, I mean… We've always had existential angst.
Thanks for that post, AVI.
  Oh, by the way, I have been undecided about "altruism" since I can remember. But I tend to think it's not just A logical device or hypothetical premise. I think it's and  innate characteristic that some people have and some people don't. It's probably part of The DNA mechanism and is therefore species preservation. If it's not there in a person is it blocked? Pathology? Abberation?

Yes, we have always had existential angst and anomie, but today's nihilism seems to be focused on complete soullessness. Indeed, the plot of most of our movies now is some version of "Wounded, Angry Creature attempts to Regain Soul."

I am not one to dismiss Subjectivism, at all. This is what David Gelernter (one of the Unabomber's victims) has to say about it:

The moral claims urged on man by Judeo-Christian principles and his other religious and philosophical traditions have nothing to do with Earth’s being the center of the solar system or having been created in six days, or with the real or imagined absence of rational life elsewhere in the universe. The best and deepest moral laws we know tell us to revere human life and, above all, to be human: to treat all creatures, our fellow humans and the world at large, humanely. To behave like a human being (Yiddish: mensch) is to realize our best selves.
No other creature has a best self.
This is the real danger of anti-subjectivism, in an age where the collapse of religious education among Western elites has already made a whole generation morally wobbly. When scientists casually toss our human-centered worldview in the trash with the used coffee cups, they are re-smashing the sacred tablets, not in blind rage as Moses did, but in casual, ignorant indifference to the fate of mankind.

Anyway, I could go on and on, but the sun will be setting soon so (perhaps - if the strong can stomach it) we can resume on Saturday night.

[Tarbaby]

I just wrote all that so people would know it's really me and I wasn't abducted by aliens.

Ahhh, I see. Well, I thought the reference to Billy Idol was a nice touch. Of course, why a professor would quote or refer to Mr. Idol is a bit puzzling. I thought of referring to Pink Floyd's THE WALL when disgustinghow someone who is afraid of their own feelings might build a wall but I felt it was a bit too Plebian.;-)
Will go digest your post above while you're gone.

[Mind Flayer Monk]

Ahhh, I see. Well, I thought the reference to Billy Idol was a nice touch. Of course, why a professor would quote or refer to Mr. Idol is a bit puzzling. I thought of referring to Pink Floyd's THE WALL when disgustinghow someone who is afraid of their own feelings might build a wall but I felt it was a bit too Plebian.;-)

I have to figure out how to integrate "Walk with electro glide on the blue highway" into my next academic conversation.

[Tarbaby]

I have to figure out how to integrate "Walk with electro glide on the blue highway" into my next academic conversation.

MFM: :-)

Avi, in my last post when I spoke of altruism I didn't clarify that I meant altruism that is predicated on A sense of empathy.

[jazmunda]

Getting mental health advice from BellGab is like getting religious tolerance advice from ISIS.

[BobGrau]

I just wrote all that so people would know it's really me and I wasn't abducted by aliens.

Keep meaning to say, it's nice to have you back.