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Quote from: onan on August 22, 2015, 05:37:12 PMI wonder how the pope feels about 100,000 "permanent" visitors setting up camp in Vatican City?
Quote from: albrecht on August 25, 2015, 04:53:26 PMAn update on the Kathryn Steinle case, the lady shot and killed by an illegal alien with a Federal agent's gun while walking with her father in broad daylight at Pier 14 in the santcuary city of San Francisco. The illegal is going to court for his preliminary hearing. The illegal allowed by the City of San Francisco and the open border to kill Ms.Steinle has plead not guilty. I still have heard no news how the illegal obtained a gun except that an earlier new article claimed the serial# showed it was a "Federal agent's gun." No word on which agency, or how the illegal obtained the gun.http://www.kogo.com/articles/california-news-489209/undocumented-immigrant-in-court-for-san-13887802
Quote from: paladin1991 on August 27, 2015, 02:02:10 PMYeah, no shit. TPTB are circling the wagons on that one. The Officer Protective Society is leaning on anyone that might start working that investigative line.
Quote from: BellBoy on August 27, 2015, 03:02:25 PMIt's curious how little information is forthcoming when the (alleged) perpetrator falls outside of the "designated demographic" If he fell inside, we'd already be seeing round the clock coveage of EVERYTHING... including reports with his 3rd grade teacher's recollections of what a "normal boy" he seemed.
QuoteThey might start by pointing out that numerous studies going back more than a century have shown that immigrantsâ€"regardless of nationality or legal statusâ€"are less likely than the native population to commit violent crimes or to be incarcerated...A separate IPC paper from 2007 explains that this is not a function of well-behaved high-skilled immigrants from India and China offsetting misdeeds of Latin American newcomers. The data show that â€œfor every ethnic group without exception, incarceration rates among young men are lowest for immigrants,â€ according to the report. â€œThis holds true especially for the Mexicans, Salvadorans, and Guatemalans who make up the bulk of the undocumented population.â€
QuoteA new report from the Partnership for a New American Economy found more than 40 percent of Fortune 500 companies were founded by immigrants or their children. Eighteen percent (or 90) of the 500 companies had immigrant founders. The children of immigrants started another 114 companies.
Quote from: Georgie For President 2216 on August 31, 2015, 03:40:45 PMhttp://www.wsj.com/articles/the-mythical-connection-between-immigrants-and-crime-1436916798http://www.forbes.com/sites/stuartanderson/2011/06/19/40-percent-of-fortune-500-companies-founded-by-immigrants-or-their-children/So, conservative news sources agree. Immigrants reduce per capita crime rates and stimulate the economy. Fascinating.
Quote from: albrecht on August 31, 2015, 04:03:07 PMWhat does this have to do with anything? Immigrants are fine but, like almost every other country, we should have a border and a legal immigration policy that is intended to help the country not to simply throw the borders open or change the demographics so quickly (like pre-1965 policy or like many other countries.) I doubt many of those companies mentioned were founded by cartel members, child molesters, or rapists coming across the border.But, of course, certain "conservative" groups favor the mass, uncontrolled immigration, usually the Chamber of Commerce types, because they lower wages (even in the tech area to an extent,) cheap labor (especially for agriculture and building,) and are consumers (everything from food to populations for private, for-profit prisons. This is why the "big wigs" in either Party ignore the problems. One side gets votes, gets larger government (all the programs to serve, educate, and manage illegals and their brood,) and political correctness ("browning of the country" etc) and the other side gets cheaper labor, more crime (good for private prisons and use in political scare campaigns,) and perceive that the immigrants are a "safety valve" that keeps those countries like Mexico, etc from imploding into revolution or becoming a fairer and less corrupt.http://dailycaller.com/2015/08/31/madeline-albright-illegal-immigrants-are-a-burden-video/http://blogs.vancouversun.com/2015/08/27/welfare-of-europe-threatened-by-illegal-migrants-letters/(Someone hasn't told Albright or Martin Collacott that the term "illegal" is verboten.)
Quote from: Georgie For President 2216 on August 31, 2015, 04:24:54 PMI agree that illegals are breaking the law and don't make excuses for policies that let them in, but I do take issues with comments like Obama's beloved illegals just raped someone, or Obama's this or Obama's that. Illegals were a problem long before Obama inherited them. The 'irrelevant' quote that I include specifically states that crime statistics are lower for Latin American immigrants vs the US native population, regardless of legal status. The second article shows that the greatest benefit comes from the children of immmigrants who inherited their parent's work ethic, so the skill sets of the generation that immigrated is probably somewhat unimportant and even illegals probably contribute greatly to the economy and are responsible for less crime than native born Americans. I don't support an open border for illegals, but I wish everyone would stop blaming the sitting president for everything that ever happens. The moment that gets in there... or the moment statements in a post ends with something like 'Mexican and Muslum loving socialist progressive commies' or whatever (which you didn't but it still stimulates the same area in my brain), it completely devalues the entire argument.
Quote from: albrecht on August 31, 2015, 04:54:08 PMThe problem has been a long one but now has gotten worse and the nature of the immigration has changed. Until recently many, if not most, illegals (at least from Mexico) came over here to work and often would return home (especially for things like Easter, Christmas) (and remit much of their wages to their families back home. Some small towns exist mainly on this income. More recently we have them bringing their families with them and almost no illegals (voluntarily) return home because Mexico etc is so unstable. In addition to the demographic change that also increases the costs dramatically as we have to educate, give healthcare, and temporarily take care of their brood. And whatever taxes the illegals are paying aren't going to cover the costs of the free meals and public schooling of their children. And we have the criminals crossing. Everyone always wants to focus on the "hard working" illegals, of which there are many, but there are also rapists, murderers, cartel members, gang members, etc. How many murders, tragic DUI accidents, and rapes are "acceptable" by the public, or the government, just to "fundamentally transform" the country, get some votes, or get some cheap labor? Would it change their views if their children had to go to a public school or if they weren't driven around in armored cars and had to deal with an uninsured illegal alien drunk swerving into their lane? If they didn't have 24/7 armed security around their children and they met up with a nice illegal who looking to get his rape game on?Obama is the "commander in chief" and President and he is not only not defending the country but encouraging illegal immigration by his actions and words. If he actually cared about Hispanics he would be against the mass immigration and the illegal immigration because it causes problems in those countries (if all the good or honest people leave those countries have less a chance to reform and remittances go away) and it is very dangerous for the illegals themselves, especially women and children who are raped, abused, killed by coyotes, cartels, and corrupt police. But even just in the passage on trains, across fragile deserts without water, in box-cars or trucks, capsized boats, etc. Just last week a whole bunch of illegals were found in Austria dead in an abandoned truck, I guess driver fled and left them locked in the truck. Happens here sometimes also.
Quote from: Georgie For President 2216 on August 31, 2015, 05:13:02 PMFair points. It makes it easier for drug cartels to operate in the US (perhaps). It gives the worst criminals an opportunity for refuge (perhaps). I still see it from a different angle. I guess we will have to differ on how we apply responsibility for this issue, how we think it can be dealt with, and our feelings on its overall impact relative to other issues.
Quote from: albrecht on September 01, 2015, 08:42:47 AMhttp://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/italy/11834743/Murder-of-elderly-couple-in-Sicily-fuels-Italys-growing-anti-immigrant-sentiment.htmlAny yet people in another European country answering calls for national suicide:http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/iceland/11835537/10000-Icelanders-offer-to-house-Syrian-refugees-after-authors-call.htmlCalls for 10,000 in a homogeneous population of 300,000, so far the government is only saying they will only accept 50, which is 50 too many. Why isn't Japan, Saudi Arabia, China, Singapore, etc taking refugees or immigrants? Nope, only "Western" nations must take so many immigrants and refugees and be forced to accommodate and support foreigners.
Quote from: paladin1991 on September 02, 2015, 10:45:07 AMGee, what's your point? As Western nations, don't 'we owe it to them?' Whatever historical sins the West indulged in by our forefathers, shouldn't we the children pay the price? I know that one of my forebearers came across the ocean in the 3rd or 4th fleet. Came to make the new world safe for all decent Euros who would follow. I guess that means that every Indian tribe still in existence has a right to put their hand in my pocket. It doesn't matter what good I may have done in this life, I owe it to them. Or whoever 'them' is at the moment. Right?
Quote from: NowhereInTime on September 02, 2015, 02:11:41 PMSo, what then, fuck 'em?What really is the problem here? I know with Albrecht it's the horrific crime of racial dilution but what is the real hassle? We expect these people to all be rapists and terrorists?As to the Native Americans, we do owe them. We (my white forefathers) took their land and introduced disease into their populations. We need to recommit to the Reservation system and to allow them to build economies as sovereign nations.Here in CT we granted Tribal recognition status (well, the BIA did), and signed agreements to "allow" the construction of Foxwoods and the Mohegan Sun casinos (really should visit them, they are amazing). In fact the State takes 25% off the top of all slot revenue. Yet, when the Mashantucket Pequots or the Mohegan Nation use their wealth to buy (at market prices) land to add to their reservation, all of sudden they're a "red menace"Nobody gave a shit when they were huffing "Cheyenne Champagne."
Quote from: paladin1991 on September 03, 2015, 12:42:07 PMAnd I'm sure that you feel the weight of that stain (white forefathers) so greatly that you have indentured yourself, wife and children, to the local reservation? Maybe donated all your assets, real and personal, as reparations?Yeah, I'm poking at you, but not in malice. Just how far is your commitment to righting (real or perceived) wrongs?
Quote from: paladin1991 on September 03, 2015, 12:44:14 PMMaybe the Indians should develop their own light industry? Let's see what would be profitable in the American market? Firearms and Solar. There. Now they won't have to rely solely on casinos for the improvement of their lot.
Quote from: albrecht on September 03, 2015, 04:51:00 PMIllegal FELON, Edin Carey Avendano-Hernandez, must be allowed to stay in the US because he is a tranny. In 2005, he illegally entered the U.S. and went to Fresno, California. Avendano-Hernandez also started taking female hormones and began living openly as a woman, supposedly. In 2006, he committed two separate drunk driving offenses, one injured two people and resulted in a felony conviction. But according to judges, including Judge Jacqueline Nguyen an Obama appointee (and speculative Supreme Court nominee if Obama gets another chance,) on the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals is allowing the felonious illegal to stay here because he requested protection under the U.N. Convention Against Torture and he claims he was abused in Mexico.Note he requested this "protection" AFTER he came back into the country illegally and was caught. If true, as far as I can tell it is only the testimony of the illegal felon that any of it happened, the harassment and rape, of course, is inexcusable but why is it a concern of us? Take up the issue with the government of Mexico or even withhold AIDE to that country if it is such a big problem. We don't need another drunk driving illegal on our roads, even if he says she's a she. So far this illegal felon is still a man though this judge criticized the government for using the word "he" in documents because he self-identifies as a woman and is "taking hormones." But he still has the tackle and DNA so I think she is wrong here. By the way, TECHNICALLY, he could still be deported once Mexico is friendlier towards BLTs etc according to the ruling.(warning opens pdf) The ruling:http://cdn.ca9.uscourts.gov/datastore/opinions/2015/09/03/13-73744.pdf
Quote from: paladin1991 on September 03, 2015, 11:46:57 PMOkay, okay, now to the important stuff. Can he pass?
Quote from: albrecht on September 04, 2015, 08:24:56 PMMurderer of Kathryn Steinle is going to stand-trial, I've also heard that the family has sued the city that allowed the murder to happen. Like that will help their grief; her blood is on Obama and SF politician's hands, but they won't ever face justice, in the form of an illegal, because their families have armed security, live in gated compounds, attend elite private schools, and travel on private jets paid for with taxpayer money. Which is why they could care less about the rapes, murders, kidnapping, DUI accidents, etc.http://www.inquisitr.com/2393544/illilegal-immigrant-in-kate-steinle-san-francisco-shooting-death-to-stand-trial/
Quote from: paladin1991 on September 05, 2015, 09:17:32 PMThe gun used was stolen fm a Ranger. A Ford Ranger, Walker Texas Ranger, a park ranger? WTF chuck?
Quote from: Rix Gins on September 06, 2015, 04:44:21 PMHey there, paladin! Or a hockey player. I tried to paste a picture of the NY Ranger's trademark but I couldn't get it to work. Not done out of jest, but to underscore your point. OK... maby a smidgen of jest.