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Started by albrecht, June 21, 2014, 09:05:45 AM

They would be doing better if they didn't completely condescend to people. If they'd actually make a case why Hillary is better than Trump, people might actually listen. But I think that case is impossible to make which is why they go off into woo babble about literally hitler and a bunch of things that have no basis in reality. They can't make a real case for her because Trumps economic, domestic and international policy proposals whoops her crazy ass. So all we get from the MSM is this bullshit. Sad. But that's why Trump is so popular. The machine is dying.

ItsOver

Quote from: 21st Century Man on September 24, 2016, 01:55:47 PM
Surprise, surprise!

NOT!

Like who couldn't see this coming a year ago?  I automatically vote against the endorsement of the NY Times Editorial page. That's a no-brainer.
No shit Sherlock.  She who The New York Pravda is for, I must be against.

Designx

Quote from: VoteQuimby on September 24, 2016, 03:43:23 PM
They would be doing better if they didn't completely condescend to people. If they'd actually make a case why Hillary is better than Trump, people might actually listen. But I think that case is impossible to make which is why they go off into woo babble about literally hitler and a bunch of things that have no basis in reality. They can't make a real case for her because Trumps economic, domestic and international policy proposals whoops her crazy ass. So all we get from the MSM is this bullshit. Sad. But that's why Trump is so popular. The machine is dying.

Hillary is still going to win though.


starrmtn001

#NEVERHILLARY: Thousands of Pissed off People Crash the DNC, Boo Every Time They Hear "Hillary."  7.26.16.

https://youtu.be/jogUNIirv4U

WOTR

Quote from: starrmtn001 on September 24, 2016, 04:47:10 PM
#NEVERHILLARY: Thousands of Pissed off People Crash the DNC, Boo Every Time They Hear "Hillary."  7.26.16.
I'm sure the actual numbers and predictions are out there... But I am starting to wonder if this election will see a record high voter turn out or record low.  So many people hate the candidate they would usually vote for, but do not actually like the other.

I speculate that a low turn-out might favour Trump while a high one would favour Hillary? Just a personal gut feeling...

albrecht

Quote from: WOTR on September 24, 2016, 04:50:15 PM
I'm sure the actual numbers and predictions are out there... But I am starting to wonder if this election will see a record high voter turn out or record low.  So many people hate the candidate they would usually vote for, but do not actually like the other.

I speculate that a low turn-out might favour Trump while a high one would favour Hillary? Just a personal gut feeling...
And with no id rules to vote, dead voters voting, computer voting, overseas ballots, provisional ballots, and mail-in ballots how do we even know if the winner really won?  :(
http://denver.cbslocal.com/2016/09/22/cbs4-investigation-finds-dead-voters-casting-ballots-in-colorado/

Dr. MD MD

Quote from: WOTR on September 24, 2016, 04:50:15 PM
I'm sure the actual numbers and predictions are out there... But I am starting to wonder if this election will see a record high voter turn out or record low.  So many people hate the candidate they would usually vote for, but do not actually like the other.

I speculate that a low turn-out might favour Trump while a high one would favour Hillary? Just a personal gut feeling...

Statistically, the opposite is usually true.  ;)

http://www.paretopolitics.com/editorials/low-voter-turnout-the-key-to-incumbents-successes

Nice reverse psychology play though.  ;)

analog kid

Quote from: VoteQuimby on September 24, 2016, 03:43:23 PM
They would be doing better if they didn't completely condescend to people. If they'd actually make a case why Hillary is better than Trump, people might actually listen. But I think that case is impossible to make which is why they go off into woo babble about literally hitler and a bunch of things that have no basis in reality. They can't make a real case for her because Trumps economic, domestic and international policy proposals whoops her crazy ass. So all we get from the MSM is this bullshit. Sad. But that's why Trump is so popular. The machine is dying.

Trump's tax plan is more of the same establishment Republican supply-side economics that's a giveaway to the rich and starves the middle class. His foreign policy is inconsistent and insane. Hillary would probably make a decent, pragmatic president, but she had an email server, and she murdered fifty people but somehow got away with it.


aldousburbank

Quote from: WOTR on September 24, 2016, 04:50:15 PM
I'm sure the actual numbers and predictions are out there... But I am starting to wonder if this election will see a record high voter turn out or record low.

I'm planning on being a record high.

starrmtn001

The Clinton Email Immunity Scandal Continues! 9/23/2016.

https://youtu.be/-D-HCNzZ4YY

Dr. MD MD

Quote from: analog kid on September 24, 2016, 05:07:31 PM
Trump's tax plan is more of the same establishment Republican supply-side economics that's a giveaway to the rich and starves the middle class. His foreign policy is inconsistent and insane. Hillary would probably make a decent, pragmatic president, but she had an email server, and she murdered fifty people but somehow got away with it.

I worry about this myself because I believe that Friedman's economic theories have been disastrous for the great majority of people and have really only benefited the 1%. The rising tide didn't raise all ships and we've given it more than enough time now to see if it would. However, as far as I can tell, this is still the official economic philosophy of our country and has been through both Republican and Democratic administrations. We've been quantitative easing since 2008 but would still be supply-siding, if anyone was actually still doing business in this country, that is.

However, please explain why you think Hillary would be decent and pragmatic? Also, can you tell me the ways you think Obama has made the country better in the past 8 years?

Dr. MD MD

Quote from: aldousburbank on September 24, 2016, 05:23:48 PM
I'm planning on being a record high.

Ooh! Can I get in on that?  :)


albrecht

Quote from: analog kid on September 24, 2016, 05:07:31 PM
Trump's tax plan is more of the same establishment Republican supply-side economics that's a giveaway to the rich and starves the middle class. His foreign policy is inconsistent and insane. Hillary would probably make a decent, pragmatic president, but she had an email server, and she murdered fifty people but somehow got away with it.
I think if people just actually understood her plans to eliminate the "Step-Up In Basis" would instantly vote against her, especially in some areas where real estate has appreciated so much over the years, but even for those who might inherit some stocks and bonds or the family business, farm, ranch, vacation home, boat, or whatever.

What is so funny is that the uber-rich will still find a way around her new rules, and do like Clintons do in some cases, and create some trusts, Foundations, legal entities, historical designations, etc to keep and direct their wealth and property. But that house got inherited by your parents passed you suddenly have to pay capital gains from when they bought in in the 60's and what it is worth now. Or that family farm. Or that business. That ranch. Or you inherit that stock your grandpa randomly bought in the 30's that is now something like XOM or etc. You pay based on the gains from that period to now. Or your wife, tragically killed by an illegal in a DUI, but had worked at Apple in the early days and has some stock. Well Hillary has eliminated "Step-Up in Basis" and now you are due tax on the initial stock price to current price.

WOTR

Quote from: Dr. MD MD on September 24, 2016, 05:01:50 PM
Statistically, the opposite is usually true.  ;)

http://www.paretopolitics.com/editorials/low-voter-turnout-the-key-to-incumbents-successes

Nice reverse psychology play though.  ;)
What I had suggested is actually a positive for Trump.  What I am saying is that there are fewer people who are traditionally right who find Trump unpalatable to the point of staying home and more on the left who will not vote Clinton (more likely to stay home if you are left.  Lower turnout means lower Clinton votes- more traditional left supporters staying home because more of them dislike their party's candidate of choice.)  This is provided my gut instinct is correct...

No reverse psychology.  I keep hearing that "Trump is a gamechanger", and I am agreeing.  You appear to be saying that Trump breeds the status quo, and quote traditional statistics from the past.  Either the man is changing politics and shaking things up to make prediction and past stats untrue- or he is just more of the same.  ;)

Quote from: aldousburbank on September 24, 2016, 05:23:48 PM
I'm planning on being a record high.

Given the options that you have to choose from, I would suggest staying there for at least the next four years.  :)


aldousburbank

Quote from: WOTR on September 24, 2016, 05:28:54 PM
Given the options that you have to choose from, I would suggest staying there for at least the next four years.  :)

Prepping confirmed!

aldousburbank

Quote from: chefist on September 24, 2016, 05:32:26 PM
Ideal aerial platforms to fight ISIS!

Military grade haram!

albrecht

http://therealdeal.com/2014/06/17/are-the-clintons-trying-to-duck-property-tax-payments/

But for the "little people" she wants to eliminate "Step-Up In Basis"  * during inheritance, so often the one boon "little people" might get in life- inheriting some appreciated stocks, real estate, etc means that they will likely have to give much of the money to the IRS and likely even sell the asset(s) instead of profiting or keeping it longer. 

* A caveat, I can't seem to find on Billary's website the details of her proposal. If there is a $ limit on the asset or any different between type of asset or only articles and statements about wanting to eliminate it? It could be she has more details (like only on assets worth XXX$ or even depending on different type of asset house vs a mansion or something. Unclear except "eliminate it" articles etc. If so it would be really awful for many people and not the super-rich like her because they have clever attorneys and tax-accountants and find legal ways around the problem, as the Clintons did with their lavish compound in Chappaqua.


Dr. MD MD

Quote from: WOTR on September 24, 2016, 05:28:54 PM
What I had suggested is actually a positive for Trump.  What I am saying is that there are fewer people who are traditionally right who find Trump unpalatable to the point of staying home and more on the left who will not vote Clinton (more likely to stay home if you are left.  Lower turnout means lower Clinton votes- more traditional left supporters staying home because more of them dislike their party's candidate of choice.)  This is provided my gut instinct is correct...

No reverse psychology.  I keep hearing that "Trump is a gamechanger", and I am agreeing.  You appear to be saying that Trump breeds the status quo, and quote traditional statistics from the past.  Either the man is changing politics and shaking things up to make prediction and past stats untrue- or he is just more of the same.  ;)

Given the options that you have to choose from, I would suggest staying there for at least the next four years.  :)

No matter how you spin it, low voter turn out usually favors the incumbent. Which is why it would be clever for you to suggest that Trump voters should stay home because it would work out better for them.  :D

Whether Trump is a game changer or not remains to be seen. I'm not a fan of trickle down economics though. We have the evidence of it's negative effects all around us now. The positive effects benefit only 1% of the country's population and they're not really fans of sharing. However, in all her time in power Hillary has only changed the game for the worse. She ignored the people who needed her as secretary of state because she was too busy rigging the game to only benefit her and Bill and their friends and not us. Meanwhile, people died. That's on her shoulders whether she wants to accept it or not. I know, what difference does it make? Right?

Quote from: analog kid on September 24, 2016, 05:07:31 PM
Trump's tax plan is more of the same establishment Republican supply-side economics that's a giveaway to the rich and starves the middle class. His foreign policy is inconsistent and insane. Hillary would probably make a decent, pragmatic president, but she had an email server, and she murdered fifty people but somehow got away with it.

This is someone who doesn't know what they're talking about. This isn't even a coherent reply. Hillary would make a good President but she had an e-mail server and she murdered 50 people... what? 

Dr. MD MD

Quote from: chefist on September 24, 2016, 05:32:26 PM
Ideal aerial platforms to fight ISIS!

Someone call Pink Floyd!

Quote from: Designx on September 24, 2016, 04:14:09 PM
Hillary is still going to win though.

You're going shatter every bone in your body and your entire existence will turn into bleak misery in the next 30 days.

Both of our predictions are just as valid.

aldousburbank

Quote from: VoteQuimby on September 24, 2016, 05:59:26 PM
she murdered 50 people... what?

Supply side mortality. Trickle down suicide.

Quote from: aldousburbank on September 24, 2016, 06:02:20 PM
Supply side mortality. Trickle down suicide.

;D bodies be popping up everywhere like in Goodfellas.

ItsOver

Quote from: VoteQuimby on September 24, 2016, 05:59:26 PM
This is someone who doesn't know what they're talking about. This isn't even a coherent reply. Hillary would make a good President but she had an e-mail server and she murdered 50 people... what?
The 50th whacked is what turned me.  49 I could live with.

Quote from: ItsOver on September 24, 2016, 06:05:31 PM
The 50th whacked is what turned me.  49 I could live with.

I just wish she'd whack significant people. Why isn't she killing people like that Martin Skrell guy or Ann Coulter? Seems like such a waste to whack nu-male IT people and disillusioned liberals who have dirt on you.

TigerLily

Quote from: analog kid on September 24, 2016, 05:07:31 PM
Trump's tax plan is more of the same establishment Republican supply-side economics that's a giveaway to the rich and starves the middle class. His foreign policy is inconsistent and insane. Hillary would probably make a decent, pragmatic president, but she had an email server, and she murdered fifty people but somehow got away with it.

lol. Most cogent political analysis I have seen all year

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