Started by albrecht, June 21, 2014, 10:05:45 AM
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Quote from: VtaGeezer on June 22, 2014, 11:44:40 AMThe "tapes" are ridiculously lame attempt to villainize a lawyer for doing what lawyer do...
Quote from: Paper*Boy on June 22, 2014, 11:50:50 AMSomewhat. I'd argue that's what scumbag lawyers do.Either which way, the problem is the deceit and the reveling in a grotesque outcome. How old was that rape victim again?
Quote from: VtaGeezer on June 22, 2014, 12:03:40 PMSo by your definition, criminal defense lawyers who insist convictions are based on legal evidence are scum bags. What the hell, we don't need rights, just good conservative prosecutors and judges, eh?
Quote from: NowhereInTime on June 22, 2014, 11:26:19 AMI would rather look like Glenn Close than the steaming pile of crap your parents abandoned.
Quote from: Quick Karl on June 22, 2014, 12:16:55 PMThis is what passes for mature intellect in nitwits world!
Quote from: NowhereInTime on June 22, 2014, 12:46:43 PMThis is what passes when you accept the lowest common denominator.
Quote from: Paper*Boy on June 22, 2014, 03:22:11 PMFirst off, what about the main point of the post - and of the tape - that Hilary was deceitful, and gleeful in her 'victory' - a result she knew was BS? Is that really a quality we want in our public officials? Or is it ok if they have a (D) after their name?And by the way, the rights we have to a fair trial are not supposed to be used to get guilty people off. They are there for the innocent who has been incorrectly charged, not to benefit the perp. To be at the point we are today where instead of a fact finding mission, it's a game that gives all the rights to the criminal - and it's considered just fine for the defense to be as sleazy and unethical as they need to be to get their client off - is disgusting. And just another plank in the Democrat Party Platform.And yes, the same goes for sleazy win-at-all-cost prosecutors.
Quote from: onan on June 22, 2014, 12:13:37 PMI agree with you. Everyone deserves an ethical defense. If the police and prosecution screwed up... it sucks. Especially when we can all the see what is right. But if we let the back door be the benchmark, well slippery slope and all that.
Quote from: albrecht on June 22, 2014, 10:05:29 PMAs I mentioned even the pedophile rapist deserves a vigorous defense by his counsel. However:1) the lawyer needs not volunteer. She claimed she did it as a "favor" for the prosecutor (likely assuming a future quid-pro-quo would follow I imagine if I know Arkansas and the Clintons of that time.) But even if no future "favors" would be granted, she did not need to take the case. (Once taken, I agree, she was vigorous in her work and that is what lawyers should do.)2) Even IF forced onto the case, like with a pro-bono or public defender work by firm or courts, which is NOT the case here and the lawyer gets the pedophile rapist off (or as in this case a lesser charge) she shouldn't break his confidentiality by giving interviews of his guilt or anything about communications, lie-detectors, etc with him (he is now "not guilty" and that is a violation of privilege/confidentiality unless he gave consent to do so). 3) Lastly it is at least in bad taste- considering the victim- to laugh and brag about getting him off (in the legal sense, not as he did with the poor girl especially when knowing/thinking that they guy was guilty! And then still to laugh and brag.
Quote from: Quick Karl on June 22, 2014, 10:11:46 PMIt would be terrible if a male lawyer did this - but I have no fucking clue how a woman lawyer could do it, then laugh about it.
Quote from: albrecht on June 22, 2014, 10:34:30 PMAs as it had been said for millennia they are the most deadly of the species. And, I suspect, in the Clinton species most especially so.
Quote from: Quick Karl on June 22, 2014, 10:51:53 PMProbably what I really meant is that I have no clue how anyone can HEAR or READ that a woman layer did it, and LAUGHED about it, and still support her, for anything...
Quote from: Yorkshire pud on June 22, 2014, 11:42:36 PMIt could be worse. Someone could read your shite and still support you.
Quote from: Quick Karl on June 22, 2014, 11:44:13 PMIf my private messages are any clue, lots of people do.
Quote from: Yorkshire pud on June 23, 2014, 12:48:23 AM... their identities might surprise you-they did me
Quote from: Quick Karl on June 23, 2014, 12:50:04 AMYou HAVE to be a 14-yr old girl.It's getting boring to bait you anymore.
Quote from: Yorkshire pud on June 23, 2014, 12:57:04 AMIf you knew I was 14, you'd have tried to come onto me by now. Asked me for my phone number, my facebook ID, and probably get me to send you photos.As I'm not, you haven't.
Quote from: Quick Karl on June 23, 2014, 01:00:48 AMI never though it was possible for any human on the planet to be as needy as you; you are so desperate for attention it is mind-numbing.
Quote from: SciFiAuthor on June 23, 2014, 03:27:53 AMI'm not going to rehash the questionable content of the recording, Karl and Paper have done that that already. But I'm going to reiterate something that Albrecht initially pointed out: Hillary's accent changes. Look, I write fiction and you present accents to create a character for a narrative. It doesn't matter if the narrative is a novel or a political campaign, what matters is that how you speak or write influences people. For me it's to try to make the words jump from the page and create a page turner, but in politics it's to try to get people to vote for you based on how your words come across. Fuck that, it's still fiction and an attempt to lead you along.
QuoteHillary's a sleazy fucking lawyer looking for power. That's it. And how sleazy money grubbing lawyers turned politicians present themselves is absolutely meaningless in the big picture. They're simply ambitious sleaze. The Democrats need to quit falling for this shit. Question these fucking people until you're blue in the face. Don't fall for the narratives, question. You're all failing badly at that. In the GOP, we aren't. Karl questions, Albrecht questions it, Paper questions, I question, we all question, and you silly fucking Dems don't. Quit it already, will ya?
Quote from: Yorkshire pud on June 23, 2014, 03:34:49 AMReally? One day voice coaching will become an occupation that politicians use...one day.
QuoteWhat is there to question? Politicians and the truth are not natural bed fellows? Get outta here!!! :
Quote from: SciFiAuthor on June 23, 2014, 03:52:35 AMI think everyone knows that politicians lie, but when it comes to identifying the lies it becomes a question of knowingly defending the lies of one's political affiliation. That's what we do, it's what you do right in front of me.
Quote from: SciFiAuthor on June 23, 2014, 03:52:35 AMThey already do. Look, George VI needed voice coaching. A famous movie was made about it. Talking, or writing, to people can be quantified to something akin to a model. You can get better at it if you follow certain rules. If you think prominent journalists and politicians are speaking straight to you, then, well, you're just falling for a gag. You fall for it all the time.
QuoteI think everyone knows that politicians lie, but when it comes to identifying the lies it becomes a question of knowingly defending the lies of one's political affiliation. That's what we do, it's what you do right in front of me.
Quote from: Yorkshire pud on June 23, 2014, 04:20:56 AM... Blair I could willingly see banged up on Alcatraz for the rest of his miserable life.
Quote from: Paper*Boy on June 23, 2014, 04:44:54 AMAs a... tourist guide?
Quote from: SciFiAuthor on June 23, 2014, 03:27:53 AMI'm not going to rehash the questionable content of the recording, Karl and Paper have done that that already. But I'm going to reiterate something that Albrecht initially pointed out: Hillary's accent changes. My Senator, Claire McCaskill does the same,
Quote from: analog kid on July 17, 2014, 06:06:42 PMI could tell she's running because she's been chiming in on every topical news item with her irritating presidential tone. She has it down to an art form, except she's pretty much a soulless husk of a person at this point. I'm so beyond sick of the woman.