Global Peace Index 2014

[onan]

I am a bit frightened of responding to that statement right now...

lol I doubt you are intimidated by much.

[pate]

Dammit.  You win.

[onan]

Dammit.  You win.

And with that, I surrender.

[Quick Karl]

What happened to the Native Americans was horrible.  I wonder what America would be like if the tribes had listened to Tecumseh and united to fight the European invaders.

You betcha!

[albrecht]

I hope a dog soldier visits you in the night and drops some serious Red Power on your being

NOT natives. They migrated there thousands of years ago. You could say the same about Europeans and Asians. By your reasoning only Africans are actually natives

As long as no skin-walkers visit me I'm not too worried. Having said that what we did to the Indians was awful but it is not like they didn't also kill each other, torture, rape, etc. This fantasy of the "peaceful Indian" in harmony with each other and nature is just that. And as soon as one tribe was able to gain an advantage (horse, gun, communication (Inca bead strings for example), metal, stronger cohesion, agriculture, whatever technology) they expanded against their rivals in often very violent ways.

[NowhereInTime]

Obviously you're addicted to me, but alas, I am a proud straight man,  so you're just going to have to go on being the immature asshole you continue to prove yourself to be, and get the fuck over it, you fucking moron.

What's the matter, nitwit, your heyday of the 60's not turn out the way you hoped? You still wearing Birkenstocks trying to be somebody?

You going the threaten to meet me somewhere and beat me up again, you fucking pansy?

Your mother and father must want to kill themselves every time they are reminded you are their product. I actually have pity on their poor, obviously tormented, souls. Must have been PCBs in the water or something...

You know, I regretted posting my desire to cause you bodily harm.  I even stepped away for awhile to reflect about my hypocrisy in that situation.  I preach peace and yet wanted nothing more than to lower myself to violence because of you.  I was wrong and I apologized to you and all posters for betraying my principles. I apologize again because I was wrong to venture down that path.

That said, you are precisely what's wrong with America these days.  You are an obstreperous malignancy who has no intellectual device.  You are a misanthropic elitist who is only happy denigrating others for their race, beliefs, gender, or sexual orientation.  You lack integrity, morality, and respect.

Your entire belief system is built on a quicksand foundation of greed, selfishness, and callous disregard for others. It is repellent and, blessedly, is receding into history as a driving force in American politics.

Last, but not least, you have this annoying habit of recycling everyone else's jokes. However, they land with a thud because of your usual lack of charm and funny.

No, I am hardly attracted to you. Oh, and great job keeping me on "ignore".  Who's attracted to who, fraud?

You disgust me, but, as it happens, you insist on infesting this forum with your bellicose vulgarity.  As you are vermin, so do I view myself as the exterminator trying to route out your foul presence.  My fervent hope is that law enforcement will finally catch up with you and cauterize the infection you spread throughout society.

I hope you fully comprehend that your very presence on this earth is an abomination before God and you will have the shred of decency to correct that situation.

[Quick Karl]

As long as no skin-walkers visit me I'm not too worried. Having said that what we did to the Indians was awful but it is not like they didn't also kill each other, torture, rape, etc. This fantasy of the "peaceful Indian" in harmony with each other and nature is just that. And as soon as one tribe was able to gain an advantage (horse, gun, communication (Inca bead strings for example), metal, stronger cohesion, agriculture, whatever technology) they expanded against their rivals in often very violent ways.

What happened to the Native American cultures seems tragic, in hindsight, but they were vicious killers, within a cultural understanding that was all their own. If not for the fact that they were outnumbered, and lacked the technology of the Europeans invaders, North America would be Indian today.

But make no mistake -- even if those warm fuzzy frauds, the liberal socialist democrats, came upon a people under the same circumstances today, they would annihilate them and take their shit, because, it was the same elite intellectuals that cling to the liberal socialist democrat dogma, that sat in the leadership chairs, and unleashed genocide on the Native Americans, or anyone that disagreed with them - IF, they could get away with it.

[NowhereInTime]

What happened to the Native American cultures seems tragic, in hindsight, but they were vicious killers, within a cultural understanding that was all their own. If not for the fact that they were outnumbered, and lacked the technology of the Europeans invaders, North America would be Indian today.

But make no mistake -- even if those warm fuzzy frauds, the liberal socialist democrats, came upon a people under the same circumstances today, they would annihilate them and take their shit, because, it was the same elite intellectuals that cling to the liberal socialist democrat dogma, that sat in the leadership chairs, and unleashed genocide on the Native Americans, or anyone that disagreed with them - IF, they could get away with it.

"Vicious killers"? Not only do you lack integrity, you lack perspective, as well.

[Quick Karl]

"Vicious killers"? Not only do you lack integrity, you lack perspective, as well.

Yeah - hanging men's scalps on your lodge pole is warm and fuzzy. They scalped women too, moron.

Any more contributions to your abject stupidity?

[NowhereInTime]

Yeah - hanging men's scalps on your lodge pole is warm and fuzzy. They scalped women too, moron.

Any more contributions to your abject stupidity?

Our troops rode down and murdered children.  Moron.

Any more contributions to your complete lack of perspective and integrity?

[paladin1991]

To condemn people who are trying to escape disease, tyranny, poverty, social injustice and corruption is not only callous but entirely hypocritical, as that is why so many emigrated here from Mother Europe.
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Why are they trying to escape?  Why don't they rise up and make their country in the image that they want it to be?  Easier said than done, NIT?  I would say that it is.  But it's doable. Too many countries around the world have undergone such a change to say that it is impossible. 

[onan]

In conflict is there another kind of killing?

Scalping has occurred in almost every culture. Labeling native americans as vicious is correct, doing so as a contrast to others that also scalped victims is rather... well considering the source... what would one expect.

[Quick Karl]

  Why are they trying to escape?  Why don't they rise up and make their country in the image that they want it to be?  Easier said than done, NIT?  I would say that it is.  But it's doable. Too many countries around the world have undergone such a change to say that it is impossible.

Their countries are corrupt because their culture is inherently corrupt - they accept corruption as a normal part of life, and they have, and will, bring their culture with them.

[paladin1991]

It wasn't Elitist English, Spanish, French, and Dutch Europeans that invaded North America and slaughtered Native Americans to TAKE their land, and natural resources - it was WHITE CHRISTIAN REPUBLICANS!!!!

WTF is that MATTER with you already? Are you brain dead or something?

I beg to differ.  My forebears came over in one of the early Spanish fleets.  We came to conquer the Americas to make them safe for decent Euro-peons everywhere.  And we were CATHOLIC Monarchists!  Bend a knee peasant!

Just say 'thank you.'

Because your welcome. 

[paladin1991]

What happened to the Native Americans was horrible.  I wonder what America would be like if the tribes had listened to Tecumseh and united to fight the European invaders.

They still would have lost.  But I believe it would be a different America. 

[paladin1991]

Tomatoes and green peppers are $2 a pound now. I hate to think what we'd have to pay if we had to hire Real Americans to pick 'em.

BINGO.

[Quick Karl]

In conflict is there another kind of killing?

Scalping has occurred in almost every culture. Labeling native americans as vicious is correct, doing so as a contrast to others that also scalped victims is rather... well considering the source... what would one expect.

Dr. Onan, your royal highness and intellectual perfectness,

The point ISN'T that Native Americans were the only murderous-scalping culture, are you are trying to imply that my words might infer, but that Native Americans were NOT the warm. fuzzy, pacifist liberal socialist democrats, some folks would like to pretend they were.

Even you, at the height of your intellectual dishonesty, would have to admit that I, The Light of Bellgab, have condemned every form of oppression and/or tyranny, that has come up on this cesspool of intellectual doucheism.

[Quick Karl]

I beg to differ.  My forebears came over in one of the early Spanish fleets.  We came to conquer the Americas to make them safe for decent Euro-peons everywhere.  And we were CATHOLIC Monarchists!  Bend a knee peasant!

Just say 'thank you.'

Because your welcome.

I am humbled, sir! 

[paladin1991]

Yeah - hanging men's scalps on your lodge pole is warm and fuzzy. They scalped women too, moron.

Any more contributions to your abject stupidity?

Karl.  A great many warriors, regardless of ethnic/cultural/military affiliation take souvenirs.  Some Souvenirs are less savory than others. 

[paladin1991]

In conflict is there another kind of killing?

Scalping has occurred in almost every culture. Labeling native americans as vicious is correct, doing so as a contrast to others that also scalped victims is rather... well considering the source... what would one expect.

You put anyone into a survival situation and it turns viscious real fast.  For all concerned.

[Quick Karl]

Karl.  A great many warriors, regardless of ethnic/cultural/military affiliation take souvenirs.  Some Souvenirs are less savory than others.

The point isn't that Native Americans were alone in their souvenir collecting - it was that they were not the Noble Indians that revisionist liberal history teachers would have some believe they were.

[Quick Karl]

You put anyone into a survival situation and it turns viscious real fast.  For all concerned.

You mean like what will probably happen when liberals send their puppets to try and take everyone's guns?

[Yorkshire pud]

Dr. Onan, your royal highness and intellectual perfectness,

The point ISN'T that Native Americans were the only murderous-scalping culture, are you are trying to imply that my words might infer, but that Native Americans were NOT the warm. fuzzy, pacifist liberal socialist democrats, some folks would like to pretend they were.

Why would they be pacifists? You keep telling us how hard and brave 'true Americans'(sic) should be to deter invaders, so how do you think they should have responded? "Hey white man, come in, make your self at home; Oh you have"

How can you possibly project the (as they saw it) the invaders with the thinking of an ancient people and it's way of life*?  Because native Indians followed the political divide that would be 300 years hence and fully understood and cared what the white man thought? Mind you, the Europeans brought them typhoid, Small pox, Chicken Pox and measles to battle too...so effective at transmission that it's said that in some Indian villages 80% were wiped out.


*That is a rhetorical question.

[paladin1991]

The point isn't that Native Americans were alone in their souvenir collecting - it was that they were not the Noble Indians that revisionist liberal history teachers would have some believe they were.

Nothing noble about combat.  It's a dirty, shitty, bloody affair that when it's over, you're kinda surpised that you and your bros are still alive. 
Nobility?  That's for douchebag politicians to espouse, young boys to believe and the fucking protected to take comfort in that they weren't there.

[Yorkshire pud]

You mean like what will probably happen when liberals send their puppets to try and take everyone's guns?

Hey, you had your opportunity to fight that particular corner, but you and the other ten million couldn't be arsed to turn up..Live with it sucker.

[paladin1991]

You mean like what will probably happen when liberals send their puppets to try and take everyone's guns?

In a nutshell.

[Yorkshire pud]

Nothing noble about combat.  It's a dirty, shitty, bloody affair that when it's over, you're kinda surpised that you and your bros are still alive. 
Nobility?  That's for douchebag politicians to espouse, young boys to believe and the fucking protected to take comfort in that they weren't there.

I had a friend who was ex Royal Marine, and he pretty much said exactly that.. He also said that violence never solved anything. Hard as fuck too.

[Quick Karl]

Nothing noble about combat.  It's a dirty, shitty, bloody affair that when it's over, you're kinda surpised that you and your bros are still alive. 
Nobility?  That's for douchebag politicians to espouse, young boys to believe and the fucking protected to take comfort in that they weren't there.

Thank God (oops, I mean Thank The Big Bang wherein everything in the Universe just popped into existence one day, from absolutely nothing, in the middle of absolutely nowhere, just because it wanted to), that there are still a few people like you left in this country...

[Quick Karl]

Why would they be pacifists? You keep telling us how hard and brave 'true Americans'(sic) should be to deter invaders, so how do you think they should have responded? "Hey white man, come in, make your self at home; Oh you have"

How can you possibly project the (as they saw it) the invaders with the thinking of an ancient people and it's way of life*?  Because native Indians followed the political divide that would be 300 years hence and fully understood and cared what the white man thought? Mind you, the Europeans brought them typhoid, Small pox, Chicken Pox and measles to battle too...so effective at transmission that it's said that in some Indian villages 80% were wiped out.


*That is a rhetorical question.

Once again, Yorkshire mental case, the point flew right over your head, intentionally.

[PB the Deplorable]

What happened to the Native American cultures seems tragic, in hindsight, but they were vicious killers, within a cultural understanding that was all their own. If not for the fact that they were outnumbered, and lacked the technology of the Europeans invaders, North America would be Indian today...

I think you are mostly referring to the Plains Indians, who knew ahead of time due to the fate of the Eastern Coastal tribes what to expect from the settlers pushing west.  Those were just some of the Native Americans.


There was not one Native American culture, there were hundreds if not thousands of different tribes.  Many were very peaceful.  Most co-existed well with their neighbors - even if doing so was more for self preservation than anything else.  Trade thrived between tribes.

Here in California more different languages were spoken than on any other piece of land this size anywhere else in the world.  There were quite a number of different tribes here in the San Francisco Bay Area, many of them with cultures and languages completely unrelated to each other.  By all accounts they lived in harmony, although of course there were disputes, and probably a certain level of wariness.  Their mistake was being friendly to the Spanish explorers, and later the Spanish settlers and missionaries who enslaved them.

The few remaining Indians were mostly either killed or run off by the 49ers who came looking for gold, and other Spanish and Americans who came before and after.

Some tribes here have descendants who are able to recall language and customs, but others were completely wiped out and all we have is the archeological record.