Global Peace Index 2014

[bateman]

Highlights: Canada at 7, US at ... 101.

http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2014/jun/18/global-peace-index-2014-every-country-ranked

[albrecht]

Highlights: Canada at 7, US at ... 101.

http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2014/jun/18/global-peace-index-2014-every-country-ranked

It is interesting how in almost every index from this one, to the "happiness index", to the longevity indices seem to be countries with a more homogeneous population or with the space to accommodate a few (Canada has a large population of Native Americans and there is conflict and issues there) diverse people. And in those countries the areas/cities that are less homogeneous are the place that experience more crime, worse economy, etc. Norway, Finland, Canada, Sweden, Japan, Singapore, etc. Contrary to the programming given to us by the media and governments "diversity" and open-border policies is not a strength- at least when it comes to looking at the data.

[pate]

This one is better (even though it is the same, instead of a list a map)

http://www.visionofhumanity.org/#page/indexes/global-peace-index/2014


edit:  & what do they have against Greenland, Belieze, Suriname/FR Guiana, & whatever that country south of Morrocco on the west coast of Africa?

2nd edit:  & Antarctica isn't even on the map?  I totally question the accuracy of this whole thing... (j/k)

3rd edit: & I had to really zoom in to see Palestine/West Bank is left out as well...  I call shenanigans!

4th edit: & Let's not forget Luxembourg (I think that is the Benelux country they left out...)  Man, this thing doesn't even have complete data... How can we trust it?

[Quick Karl]

The map seems to indicate that the more homogenous, and white, a country is, the more peaceful it is. 

Certainly, the more homogenous and not-Muslim a country, the more peaceful it is.

Who can explain Russia - the birthplace of socialist Marxism. You'd think it should be the most peaceful place on Earth...

[albrecht]

The map seems to indicate that the more homogenous, and white, a country is, the more peaceful it is.

Shush. We aren't supposed to notice that. Clearly this aberration has nothing to do with being mainly homogeneous and sharing common values and culture but from the kind of socialist government-which by the way, can only get better by opening borders and taking in refugees (and whatever else kind of immigrant) from Somalia and Afghanistan and anywhere else.

Re: Russia. Decades of corrupt communism/socialism and then very corrupt style of capitalism. Lots of ethnic types within its borders. Also a significant number of non true-Russians (mainly Chechen, Jewish, Ukrainian, Georgian, and Ingush) uber-rich oligarchs or in criminal "mafiyas" living and exploiting Russia (or in both.) And an ex-KGB guy in league with some of that element that doesn't allow much dissent or real economic freedom. That explains it, basically.

[Quick Karl]

Shush. We aren't supposed to notice that. Clearly this aberration has nothing to do with being mainly homogeneous and sharing common values and culture but from the kind of socialist government-which by the way, can only get better by opening borders and taking in refugees (and whatever else kind of immigrant) from Somalia and Afghanistan and anywhere else.

I just can't help it - I ALWAYS notice the obvious...

Please forgive me? 

[PB the Deplorable]

... Who can explain Russia...

Russia is not historically part of Europe, they have a very different history, they never went through an Enlightenment... 

It's a mistake to think they are like the West, but just got off-track a bit.

[Quick Karl]

Russia is not historically part of Europe, they have a very different history, they never went through an Enlightenment... 

It's a mistake to think they are like the West, but just got off-track a bit.

I was being facetious...

[albrecht]

Russia is not historically part of Europe, they have a very different history, they never went through an Enlightenment... 

It's a mistake to think they are like the West, but just got off-track a bit.

True though at some points they tried to be more European and, supposedly, was started by the RUS vikings. Anyway, it is not so much about "whiteness", though that correlates high, but about cultural, and racial, homogeneity in this index (and other indices)- and lack of Islam or open-borders.

[Yorkshire pud]

The map seems to indicate that the more homogenous, and white, a country is, the more peaceful it is. 

Certainly, the more homogenous and not-Muslim a country, the more peaceful it is.

Who can explain Russia - the birthplace of socialist Marxism. You'd think it should be the most peaceful place on Earth...

Marx wasn't Russian, he was Prussian. And currently The Russian Federation is (and the foreseeable future)  controlled by billionaire oligarchs and the mafia. Between and because of them, the place isn't a peaceful place at all.


Other than that you're correct.  :

[TheMan WhoFell ToEarth]

Marx wasn't Russian, he was Prussian. And currently The Russian Federation is (and the foreseeable future)  controlled by billionaire oligarchs and the mafia. Between and because of them, the place isn't a peaceful place at all.


Other than that you're correct.  :

Who would think to point at social inequity before making bigoted comments about peoples skin color and/or background? 

[paladin1991]

I was being facetious...

NO.  You are just playing your role of Evil White Devil.  The worlds a stage, bro.

[NowhereInTime]

Russia is not historically part of Europe, they have a very different history, they never went through an Enlightenment... 

It's a mistake to think they are like the West, but just got off-track a bit.

Nice deflection for your pal, P*B, but he wasn't commenting on how peaceful Europeans were but how peaceful White and homogeneous countries were, excepting Russia.

Now, Dr. Deflection, are you going to try and tell me that Russia's not a "white" nation?  (Keep in mind, big hint, the Caucasus Mountains...)

[paladin1991]

Hey there NIT, where you been?  Traveling?

[NowhereInTime]

Hey there NIT, where you been?  Traveling?

Self-imposed ban for being a jerk-wad.  After today I will have to go back on...

[Yorkshire pud]

Nice deflection for your pal, P*B, but he wasn't commenting on how peaceful Europeans were but how peaceful White and homogeneous countries were, excepting Russia.

Now, Dr. Deflection, are you going to try and tell me that Russia's not a "white" nation?  (Keep in mind, big hint, the Caucasus Mountains...)

Any doubts to the underlying atitude Russians (and Poles, Slovaks, Lithuanians, Latvians, Hungarians ( to a degree), towards none whites should have a chat with their nationals and how none whites are intergrated into their societies (or rather not). Oh atitudes and the brutality towards homosexuals and lesbians.

[Yorkshire pud]

Who would think to point at social inequity before making bigoted comments about peoples skin color and/or background?

I addressed the Marx comment only because his first paragraph said more about his blind ignorance and not really worth giving dignity to.

[paladin1991]

Self-imposed ban for being a jerk-wad.  After today I will have to go back on...

Ooooh.  Was there any self flagellation involved?  That would be veeeerrrry Catholic of you.

Jerk away brother.  It ain't fun unless we're all playing.

[albrecht]

I addressed the Marx comment only because his first paragraph said more about his blind ignorance and not really worth giving dignity to.

In way he was correct while Marx was a Jewish German the first country that adopted his ideas, via the Leninist interpretation, was Russia. And that experience caused a lot of chaos and corruption in the society that was already very autocratic, anti-Jewish, and poor and the effects are still felt today.

[NowhereInTime]

Ooooh.  Was there any self flagellation involved?  That would be veeeerrrry Catholic of you.

Jerk away brother.  It ain't fun unless we're all playing.

"any"?  I'm ambidextrous, so Hell yeah!

[PB the Deplorable]

Nice deflection for your pal, P*B, but he wasn't commenting on how peaceful Europeans were but how peaceful White and homogeneous countries were, excepting Russia.

Now, Dr. Deflection, are you going to try and tell me that Russia's not a "white" nation?  (Keep in mind, big hint, the Caucasus Mountains...)

Yes, I know what he was commenting on.  I was suggesting a reason why Russia was the one that didn't fit that generalization.

[Yorkshire pud]

"any"?  I'm ambidextrous, so Hell yeah!

Ambi how many?

[NowhereInTime]

Yes, I know what he was commenting on.  I was suggesting a reason why Russia was the one that didn't fit that generalization.

An accurate reason.  Nonetheless I would like to point out that merely suggesting white hegemony is peace inducing would ignore over a hundred years of colonial strife. 
I mean, we fought a war as a predominantly white nation against our white colonial masters, after all.
You know the history.

[Juan]

Amerind hegemony led to peace, didn't it?

[albrecht]

An accurate reason.  Nonetheless I would like to point out that merely suggesting white hegemony is peace inducing would ignore over a hundred years of colonial strife. 
I mean, we fought a war as a predominantly white nation against our white colonial masters, after all.
You know the history.

EVERY race, culture, people, or whatever have had fights, wars, slavery, etc. But some, over time, become more stable or recover from their conflicts and others don't. Colonialism, that old bug-bear, happened in Canada, Singapore, China, Malaysia, the USA, and many other places to varying extents. How come only African nations can't get over it? Only the Islamic ones can't handle it or their "colonial-made" borders? Many cities in Europe were destroyed and many, many lives were lost in the two recent Great Wars. Borders were changed (often) and post wars brand new borders were set up. Much of Asia has been destroyed by civil wars, wars in general, and even nuclear bombs dropped on them. But look at them now.

And these maps prove that "diversity" is not strength but a weakness unless the "diversity" is based on a controlled border, merit, wealth, education, or some criteria- not just open-border policies or "diversity" for diversity's sake. (And note there is never calls for any non-historically European country, no matter how rich, to be "diverse" or "politically correct" or to take in any immigrants without question.)

[NowhereInTime]

EVERY race, culture, people, or whatever have had fights, wars, slavery, etc. But some, over time, become more stable or recover from their conflicts and others don't. Colonialism, that old bug-bear, happened in Canada, Singapore, China, Malaysia, the USA, and many other places to varying extents. How come only African nations can't get over it? Only the Islamic ones can't handle it or their "colonial-made" borders? Many cities in Europe were destroyed and many, many lives were lost in the two recent Great Wars. Borders were changed (often) and post wars brand new borders were set up. Much of Asia has been destroyed by civil wars, wars in general, and even nuclear bombs dropped on them. But look at them now.

And these maps prove that "diversity" is not strength but a weakness unless the "diversity" is based on a controlled border, merit, wealth, education, or some criteria- not just open-border policies or "diversity" for diversity's sake. (And note there is never calls for any non-historically European country, no matter how rich, to be "diverse" or "politically correct" or to take in any immigrants without question.)

Have you been seeing the news out of Hong Kong lately?

No matter how much you disparage "diversity" or defend colonialism as some limited, arcane relic of history you fail to recognize that the domineering of a people (such as the Koreans by the Japanese or the Vietnamese by the French and somebody else who escapes me at the moment...) by another causes tremendous cultural and societal shock that takes manyh generations to overcome.
Germany was helped by the Marshall plan.  Vietnam was not.  Nor was Rhodesia.  Nor was India.  Nor was Hong Kong.
I watched the Chi-coms roll into Hong Kong as the British lowered their flag.  It was sad because Hong Kong had emerged as a post-colonial success story only to be enveloped by Chinese state that still doesn't understand it.

China has tremendous hostility toward Japan and Western European nations for their active hegemony throughout their nation.  (Don't think so? Google "Boxer Rebellion")

It never ceases to amaze me how many white people discount the impact of colonization as catastrophic to indigenous culture.

Leaving all that aside, how can you live in this country and disparage diversity as a weakness?!? I won't even wast the time pointing to so many examples of how so many different cultures have influenced out nation; it is unfathomable that anyone could fail to recognize it!

[albrecht]

Have you been seeing the news out of Hong Kong lately?

No matter how much you disparage "diversity" or defend colonialism as some limited, arcane relic of history you fail to recognize that the domineering of a people (such as the Koreans by the Japanese or the Vietnamese by the French and somebody else who escapes me at the moment...) by another causes tremendous cultural and societal shock that takes manyh generations to overcome.
Germany was helped by the Marshall plan.  Vietnam was not.  Nor was Rhodesia.  Nor was India.  Nor was Hong Kong.
I watched the Chi-coms roll into Hong Kong as the British lowered their flag.  It was sad because Hong Kong had emerged as a post-colonial success story only to be enveloped by Chinese state that still doesn't understand it.

China has tremendous hostility toward Japan and Western European nations for their active hegemony throughout their nation.  (Don't think so? Google "Boxer Rebellion")

It never ceases to amaze me how many white people discount the impact of colonization as catastrophic to indigenous culture.

Leaving all that aside, how can you live in this country and disparage diversity as a weakness?!? I won't even wast the time pointing to so many examples of how so many different cultures have influenced out nation; it is unfathomable that anyone could fail to recognize it!

I'm not saying it is going to be perfect (I don't think the British should've given up HK and the Portuguese Macau) but certainly the situation in HK is not like what happens in Africa as standard practice when colonialism ended. Let's look at Rhodesia. A first world country by most measures, its agriculture fed the whole continent, had infrastructure and good roads, and it took, what, a decade to become a 3rd world cesspool and can't feed itself lead by a megalomaniacial dictator. Or South Africa, certainly was a first world country. Now, what after, a few decades of rule by the terrorist and corrupt ANC, crumbling infrastructure, rape rates amazingly high, corruption, ethnic violence, HIV/AIDS endemic, crime numbers amazing, and even things like witch-doctor killings going on! And you can't claim Africa didn't get foreign aid or investment over the decades since colonialism or even apartheid ended (or help with troops when the genocides got out of hand- though not much help there.)

Everyone knows about the Boxer Rebellion, Opium Wars, and Spheres of Influence and colonialism (or worse like what was practiced by Japan and China in their various take-overs of neighbors over the centuries.) The point countries move-on. Sure there is still deep resentment (even hatred) for past ills but refusing to progress to a decent economy or culture and simply just start hacking each other with machetes and destroy your infrastructure and agriculture is not the rational way to deal with past ills by "colonialists." You only hurt yourself. Instead of dwelling on how bad they were treated realize that every culture, race, etc at some point was beaten in a war, enslaved, got starved, etc. Africans aren't "special". There were plenty of "white slaves" through out history (hence the root of the word slav as one small example), or under the Ottomans, Roman times, press-gangs, being Shanghaied, or sex slavery unto today, etc. But we aren't still bitching about that and refusing to work or just hacking our neighbors up (normally.)

[albrecht]

Leaving all that aside, how can you live in this country and disparage diversity as a weakness?!? I won't even wast the time pointing to so many examples of how so many different cultures have influenced out nation; it is unfathomable that anyone could fail to recognize it!

Diversity for diversity's sake is not the proper reason. Imagine the country it we didn't have such "diversity": the crime levels, no legacy of slavery (which was an awful system), the costs of prisons, the costs for using multilingual communications in government and businesses, the costs of bilingual education, many disease outbreaks gone, a better environment (because less population and illegals wouldn't be trampling and ruining very fragile desert environments), less organized crime, better treatment of women, and so on.

I have no problem with immigration (like the leftists say "we are all immigrants" or like the invading hordes say "the border moved, not me" or "kill the gringo.") On the pro-side we've gotten new foods (but heck it is still better to travel and eat foreign foods), music, and especially cheap labor (but, really, as a "progressive" is cheap labor good?), and some good scientists and inventors (but again usually from Europe or from some Asian countries.) So, on balance, if we stuck with the original European-based immigration our GDP, standard of living, and health would likely be much better.

With every few generation we get "less quality" of immigrants and more just spreading disease, free-loading, or outright criminals since we don't control the borders, really, or have an immigration quota system based on keeping the balance so "diversity" doesn't over-whelm or shock the system and people can assimilate. And one picking immigrants with education, wealth, skills, disease free, and criminality free, etc that will be productive- like almost every other country on earth does.

[ksm32]

(Canada has a large population of Native Americans)

There are no native Americans here..

They wear Canadian hockey team jerseys and will punch your fucking lights out if you call them anything other than Canadian. I don't know where you got your 'facts' from but the problem is not HUGE. They are just an irritant at best. Give them the handout they're asking for every few years and they go away for awhile.

...and there's really not that many off them.

[NowhereInTime]

Diversity for diversity's sake is not the proper reason. Imagine the country it we didn't have such "diversity": the crime levels, no legacy of slavery (which was an awful system), the costs of prisons, the costs for using multilingual communications in government and businesses, the costs of bilingual education, many disease outbreaks gone, a better environment (because less population and illegals wouldn't be trampling and ruining very fragile desert environments), less organized crime, better treatment of women, and so on.

I have no problem with immigration (like the leftists say "we are all immigrants" or like the invading hordes say "the border moved, not me" or "kill the gringo.") On the pro-side we've gotten new foods (but heck it is still better to travel and eat foreign foods), music, and especially cheap labor (but, really, as a "progressive" is cheap labor good?), and some good scientists and inventors (but again usually from Europe or from some Asian countries.) So, on balance, if we stuck with the original European-based immigration our GDP, standard of living, and health would likely be much better.

With every few generation we get "less quality" of immigrants and more just spreading disease, free-loading, or outright criminals since we don't control the borders, really, or have an immigration quota system based on keeping the balance so "diversity" doesn't over-whelm or shock the system and people can assimilate. And one picking immigrants with education, wealth, skills, disease free, and criminality free, etc that will be productive- like almost every other country on earth does.

A very sad, jingoistic, misanthropic view of your fellow human being.

Consistent with conservatism, which fearfully perceives "burden" from every unknown and different person.

Here's a tiny list of immigrants who did good things in this country:

http://invent.answers.com/famous-inventors/top-immigrant-inventors-and-their-important-inventions

Really, take a 15 minute break and google "immigrant inventions".  This is the tip of the iceberg of motivated peoples that have come here.