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Started by EvB, September 28, 2008, 12:33:28 AM

EvB

I dozed off for a while.  I woke up at 1:45ish (eastern time) and Art was still on.  Now, I love Art - but with everything that's going on (Bailout etc . . .) I would much rather hear a 2008 Ian than a 1995 Art.

I'm using stream link, if that matters.  Ian isn't in his home studio (he was talking about not knowing how he was getting back to his car because he was escorted from his car down a tunnel that seemed to be being closed behind him) But when he did come on the air - it sounded like the show was already underway.  Jim Marrs was on, talking about the VERY subjects I had hoped to hear - the Treasury mess, the possibility of suspended elections and so on. But only the tag end came though and now they're on the the Hunt for Red October guy.

Who knows - technical difficulties maybe.  Guess I'll find out when I try the stream later. (maybe)


The Congressman mentioned in this vid is my congressman. (John Olver) I know him fairly well. He was my local state rep for many years. He's neither a reactionary nor a nut-job. Quite honestly, I tend to blow off political news of this type.  I'm not a fan of Chicken Little. This time, I'm not so sure.  And - at the risk of sounding uber paranoid, AGAIN, why didn't the first hour of Ian's show come though on StreamLink?


I wish the media had given better coverage to Nader over the years. I really admire him, and apparently so do a lot of other people. I just learned about him from that documentary on NetFlix I watched. All I knew was he was running for president, and that he got the Corvair taken off the market. If anybody wants to see somebody who should be in the Whitehouse, you should listen to Ralph Nader.

As far as this clip, I really don't know what to say. I'm not clear on what Marshall Law is exactly, but I think I'm going to look it up right now. It sounds like anarchy, to me. Why would Olver say that? Does this imply that the Bush administration had a backup plan in case he was impeached? Or rather, in case the suggestion was brought before Congress that he should be impeached?

Frys Girl

The media is owned by the same companies who support the candidates. Nader might as well be dead to them. This country isn't as "free" media as it seems.

Quote from: Frys Girl on September 28, 2008, 06:27:52 AM
The media is owned by the same companies who support the candidates. Nader might as well be dead to them. This country isn't as "free" media as it seems.
It doesn't seem very free to me.

I was going to say something in my original comment about how someone should do for the media what Nader did for auto safety. Nice idea.

EvB

QuoteDoes this imply that the Bush administration had a backup plan in case he was impeached? Or rather, in case the suggestion was brought before Congress that he should be impeached?

That's part of it.  It seems the threat of martial law is hovering, and the idea is that if  there is a move to impeach, then it becomes definite.

Martial law is military law.  It CAN be legally done, and the intention is that it be used only in times of utter disaster. Let's say - for example - that some group pulled a 9/11 on three major cities at once, a Katrina like disaster hit the gulf once again, and the bird flu was breaking out cross country.  Under circumstances like those, it could make sense for a leader of integrity to say "look, till this is sorted out, I'm in charge, period.  As soon as the dust begins to settle - it's back to business as usual."  This would particularly apply if, as now, there is an election coming up that could result in a complete change of leadership.   The idea is to have some kind of stability in the midst of chaos. It's supposed to be used only when there seems to be no other alternative, and it is also supposed to be very, very temporary.

It seems that on the hill right now there is some real fear that goes beyond political paranoia that W will invoke martial law using storm damage, economic melt-down, and adding in an attack on Iran for good measure. this would be pure orchestration - not real need. It's also how Adolf Hitler became "Das Furer" in 1933.

UPDATE: I just turned on the stream again.  The taped version does include the show from the start with news on the bail-out and the notion martial law etc.  Punnett isn't at his regular studio because he's at his 30th high school reunion, so he's working form Clear Channel in Chicago. NO idea what was going on last night - likely some technical glitch but the timing made it seem a bit scary.


UPDATE 2: small, brief, local periods of martial la have happened, even in very recent history.  Remember how uniforms were telling everyone what to do every step of the way during and after Katrina? Like that.

you know what, I trust the military a lot more than I trust those people in Washington. If they want to impose martial law, I say go for it. At least then we'd know it was being enforced. Screw them and their threats.

EvB

Quote from: Art is the Best on September 28, 2008, 08:48:06 AM
you know what, I trust the military a lot more than I trust those people in Washington. If they want to impose martial law, I say go for it. At least then we'd know it was being enforced. Screw them and their threats.

Except that it's not really RUN by the military, only enforced by them.  It will be same shit, different day, but without the right to protest.

Remember, in our system - the president is the military commander in chief. And - whoever is puling HIS strings will continue to. 

Quote from: EvB on September 28, 2008, 08:52:43 AM
Except that it's not really RUN by the military, only enforced by them.  It will be same shit, different day, but without the right to protest.

Oh, there would be blood in the streets!

Frys Girl

Art is the Best did you just employ an exclamation point? You get an award in my mind for most calm and rational member.... except for that military takeover thing. The military freaks the shit out of me. Have you ever seen Full Metal Jacket? lol

Quote from: Frys Girl on September 28, 2008, 02:50:30 PM
Art is the Best did you just employ an exclamation point? You get an award in my mind for most calm and rational member.... except for that military takeover thing. The military freaks the shit out of me. Have you ever seen Full Metal Jacket? lol
Thank you! I do try to show some restraint here, because I don't want to tick all of you off just because I'm in a bad mood or something.

No, I haven't seen it, but it's on my list. I have to be in the right mood for war movies. I will check it out though.

MV/Liberace!

Quote from: EvB on September 28, 2008, 07:40:23 AM


It seems that on the hill right now there is some real fear that goes beyond political paranoia that W will invoke martial law using storm damage, economic melt-down, and adding in an attack on Iran for good measure. this would be pure orchestration - not real need.
i wouldn't worry about it.  they say this every time a president is up for re-election or when his term is ending and a new guy is coming in.  they said bush would impose martial law 4 years ago, and they said the same thing about clinton toward the end of his second term.  i remember it clearly.

MV/Liberace!

regarding the financial meltdown:


if they'd only listen to ron paul...

EvB

Quotethey said bush would impose martial law 4 years ago, and they said the same thing about clinton toward the end of his second term.  i remember it clearly.

True enough - though the last time I recall people taking it this seriously was just before Nixon's impeachment.

As for this:

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if they'd only listen to ron paul...

He seems to be awful quiet lately - but there is always THIS guy.


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