IRS Says 'Lost' Lerner Emails...

[pate]

I can't wait to watch a few years down the road when the president is from another party and tries to use the IRS to nail the Democraps to the wall with the same sort of shenanigans.  It is always fun to see hypocrites scream and yell about how something's not faaaaiiiiir!  Or maybe this is one of the finely crafted presidential tools that this president is leaving in the tool-box for the next guy...  0bama inherited a few sweet presidential tools from the previous occupant...

[albrecht]

You used to be able to pay that off in hemp, believe it or not.

Speaking of that. Don't they still "have on the books" some deal about a tax-duty on hemp Federally? I seem to recall a while ago that this was also used to bust people? (Unpaid levy or duty on hemp, like the pot grower on a technicality.)

I still am amazed that, apparently legally, the IRS will refuse cash. I never believed it until I tried. Its says there RIGHT ON THE FEDERAL RESERVE NOTE that it should be good for all debts public or private! I haven't tried this in decades but when I did- they refused. In person. I understand the not sending cash (although, then the Post Office, was also a Federal Agency so why not. We can't trust them either to fulfill their duties??) The IRS is under the US Treasury (as I pointed out to them) so why don't they accept Federal Reserve Notes as payment?? Would it have made a difference if I used old bills, pre-Reserve? Or those supposed Kennedy Treasury issued ones? Or in US Bonds (or my old US Savings Bonds?) I wonder.

I have paid landlords, again years ago when renting, in cash and also got rebuffed at first but showed him the writing ON THE NOTE and made an issue of it. Actually would withdrawl cash to pay rent, again, to make a point. Again, claims of paperwork, "your protection". So I wrote out a receipt and made him and me sign and gave him cash. He finally accepted. Ha. This cashless society thing has been going on for decades but I fight against it, as much I can, on principle.

[bigchucka]

Speaking of that. Don't they still "have on the books" some deal about a tax-duty on hemp Federally? I seem to recall a while ago that this was also used to bust people? (Unpaid levy or duty on hemp, like the pot grower on a technicality.

I'm thinking the shit they decided to pull at first was to produce or possess it, you had to purchase a stamp for each certain amount.  "Well, where do we purchase the stamps?"  "We're sorry, we're completely out of stamps."  But in 1942... "Hemp for Victory" happened.. and stamps were produced... or it worked something like that...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marijuana_Tax_Act_of_1937

[Zoo]

Well it is time for the IRS to go!!! Lets do this everyone working for the IRS in now retired full benefits till death. Go to a flat tax and everyone has to pay. Churches, Non-Profits, Corporations, and I mean everyone. What every it may be 12% or what ever the majority all decides. Thoughts!!1   

[albrecht]

Well it is time for the IRS to go!!! Lets do this everyone working for the IRS in now retired full benefits till death. Go to a flat tax and everyone has to pay. Churches, Non-Profits, Corporations, and I mean everyone. What every it may be 12% or what ever the majority all decides. Thoughts!!1   

I agree though would rather a national sales tax. That way everyone actually pays into the system. And that would capture the "black economy" which, under that character Obama is very large. A national sales tax would even tax those who work "off the books" for cash, illegal aliens, criminals, drug dealers, etc. Right now they are making $$$ and not paying any tax. We could a provision that staple items are not taxed so that poor people are not negatively effected. But tax-free items would be only staple items. Sodas and junk food don't count for the tax-free. Only things like eggs, milk, cheese, ground beef, sardines, saltines, peanut butter, dried beans, rice, whole-wheat bread, and canned fruit.

[VtaGeezer]

I agree though would rather a national sales tax. That way everyone actually pays into the system. And that would capture the "black economy" which, under that character Obama is very large. A national sales tax would even tax those who work "off the books" for cash, illegal aliens, criminals, drug dealers, etc. Right now they are making $$$ and not paying any tax. We could a provision that staple items are not taxed so that poor people are not negatively effected. But tax-free items would be only staple items. Sodas and junk food don't count for the tax-free. Only things like eggs, milk, cheese, ground beef, sardines, saltines, peanut butter, dried beans, rice, whole-wheat bread, and canned fruit.

I propose a more sensible system based on merit and real American values: 
1. A regressive tax schedule with no deductions for anything...the less they earn, the more the lazy parasitic shits should pay.
2. 50% of all Federal taxes collected on earned income shall be paid directly to our glorious job creators; like Walmart shareholders, who will pay no tax whatsoever for anything. 
3. The wealthy; with no earned income; will be paid a progressive patriotic gratitude commission from the public larder based on how much property they've amassed, with a 50% bonus for inherited wealth.

Now what tax system could be more American that?

[Jackstar]

Now what tax system could be more American that?

10% flat.

[Juan]

The thing that my friends who want to "tax the rich" can't seem to understand is that we don't tax wealth in this country.  The rich already have theirs and it is not taxed - only income from it is taxed at lower capital gains rates.  We tax income, which means that people who are trying to get ahead and having some success are punished and never get to be rich. 

Even Hillary Clinton was complaining about this when she said that she and Bill are not rich as they have to pay ordinary income tax.

Looking at the states, Florida and Texas do pretty well economically and they have only sales taxes - not income taxes.

As for the 10% flat tax, what are you going to tax?  Income?  If so, once again you are not taxing the rich.

[wr250]

The thing that my friends who want to "tax the rich" can't seem to understand is that we don't tax wealth in this country.  The rich already have theirs and it is not taxed - only income from it is taxed at lower capital gains rates.  We tax income, which means that people who are trying to get ahead and having some success are punished and never get to be rich. 

Even Hillary Clinton was complaining about this when she said that she and Bill are not rich as they have to pay ordinary income tax.

Looking at the states, Florida and Texas do pretty well economically and they have only sales taxes - not income taxes.

As for the 10% flat tax, what are you going to tax?  Income?  If so, once again you are not taxing the rich.

it would help if the rich (via corporations) would quit bribi... err "contributing millions  to political campaigns (often to both sides for CYA)"  but eh banning that practice wont happen anytime soon...
in the meantime it wont matter who you vote for as the corps have all the candidates in their pockets.in the meantime they dont pay any taxes due to tax evasion schemes exploiting loopholes in the tax code. all they do is collect wealth, while the rest of us become poorer.

0bama is not a socialist. he is a corporatist  shill.

[Quick Karl]

it would help if the rich (via corporations) would quit bribi... err "contributing millions  to political campaigns (often to both sides for CYA)"  but eh banning that practice wont happen anytime soon...

That will never happen until you hold a gun to their head.

[PB the Deplorable]

The thing that my friends who want to "tax the rich" can't seem to understand is that we don't tax wealth in this country.... 

Note the Left -wing Media never, ever, makes this point.  Despite a constant flow of articles and op-ed pieces on 'taxing the rich'. 

It's about sloganeering, income redistribution, and getting demagogues like Obama elected - not common sense or simply finding the best way to fund government.

[Quick Karl]

Note the Left -wing Media never, ever, makes this point.  Despite a constant flow of articles and op-ed pieces on 'taxing the rich'. 

"Tax the rich" is a secret code that means, "watch this and see just how fucking stupid left wing voters really are".

[Jackstar]

"Tax the rich" is a secret code that means, "watch this and see just how fucking stupid left wing voters really are".

Your posts have gone to shit since I left. Shape it up, Fucko.

[PB the Deplorable]

They don't mention that if you have a job, they consider you 'rich'

[Jackstar]

They don't mention that if you have a job, they consider you 'rich'

You didn't mention who "they" is. It's the Slavs, isn't it? Tell me it's the Slavs.

[Bart Ell]

Cunt beaver bitches small dicks on a slice of raisin bread.

That shit makes as much sense and matters as much as the crap you loons spend all day fighting about in here.

[Quick Karl]

Your posts have gone to shit since I left. Shape it up, Fucko.

I'm bored. I will try harder.

[Jackstar]

I'm bored. I will try harder.

There is no try, Lucille.



I bet the U.S. Military "tried" to find flight MH370, too! Oh, the list of trials in recent memory goes on, that it does!!!

[Jackstar]

Cunt beaver bitches small dicks on a slice of raisin bread.

That shit makes as much sense and matters as much as the crap you loons spend all day fighting about in here.

What is your present awareness level of the fluoride and the rogue geoengineeering? Would you like to subscribe to my zine? You have five points available from your participation in Quizpop... you might be surprised at what those five points can buy you.

The world is your oyster. Unlike the actual oysters. Hey-o! /killshot

[pate]

I propose a more sensible system based on merit and real American values: 
1. A regressive tax schedule with no deductions for anything...the less they earn, the more the lazy parasitic shits should pay.
2. 50% of all Federal taxes collected on earned income shall be paid directly to our glorious job creators; like Walmart shareholders, who will pay no tax whatsoever for anything. 
3. The wealthy; with no earned income; will be paid a progressive patriotic gratitude commission from the public larder based on how much property they've amassed, with a 50% bonus for inherited wealth.

Now what tax system could be more American that?

Why not leave things basically the same as they are now, only anyone with a Federal job doesn't file with the IRS.  We take whatever the current salary is and deduct from that the standard EZ1040 single deduction, deduct from that salary whatever the current regressive tax-scale says it should be and make that the new base salary for all Federal jobs of that type.  No more writing off your house interest tax-loophole, claiming dependents loophole etc.

My scheme would only affect Federal job holders, and Federal office holders.  I think it would signifigantly lower their pay (they still have to pay State & local taxes and cannot write that off on Federal taxes loophole) & make having a Federal job pretty undesirable.

That sounds pretty American to me.  Oh, take the Federal pension holders and subject their income to the same tax requirements (lowers pensions! another big govt money waster!)

[PB the Deplorable]

You didn't mention who "they" is. It's the Slavs, isn't it? Tell me it's the Slavs.

'They' would be the people always talking about 'taxing the rich'.  Obviously.

[Quick Karl]

There is no try, Lucille.



I bet the U.S. Military "tried" to find flight MH370, too! Oh, the list of trials in recent memory goes on, that it does!!!

I will do better!

[bateman]

Well isn't this interesting.

http://blogs.marketwatch.com/capitolreport/2014/07/09/lois-lerner-told-irs-colleagues-over-email-to-be-cautious-in-emails/

[Foodlion]

Well isn't this interesting.

http://blogs.marketwatch.com/capitolreport/2014/07/09/lois-lerner-told-irs-colleagues-over-email-to-be-cautious-in-emails/

All it takes is for just 1 person to come open on it, provide a witness testimony and that would be enough to see Lerner behind Federal prison. She must have them all scared shitless.

[albrecht]

All it takes is for just 1 person to come open on it, provide a witness testimony and that would be enough to see Lerner behind Federal prison. She must have them all scared shitless.

I'm sure they are all pretty scared and wish to keep their cushy jobs. I don't any will break ranks. More damage can be done to them by Obama and his minions than any Congressman or court. And we would never even need to know about it due to the secrecy rules, secret courts, government data-mining, etc. Or they could be quite easily silenced, audited, or discredited. Considering the amount of time government and other pseudo-government agencies use surfing porn and the like there is a lot of dirt they can use to "keep them in line." Even if there was a honest worker who did his job and wasn't abusing a government credit card, surfing for porn, taking excessive "sick days" for a vacation, or not filing his taxes on time (or properly.) Obama and his minions could simply assert they did so. They wouldn't even need to resort to the secret courts or a "National Security Letter" but simply plant, route through their ip address, some illegal porn on a computer. Or find one "error" in their tax filing (upon analysis almost any tax filing of any complication an error can be found. To prove it you can submit the same information to different tax attorneys and accountants and they will often come up with a different filing.)
I doubt more whistle-blowers will be "coming out", sorry for the pun considering all the Obama rumors, on the IRS issue. Too much at sake for them to tell the truth.

[Foodlion]

Too much at sake for them to tell the truth.

Yup. Just like the bankers "jumping" off the buildings to commit suicide. It's known that Government has and will turn on itself to keep it from being exposed.

[albrecht]

Yup. Just like the bankers "jumping" off the buildings to commit suicide. It's known that Government has and will turn on itself to keep it from being exposed.

It will only break in history decades later (in which case most won't care) by someone finding paperwork (or the electronic equivalent) somewhere is a dusty archive by accident or death bed confessions. Or a whistle-blower who flees to another country with enough "real data" to act as a "doomsday device" to protect him. Or someone who has no family and is either on death-bed or has some fatal disease and so "has nothing to lose." In any of those cases though the person will be labeled a traitor (if they flee the country) or "elderly with dementia etc" if old, or "bitter" or "conspiracy theorist" if the latter. With the full power of the State and the full power of the modern media we will never get to know what happened, unfortunately.

[b_dubb]

I'd like to see the IRS torn down to bare bones along with the tax code. A simple flat 10% with no loop holes.

A guy can dream.

[onan]

I'd like to see the IRS torn down to bare bones along with the tax code. A simple flat 10% with no loop holes.

A guy can dream.

I don't think anyone making 20,000 dollars or less should be taxed. At 20,001 start taxing.

[albrecht]

I'd like to see the IRS torn down to bare bones along with the tax code. A simple flat 10% with no loop holes.

A guy can dream.

Dream On, as Aerosmith might say. As I will I. I would rather a national sales tax (with, yes, maybe some basic food-stuffs and fuel subsidy for those with a very low income) because that would capture the "black economy" (criminals, "dreamers", tax-cheats, illegal aliens, those working for cash, etc) and also help encourage savings and investment. But I'd go for a "flat tax" also. Anything, almost, is better than current system.

One of the biggest thing people don't often think about is the opportunity costs, in addition to all the other costs, with our current system. Think of all the smart, or at least clever, people whose whole job is to either find loop-holes, write loop-holes, and file taxes (and come up with tax-dodging schemes.) All those attorneys, accountants, lobbyists, etc are educated and could be put to good use in other arenas that would be productive to the economy. Or made to dig ditches.