Started by Quick Karl, June 10, 2014, 04:34:29 PM
Quote from: Quick Karl on September 19, 2014, 06:52:34 PMThe civilized world has been reluctant to criticize Islam for nearly all of our lifetimes and the results should clearly be kicking everyone in their face.When a person knows their next door neighbor is beating the shit out of his wife and using his daughter as a fuck toy, is it moral to close the window so you don't hear it and mind your own business? When more like him move into your neighborhood should you just sit there and shut the fuck up?
Quote from: VtaGeezer on September 19, 2014, 06:52:55 PMSyria is a country of 23 million; to train 5K troops per year is militarily insignificant. There are about that many rebel combatants killed every month or two. It's is simply window dressing to shut up Cap'n Crunch McCain and the rest of his merry band who are horny for getting the US into the civil war in Syria and want Obama to publish the US daily tactical plan in the WSJ every morning. This bunch never learns. Most of the stuff we're seeing from the WH is kabuki to mollify the armchair generals in Congress and hysterical media motor-mouths. The intent is clearly to use air power to weaken and disorganize the ISIL butchers sufficiently for the Iraqis to roll them up and push them back into Syria and let Assad, with his Iranian support, deal with them. (If it improves Assad's position, tough shit...he's not killing Americans.) The US has done over 175 air strikes on ISIS; that means there are almost certainly American FAC eyeballs already on the ground.
Quote from: Yorkshire pud on September 20, 2014, 09:19:38 AMOkay, who woke it up?
Quote from: albrecht on September 20, 2014, 09:34:46 AMThe British, at least in the modern era, though arguably one could say that Muhammad, peace be upon him, initially woke it up. This was exacerbated by the US, following in the British and Russian tradition, finding various Muslims to support or, to fight, and with awful immigration policies that has resulted in a Fifth column in our cities and a sympathizer with the Sunni side and radical "rebels" in the White House.
Quote from: Yorkshire pud on September 20, 2014, 10:01:49 AMI should have made myself clear. I meant the author not the content.
Quote from: albrecht on September 20, 2014, 10:09:44 AMYeah, but I couldn't resist pointing out the karmic aspect. If we would've left those backwards Muslims alone in their internecine killings and ignorance and not involved them in proxy wars, relied on them to keep our defense industry afloat in hard economic times, and helped them discover how to make their lands productive for gas and oil extraction we wouldn't be dealing with the problems we have now.
Quote from: VtaGeezer on September 20, 2014, 11:07:28 AMI figured YP meant QK. I'm afraid the short run of civility in BG's political threads is over. As for your thought; it all goes back to vast sums of Western oil money flooding into the Arabian Peninsula and financing Saudi Wahhabism's rise to being the dominant evangelizing force in Muslim world. Eventually, the West will face a reckoning for its apathy in allowing a small, backward culture to hold substantial influence on its affairs by virtue of a fortunate accident of geology. The Cold War played a huge role as well; fear of the Soviets tied the Wests hands in dealing with despots for 50 years; if they played along they got left alone. Eisenhower's abandonment of our allies in the Suez Crisis was the "awakening"; Nassar showed the Arabs that they could push back.
Quote from: Quick Karl on September 20, 2014, 11:24:18 AMmaybe you should refrain from sparking a match?
Quote from: DigitalPigSnuggler on September 19, 2014, 08:42:03 PMIt's time for you to sack up and admit that this whole ISIS problem is because of you, and those who think like you.
Quote from: Quick Karl on September 20, 2014, 11:24:18 AMTell you what - next time I decide to post a thought I will submit it to you so you can tell me what I should think and how I should express it this way you wont have to be obsessed with me and your fuzzy little ears and tender brain wont have to be challenged...On second thought, I'm sure you know what I'm thinking... If you're so consumed with being civil maybe you should refrain from sparking a match?
Quote from: Georgie For President 2216 on September 20, 2014, 01:04:56 PMI think the match is sparked by any poster who would start a thread by making vague associations in order to degrade everybody who leans left, or conversely everybody who leans right, rather than considering the complexity of a given issue. Someone who begins multiple threads this way should be prepared for vehement and sustained opposition and in fact is probably searching for it. That's why I seldom post in politics. It's usually nothing but a partisan pissing match which, unfortunately, is a microcosm of what America has become.
Quote from: Georgie For President 2216 on September 20, 2014, 01:04:56 PMSomeone who begins multiple threads this way should be prepared for vehement and sustained opposition and in fact is probably searching for it.
Quote from: albrecht on September 20, 2014, 03:29:01 PMI don't think it is an American problem. Technology and globalization seem to be, rather than bringing modernity or stability, allowing every crackpot, backwards religion, disaffected youth or ethnicity,, sexual perversion, disease, or fringe political ideas to be distributed easily and worldwide- sometimes with violent consequences.
Quote from: DigitalPigSnuggler on September 20, 2014, 04:50:26 PMSo the solution from the right wing is (wait for it) suppression. Freedom of speech for everyone...who thinks like you. I am shocked beyond belief to hear this.
Quote from: DigitalPigSnuggler on September 20, 2014, 11:39:15 AMMaybe you should climb a wall of dicks mouth first. That would make everyone happy, especially you.
Quote from: Yorkshire pud on September 21, 2014, 12:44:44 AMYou spotted it too! I'd have thought the irony would have been easy to see before he posted. Apparently not.
Quote from: albrecht on September 22, 2014, 06:28:36 PMNo irony. I have never been against "free speech" or civil rights In fact it is countries like yours that limit speech (so called "hate speech" laws, elimination of grand juries and even juries for the most part, now allowing "double jeopardy" in criminal cases, and stricter libel laws providing civil remedies against speech in publishing--including with "super secret" proceedings so that the public might not even be aware of the case and the defense cannot defend themselves or plead their case in public. And now the EU is also trying to force ISPs and search engines to "delete data" so that articles or previous information already published about someone can be sanitized, changed, or deleted upon their command--- you know the rich, politicians, and evil corporations will love that!)
Quote from: VtaGeezer on September 22, 2014, 07:43:58 PMUS strikes on Raqqa, Syria (ISIL Hq) have begun tonight with US aircraft and Tomahawks. Strikes reportedly have participation from more than one Arab country.
Quote from: bateman on September 22, 2014, 07:59:15 PMFirst footage: http://youtu.be/FGVNL7Kg--c