Started by Quick Karl, June 10, 2014, 04:34:29 PM
Quote from: MV on September 14, 2014, 03:57:49 PMit certainly isn't obvious to me. ISIS has no air force and no navy. if they did, those assets would be extremely easy (and extremely specific) targets for the united states military to destroy if necessary. they are not a credible threat to the united states, and i've heard nobody make a case to explain how they are. sure, they could come over here and blow things up, but as i said before, we can mitigate that risk by 1) enforcing our borders and 2) being more selective about who gets a visa. there's no such thing as a foreign military adventure at a "reasonable" price tag. each tomahawk missile costs $1,410,000. think how many border guards could be employed with the money spent on that single missile. think how many unmanned drones could patrol the border at the cost of ten tomahawk missiles. it's just not making sense to me. if ISIS is a threat to the united states, i'm certainly willing to be schooled, but i've not seen a single person make the case. yeah, sure, i'd like to see those beheading butchers die a slow, painful death. i understand revenge. however, there's also the side of the coin that says, "if you don't want to get your head cut off slowly with a butter knife, stay the hell out of there." i think this hard and heavy clamoring for military action really ratcheted up when the beheading videos started hitting youtube, and i don't think that's a case for war. that's a case for westerners not going where they're not wanted.
Quote from: Gd5150 on September 14, 2014, 03:55:36 PM It's a shame the mainstream media and institutions of higher education not only permit but encourage the level of ignorance achieved by the left in the US. Their close minded hatred makes their opinions not only irrelevent but dangerous to the well being of the world. Educating the ignorant left is a job that never ends.
Quote from: Georgie For President 2216 on September 14, 2014, 04:01:45 PMI've never heard anyone deny that Saddam had WMD programs in the 80s and 90s, but what we have learned is that none of these programs were still in effect by the time Bush was trying to find an excuse to go to war with Iraq.The difference is that in 1998 Iraq wasn't complying with UN resolutions but by 2003 they were.
Quote from: Yorkshire pud on September 15, 2014, 12:01:43 AM... You don't know what the 'left' is...
Quote from: Yorkshire pud on September 15, 2014, 12:01:43 AM... they can't bring themselves to accept their poster boy for overseas adventures, did it with selective and fabricated evidence...
Quote from: Paper*Boy on September 15, 2014, 12:15:53 AMActually, you are the only person I've ever come across who can't place most well known historical political figures in the correct Left/Right category. Do you really think Karl Marx sat at a desk all day for decades simply developing an argument on behalf of collective farms and little else?
QuoteYour insistence that Che and Fidel and Mao and Stalin and Pol Pot and the rest were not communists is no different from Obama telling us the Islamic State is not Islamic.I'm starting to wonder if the National Organization of Women are women (actually, you may be onto something - I've wondered that for awhile). Do you have anything other than selective and fabricated evidence to prove Bush was actually lying?
Quote from: Paper*Boy on September 15, 2014, 12:15:53 AMActually, you are the only person I've ever come across who can't place most well known historical political figures in the correct Left/Right category. Do you really think Karl Marx sat at a desk all day for decades simply developing an argument on behalf of collective farms and little else?Your insistence that Che and Fidel and Mao and Stalin and Pol Pot and the rest were not communists is no different from Obama telling us the Islamic State is not Islamic.I'm starting to wonder if the National Organization of Women are women (actually, you may be onto something - I've wondered that for awhile).
Quote from: NowhereInTime on August 23, 2014, 12:03:33 PM..blah..blah..blah..So, we get to the point. You, Little Hater, like Sci-Fi Author, Unquenchable Angst, Pate, Paladin 1991, and a few others I can't remember, have presented yourselves initially as "not having a dog in the fight" yet do not hesitate to conclude (like Jazmunda did, out of the blue) that it's only the lefties that do the slinging around here. Or that I am the original sinner...blah...blah...blah Pp92 ...blah...blah..
Quote from: Yorkshire pud on September 15, 2014, 12:31:33 AM... Sure. Where were the WMD's that weren't found that Colin Powell showed 'photos' of in the UN? The yellow cake that never was?. The anthrax? The 45minute attack time Tony Blair presented that swayed the unsure MP's in Parliament? Even the head of the CIA referred to it as 'That 45 minute shit'. More?
Quote from: Paper*Boy on September 15, 2014, 04:54:33 AMYes. Where is the part about George Bush knowing at the time that everything he and everyone else had been told was wrong? Are the US President and the UK PM really supposed to chuck all the intel from our sources, from our allies, and even from countries we aren't close to, and listen to a handful of people he's never heard of? Is there evidence he even knew of them and their story even reached his desk?
Quote from: Juan on September 15, 2014, 05:03:55 AMThis left-right argument is silly. They are all authoritarian and looking to loot us all in favor of their buddies.As for Saddam, he had violated 19 UN resolutions. Back then, that meant something, though no one seems to pay the UN any attention now.
Quote from: Yorkshire pud on September 15, 2014, 06:26:31 AMIsrael has violated International law and UN resolutions for years; when are they going to be attacked by NATO? Saudi Arabia has a terrible human rights record, when will they be attacked?
Quote from: bateman on September 16, 2014, 11:23:56 AMHello mission creep! Nice to see you again.http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/09/17/world/middleeast/isis-airstrikes-united-states-coalition.html?_r=0&referrer=
Quote from: FightTheFuture on September 16, 2014, 12:03:53 PMIt needs to forego the creep and start sprinting. We should have had 10-15k troops on the ground a month ago. IMHO.
Quote from: albrecht on September 16, 2014, 01:59:30 PMSo they shot down a Syrian aircraft today (not sure how high it was flying or what weaponry was used as article just said "anti-aircraft".) But it would appear that ISIS/ISIL/SI does have some decent weapons which complicates things. Also I am very wary of Obama's plan to arm rebels. He tried that before and, along with captured weapons from Iraq, now those weapons are in the hands of ISIS/ISIL/SI. The supposed "rebels" Obama supports arming even signed some kind of agreement with ISIS/ISIL/SI. [Can't we make weapons that can be sabotaged or rendered useless if they fall into the wrong hands? Everything seems to have a microchip these days; just insert some line of code saying "destroy" or that must be updated every year or something?]
Quote from: Uncle Duke on September 16, 2014, 01:28:32 PMDon't know about the number, but it will take properly supported, professional ground forces to destroy IS. Up to this point IS has fought as a conventional force, not an insurgency. A lightly armed but highly mobile force backed by unchallenged airpower could act as the hammer to drive them to an anvil, like the Turkish border.
Quote from: Rudolf Zlabinger on September 17, 2014, 02:52:15 AMDear Faustina,ISIS itself is being destroyed now as an organization, and the members will be probably killed, as they are captured. .......So lets close this horrible story of ISIS, lets forget them and lets hope, that we soon can remove the roots of these terroristic histories.
Quote from: Faustina on September 16, 2014, 10:52:15 PMI listened to that first guest on c2c last night, and he got me all spooked out that ISIS will be here in America, doing "bad stuff" to Americans on their own soil, within two months. He sounded quite sure about this, and said that, so far they have done everything they threatened to do, and this was one of the threats: that they would be here on U.S. soil within two months.http://www.coasttocoastam.com/show/2014/09/15"In the first half of the program, history professor William R. Forstchen discussed his analysis of ISIS and detailed the level of terror it could bring to the US heartland. "My great concern is that everything that ISIS has promised they would do, they've done," he lamented of the terrorist group's frightening rise to power. Forstchen also expressed concern that recent CIA estimates suggest that ISIS has grown from 5,000 to over 30,000 members in just a few months. Additionally, he observed that ISIS now also includes thousands of Europeans and hundreds of Americans who have traveled to the Middle East to train with the group. These militants are particularly worrisome, he said, because they can return to their native Western countries and easily blend into the population until the time to strike arrives.Forstchen theorized that, should ISIS attack America, it will be through a series of strikes against "soft targets," specifically schools in suburban and rural areas. Following that, he postulated that shootings along highways would begin sometime shortly thereafter as panicked parents are rushing to schools to evacuate their children. Such a disconcerting and multifaceted attack, he said, would cripple the American economy and possibly create a Constitutional crisis as the population demands action against this insurgency within the country. On when such an event may unfold, Forstchen chillingly surmised that the terrorists are already within the United States and are simply waiting for a signal to commence some kind of coordinated attack."I've also heard that members of ISIS have been spotted on the Texas border near El Paso.Scary stuff.
Quote from: Uncle Duke on September 17, 2014, 10:25:20 AMHaven't listened to this show yet, but the threat of terror attacks against US schools is one that has been around for a number of years. Before I retired I got to attend an unclassified briefing on the 2004 terror attack on Breslan (Russia) school by Chechen Muslims. The analysis part of the brief included a rundown of a series of suspicious incidents across the US dealing with foreign nationals and schools/school buses. The most chilling involved a middle school in the midwest that agreed to allow the use of their gym for what what supposedly a Saturday basketball tournament sponsored by the local Boy Scouts. Long story short, a school maintenance man happened to show up at the school at the time of the tournament to find no basketball, but dozen or so men and women (in hajabs) of Middle Eastern heritage in various locations throughout the school with video cameras, tape measures, and detailed notes/sketches of the building. When challenged, they claimed they were simply checking out the school for friends who would soon be moving into the area. They claimed no knowledge of any basketball tournament, saying they entered the building after finding it unlocked. The police were called, but they had cleared out before the cops arrived. The phone and fax numbers used to request access to the school were found to be disconnected, the address given to be fraudulent, and the local Boy Scouts had never heard of the man who made the arrangements.A disturbing aspect of this threat is the number of school districts that refuse to allow local, state, and federal authorities access to their buildings to train for hostage rescue scenarios. Reasons for not granting access ranged from not wanting to scare the locals to a zero tolerance of firearms in school buildings. One school administrator ever went so far as to tell authorities their schools faced no threat because guns were not permitted in their buildings.
Quote from: albrecht on September 17, 2014, 10:39:45 AM1) scary. But in a relatively free society it is very hard to prevent crazy people and terrorists from attacks on "soft targets." While certain safeguards and changes are logical a more important priority should be keeping the bad guys out (secure border, less immigration from suspect countries, better monitoring of those on VISAs, and actually using our suveillence grid- if we are datamining and recording everyonw how come we miss Boston bombers? But find the teen who downloaded a movie?)2) I always wondered what kind of gas Russia used in Beslan? I know it killed some innocents but something like a gas seems to me to be a good option. Something that knocks out everyone. Or (more expensive) even a fire control system that floods room with CO2 (everyone would passout but if O2 was administered to the victims fast maybe no damage done.?)